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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2008,07:56) Hi CO,
All are not naturally in the Body of Christ.Christ is not again made one with sin.
That brought his suffering and death.We do not join Christ with Belial or with whores
1Cor10
16The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
18Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
19What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
22Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
1 Corinthians 6:16
Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, ” THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.”
Nick.
Is this supposed to be relevent to something I said?Hi CO,
“17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may be giving you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the realization of Him,
18 the eyes of your heart having been enlightened, for you to perceive what is the expectation of His calling, and what the riches of the glory of the enjoyment of His allotment among the saints,”
Jesus will be LORD of all.
He is appointed Lord of all.But as for NOW he is lord only of those reborn into him.
Many will call him lord but he will not know them .This letter you quote is not written to the heathen as a gospel but is the teachings of Jesus to the church by Jesus in Paul.
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 29 2008,13:09) Hi 942767.
You said: From the above I want to focus on your statement: “This is saying that when we heard the word of truth (our salvation) we were sealed with the “holy spirit”.
It is saying when we heard the truth and believed and trusted in the truth, not just simply “when we heard the truth”.You neglected to read verse 14 and my explanation, this explains verse 13 in correct context. I will copy it again.
Verse 13: In Whom you also — on hearing the word of truth, the evangel of your salvation — in Whom on believing also, you are sealed with the holy spirit of promise
14 (which is an earnest of the enjoyment of our allotment, to the deliverance of that which has been procured) for the laud of His glory!
This is saying that when we heard the word of truth (our salvation) we were sealed with the “holy spirit”. I took the liberty of adding verse 14, which, in context, explains futher verse 13….of “our allotment”, which means we were alloted (prechosen) for salvation, for “the laud of HIS GLORY. Again, nothing we had a hand in. This was for “HIS” glory.
This should clear things up.The quote you used, Jn.6:64-65, is to Israel. The four gospels were a continuation of the old testament, the arrival of “Jesus”, was the promised “Messiah”. His teachings were to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt.15:24). They were still under the 'law', and the 'old covenant'. Their entry into the 'kingdom', the promised land', was dependant on obedience to the 'law'. Quoting scripture from that era, as applying to this era, we being under “Grace”, not under the 'law', makes no sense.
Blessings.
OK CO:Tell me how does a person get saved?
Ro.15:8 …For I am saying that Christ has become the Servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises…
Ro.15:16 …for me (Paul) to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God, that the approach present of the nations may be becoming well received, having been hallowed by holy spirit
Blessings.
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 29 2008,13:36) Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 29 2008,13:09) Hi 942767.
You said: From the above I want to focus on your statement: “This is saying that when we heard the word of truth (our salvation) we were sealed with the “holy spirit”.
It is saying when we heard the truth and believed and trusted in the truth, not just simply “when we heard the truth”.You neglected to read verse 14 and my explanation, this explains verse 13 in correct context. I will copy it again.
Verse 13: In Whom you also — on hearing the word of truth, the evangel of your salvation — in Whom on believing also, you are sealed with the holy spirit of promise
14 (which is an earnest of the enjoyment of our allotment, to the deliverance of that which has been procured) for the laud of His glory!
This is saying that when we heard the word of truth (our salvation) we were sealed with the “holy spirit”. I took the liberty of adding verse 14, which, in context, explains futher verse 13….of “our allotment”, which means we were alloted (prechosen) for salvation, for “the laud of HIS GLORY. Again, nothing we had a hand in. This was for “HIS” glory.
This should clear things up.The quote you used, Jn.6:64-65, is to Israel. The four gospels were a continuation of the old testament, the arrival of “Jesus”, was the promised “Messiah”. His teachings were to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt.15:24). They were still under the 'law', and the 'old covenant'. Their entry into the 'kingdom', the promised land', was dependant on obedience to the 'law'. Quoting scripture from that era, as applying to this era, we being under “Grace”, not under the 'law', makes no sense.
Blessings.
OK CO:Tell me how does a person get saved?
Hi 9427671Tim.4:9-11 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.There are more scriptures, but this will do for now.
Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 29 2008,17:07) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 29 2008,13:36) Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 29 2008,13:09) Hi 942767.
You said: From the above I want to focus on your statement: “This is saying that when we heard the word of truth (our salvation) we were sealed with the “holy spirit”.
It is saying when we heard the truth and believed and trusted in the truth, not just simply “when we heard the truth”.You neglected to read verse 14 and my explanation, this explains verse 13 in correct context. I will copy it again.
Verse 13: In Whom you also — on hearing the word of truth, the evangel of your salvation — in Whom on believing also, you are sealed with the holy spirit of promise
14 (which is an earnest of the enjoyment of our allotment, to the deliverance of that which has been procured) for the laud of His glory!
