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Nick……….CO”s Will is influenced will so is yours. There is not Such thing as Free Choice it all influenced Choices we make. Wether that influence is of the world or God's Spirit it is still influence. ” For (ALL) thats in the world, the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes are (FROM THE WORLD). But we are influenced By God and therefore we chose from those influences. “For God works in us to (BOTH) WILL and do His good pleasure. None of this is FREE Choice or FREE WILL. But influenced Wills ,and (GRACE) is defined as (GOD”S INFLUENCING) ON THE HEART. WE are Caused to do right by the effectual working of GOD'S Spirit. Not of our works lest any should boast. Why are you reluctant to believe that Nick, do you think possible you are aiding in you salvation, like maybe a joint work of some kind. If so which part is yours and which part is God's saving work?
Peace to you ………………gene
GB,
If anyone chooses to accept false teaching such as universalism then they should not expect to be directed into the truth. We live or die by our choices.Nick.
I couldn't save myself as you did. But I believe scripture, and have been saved “by the Grace of God”. Phil.2:13 … for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight. I thank God for His 'Grace”, for unlike you, I could do nothing to save myself.Blessings.
CO,
If you are saved then why not cling to the teachings of Jesus instead of rejecting them in favour of new gospels?CO,
Good on you.
Yes Jesus preached to and taught the Jews
But the gospel of Jesus Christ lives on as heaven and earth have yet to pass.Chopping and dicing the word of truth is not good for you.
CO,
Where did he say others must not learn from his words?
Where did he say his words are poison to the nations?Indeed his words are spirit and life.
Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 13 2008,12:16) Nick.
Because Jesus teaching was to the Jews only, see Matt.15:24. I was saved by “Grace”.
CO,
Actually this is what he said
Mt 15
24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Nothing there about his teachings being only for the Jews is there?
CO,
And he said
Jn3
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
hmmm.
No exclusivity towards Jews shown there either.
I think you have been sadly deceived so not a good idea to rebuke others.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 13 2008,11:38) GB,
If anyone chooses to accept false teaching such as universalism then they should not expect to be directed into the truth. We live or die by our choices.
Nick…..there you go labeling again. I don't believe in universalism because it some kind of Doctrine, i never even considered it as such, I have given you many scriptures backing up the position that God is the Savior of (ALL) men. I never said it would be a cake walk, we (ALL) will be saved By (FIRE) intense Judgments. GOD will burn the Dross of (ALL) of Us and cleanse us from all sin.Your statement of “we live or die by our choices” shows you position on your Salvation, and is incorrect. On the one hand you say we should not rely on (OUR) own understanding , then you turn around and say we are saved by our own choices, can't you see the contradiction in that. Either your salvation is a work of GOD or your work by your own falsely called free choices. Can't you see all the scriptures you are going against with that position and mind set?. WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE ONLY (God's influencing in the heart) and that not of OURSELVES, it is a GIFT from GOD. You need to stop reducing the ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD over salvation.
love to you and yours…………..gene
Nick…….show us (ONE) Scripture in the new testament, where it says God has left man salvation up to man, or man lives or dies according to (HIS FREE Choices).
Doesn't it say ” not by power or by might, but by MY SPIRIT saith the eternal”. And didn't Jesus say no man can come unto me except the Father draw Him. Where is So-called “free will” in that. The problem with this whole thing is understanding what TRUE (SOVEREIGNTY) is. ONE GOD (IS) SOVEREIGN in (ALL) things. “For GOD does (ALL THINGS) after the council of HIS OWN WILL”. I know it humbling to think that your salvation is out of your hands and you have (NOTHING) to contribute to it, but it also bring peace when we trust in GOD (ALONE as our SAVIOR).
love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
GB,
God will not force you to follow the truth.
You may choose to be deceived as many do.All creation awaits the revelation of those who have been led by the Spirit.
Nick…….real truth carries its own conviction, if God's spirit is in you it will (CONVICT and CONVINCE) YOU of the TRUTH. Isn't that why is CALLED THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, notice it not called the fruit of if (you chose to or not). Do you understand when GOD moves on a person they literially become a (NEW CREATION). Not a SELF made right person but a GOD made right person. You seem unable to get your hands out of your salvation , so what part is your work and what part is God's work, please explain it to us Nick what portion is your works?
How SOVEREIGN is GOD (REALLY) in your salvation work. Does He have to share some of His work of salvation with YOU? Because of your wise and unmotivated (FREE CHOICES), that you find somewhere within yourself without (ANY) influence whatsoever. Study more on what Paul said and Jesus said and i think you can easily see you error in your theology.
peace…………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 14 2008,05:10) GB,
God forces nobody to be saved.
God wants our choice involved.
Grace is never compulsion
Nick….. you now introduce a new word into our conversation the word (FORCE), GOD doesn't force anything He Simply CREATES IT NEW. “for we are (CREATED) unto good WORKS. Nick your losing site of the fact your the CLAY and the POTTER , does not ask you the CLAY for Your PERMISSION, He's the potter not you. Get the SELF out of your way, your works are about nothing , and let the SPIRIT DO THE WORK IN YOU>God's Spirit produces God's ways in our heart and minds, and we then act it out in our lives. The self centered carnal mind must go. You can not save yourself by your own choices you will fail. God produces the Choices by His Spirit in Us. Jesus said he could do (NOTHING) of himself , and went on to say the FATHER (IN) ME He do the the works.You say “GOD want our choices involved”, where is that written at< God works in his choices in us by his GRACE (God's influencing in our hearts and mind to make His choices, He recreates us into new beings, with new hearts and minds, (HE) cleanses us from (ALL) unrighteousness. It's His work alone not our works.
You say “GRACE is never compulsion” , Grace most certainly is a compulsion it compels us through influencing in our hearts to do GOD”S WILL.
Peace……………..gene
GB,
You must allow yourself to be led by the Spirit.
This will be according to the Word and not thoughts of scientists and philosophers.By such are the sons of God known.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 14 2008,11:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 14 2008,05:10) GB,
God forces nobody to be saved.
God wants our choice involved.
Grace is never compulsion
Nick….. you now introduce a new word into our conversation the word (FORCE), GOD doesn't force anything He Simply CREATES IT NEW. “for we are (CREATED) unto good WORKS. Nick your losing site of the fact your the CLAY and the POTTER , does not ask you the CLAY for Your PERMISSION, He's the potter not you. Get the SELF out of your way, your works are about nothing , and let the SPIRIT DO THE WORK IN YOU>God's Spirit produces God's ways in our heart and minds, and we then act it out in our lives. The self centered carnal mind must go. You can not save yourself by your own choices you will fail. God produces the Choices by His Spirit in Us. Jesus said he could do (NOTHING) of himself , and went on to say the FATHER (IN) ME He do the the works.You say “GOD want our choices involved”, where is that written at< God works in his choices in us by his GRACE (God's influencing in our hearts and mind to make His choices, He recreates us into new beings, with new hearts and minds, (HE) cleanses us from (ALL) unrighteousness. It's His work alone not our works.
You say “GRACE is never compulsion” , Grace most certainly is a compulsion it compels us through influencing in our hearts to do GOD”S WILL.
Peace……………..gene
GB,
You can choose to have your pottery cleaned up for divine use.2Tim2
20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
Or you can choose not to.
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