This is saying that when we heard the word of truth (our salvation) we were sealed with the “holy spirit”. I took the liberty of adding verse 14, which, in context, explains futher verse 13….of “our allotment”, which means we were alloted (prechosen) for salvation, for “the laud of HIS GLORY. Again, nothing we had a hand in. This was for “HIS” glory.
This should clear things up.The quote you used, Jn.6:64-65, is to Israel. The four gospels were a continuation of the old testament, the arrival of “Jesus”, was the promised “Messiah”. His teachings were to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt.15:24). They were still under the 'law', and the 'old covenant'. Their entry into the 'kingdom', the promised land', was dependant on obedience to the 'law'. Quoting scripture from that era, as applying to this era, we being under “Grace”, not under the 'law', makes no sense.
Blessings.
OK CO:Tell me how does a person get saved?
Hi 9427671Tim.4:9-11 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.There are more scriptures, but this will do for now.
Blessings.
Hi CO:Please share the rest of the scriptures with me. This scripture states that he is the saviour of all mankind, specially those who believe.
Again, “specially those who believe” in this scripture. Do we have to believe to be saved? Do we have to repent to be saved? A simple answer yes or no from you on these questions will do.
God Bless
Hi 942767.
Here are some scriptures you asked for:Ro.14:11 …for it is written: Living am I, the Lord is saying, For to Me shall bow every knee, And every tongue shall be acclaiming God!
Phil.2:11 … and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father.
Ro.5:18 … Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
Ro.15:22 … For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
2.Cor.5:19 … how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
I'm sorry that I am kind of rushed at the moment, and haven't had much time for further reshearch, hope these will suffice for now.
You say … Do we have to believe to be saved? Yes! (Eph.2:8-9) For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.Also… Do we have to repent to be saved? No! What did Christ die for? (2.Cor.5:19) how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
Blessings, Jerry.
Hi Co,
So just adapted words of a servant of Christ written to those in Christ?
The words of the Master and Lord cannot be found to substantiate your theory?Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 30 2008,08:58) Hi 942767.
Here are some scriptures you asked for:Ro.14:11 …for it is written: Living am I, the Lord is saying, For to Me shall bow every knee, And every tongue shall be acclaiming God!
Phil.2:11 … and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father.
Ro.5:18 … Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
Ro.15:22 … For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
2.Cor.5:19 … how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
I'm sorry that I am kind of rushed at the moment, and haven't had much time for further reshearch, hope these will suffice for now.
You say … Do we have to believe to be saved? Yes! (Eph.2:8-9) For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.Also… Do we have to repent to be saved? No! What did Christ die for? (2.Cor.5:19) how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
Blessings, Jerry.
Hi CO:You got one out of the two questions right. We do have to believe to be saved. However, believing is not just a mental assent. Do we as Christians have to obey the commandments that have come from God to humanity through the Lord Jesus?
Does the following scripture apply to us or just to the Jews?
Quote Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 ¶ And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.Or what about the following scripture:
Quote Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. God Bless
942747…..Your infuses on Us doing our own changing , is wrong, WE ARE (CREATED) UNTO GOOD WORKS. We are (NOT) the CREATOR the does that, that is GOD the FATHER who (DOES) THAT. that is why He is the SAVIOR OF ALL, because HE ALONE is the ONLY ONE WHO CAN CAUSE US TO CHANGE , no one else can not even ourselves. Its impossible for us to change ourselves, “for I will take out of them the stony heart and give them a heart of flesh, and (I) will write my laws in there inward parts. Can you do that, NO you can't. WE are (CREATED) unto good works. CREATED the only creator i know of is GOD.
peace …………..gene
GB,
You quote
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.Who is the WE spoken of here?
Eph1
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:Seems to just include the saints?
Would you apply that to all men?
By whose authority?
Hi 942767.
Here is an explanation of Acts.2:36-40 from “that source”, I think you know the one.
34 The whole passage shows that Peter is proclaiming a literal king and a literal kingdom for Israel. The descent of the spirit had nothing to do with the formation of the body of Christ, but was a well known sign which indicated the approach of the judgment era which precedes Messiah's advent. In accordance with the burden of his message Peter chooses to bring before them king David and the covenant God made with him, because, if they accept his words, it is this covenant which would be fulfilled. They had crucified Him as the King of Israel. His resurrection proves Him to be the One Whom David foretold. All that remains to be done, should Israel, as a nation, repent, would be the judging of His enemies. This will occur in the judgment era. Here is no hint of, or preparation for, the present interval of undiluted grace, in which God is raising up His enemies, like Saul of Tarsus, to sit with Christ on His celestial throne.
38 Repentance and baptism lead to a probationary pardon, which may be withdrawn. This pardon is extended by Christ as the King. Its operation is illustrated by the parable of the ten thousand talent debtor (see Mt.18:27-34) whose debt was remitted, but who refused to remit the smaller sum which his fellow slave owed to him. Hence the remission of his debt was canceled. So it is with Israel in this chronicle. Many of those who, in the beginning, received the pardon of their sins, refused to share their pardon with the other nations, objecting to proselytes like Cornelius, raising a riot on the supposition that an alien has entered the sanctuary, seeking to kill Paul even though he brought alms to Jerusalem. They finally fall away (Heb.6:6, 10:27) where there is no longer any room for repentance, but a fearful prospect of judgment. This pardon, however, is in sharp contrast to our justification, or acquittal, which comes from the Judge on the sole grounds of grace and faith, and from which there can be no fall, as it places us beyond the sphere of judgment. Conciliation (Ro.5:11) is immeasurably beyond any pardon, as it places us in the unclouded favor of God's grace.
39 The promise was to Israel both in the land and in the dispersion (Dan.9:7). Those “afar” were Jews in the lands where God had driven them, and not Gentiles or the church.
40 The salvation was from the judgments about to visit that crooked generation.
Does this answer your question?
Blessings.
Hi CO,
Cut out these middlemen.
Jesus wants to talk to you personally.
He has a message about eternal life in the kingdom of GodNick….I am talking about the converted, the ones God is dealing with, not everyone , they will have there chance in the second resurrection when GOD will, open their eyes as He has those He is calling now. I thought you understood that, because i say All will be saved does not mean i am inlying that they now are. They ultimately will. Yet as by FIRE, the same as we are being saved and going through fiery trials now, for Judgment begin at the House of GOD. And if we are scarsely saved where will the ungodly appear, they will have to go through a much more intense judgement, but they will all be saved. IMO
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 30 2008,13:44) Hi 942767. Here is an explanation of Acts.2:36-40 from “that source”, I think you know the one.
34 The whole passage shows that Peter is proclaiming a literal king and a literal kingdom for Israel. The descent of the spirit had nothing to do with the formation of the body of Christ, but was a well known sign which indicated the approach of the judgment era which precedes Messiah's advent. In accordance with the burden of his message Peter chooses to bring before them king David and the covenant God made with him, because, if they accept his words, it is this covenant which would be fulfilled. They had crucified Him as the King of Israel. His resurrection proves Him to be the One Whom David foretold. All that remains to be done, should Israel, as a nation, repent, would be the judging of His enemies. This will occur in the judgment era. Here is no hint of, or preparation for, the present interval of undiluted grace, in which God is raising up His enemies, like Saul of Tarsus, to sit with Christ on His celestial throne.
38 Repentance and baptism lead to a probationary pardon, which may be withdrawn. This pardon is extended by Christ as the King. Its operation is illustrated by the parable of the ten thousand talent debtor (see Mt.18:27-34) whose debt was remitted, but who refused to remit the smaller sum which his fellow slave owed to him. Hence the remission of his debt was canceled. So it is with Israel in this chronicle. Many of those who, in the beginning, received the pardon of their sins, refused to share their pardon with the other nations, objecting to proselytes like Cornelius, raising a riot on the supposition that an alien has entered the sanctuary, seeking to kill Paul even though he brought alms to Jerusalem. They finally fall away (Heb.6:6, 10:27) where there is no longer any room for repentance, but a fearful prospect of judgment. This pardon, however, is in sharp contrast to our justification, or acquittal, which comes from the Judge on the sole grounds of grace and faith, and from which there can be no fall, as it places us beyond the sphere of judgment. Conciliation (Ro.5:11) is immeasurably beyond any pardon, as it places us in the unclouded favor of God's grace.
39 The promise was to Israel both in the land and in the dispersion (Dan.9:7). Those “afar” were Jews in the lands where God had driven them, and not Gentiles or the church.
40 The salvation was from the judgments about to visit that crooked generation.
Does this answer your question?
Blessings.
No it doesn't. Do we who are of the gentile nations need to repent in order to be saved. I am not asking you what somebody else thinks. I am asking you what you say.What does the following scripture say?
Quote Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. This says (then) to the gentiles, “THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT AND TURN TO GOD, AND DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE”.
This is from the bible CO I did not interpret what it said. I just posted the scripture.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 30 2008,12:04) 942747…..Your infuses on Us doing our own changing , is wrong, WE ARE (CREATED) UNTO GOOD WORKS. We are (NOT) the CREATOR the does that, that is GOD the FATHER who (DOES) THAT. that is why He is the SAVIOR OF ALL, because HE ALONE is the ONLY ONE WHO CAN CAUSE US TO CHANGE , no one else can not even ourselves. Its impossible for us to change ourselves, “for I will take out of them the stony heart and give them a heart of flesh, and (I) will write my laws in there inward parts. Can you do that, NO you can't. WE are (CREATED) unto good works. CREATED the only creator i know of is GOD. peace …………..gene
Hi Gene:God is my Father and He leads me into all truths. It is up to me to apply what He teaches me. And so, yes he does change me with my cooperation.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2008,07:20) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 28 2008,01:53) Quote (gollamudi @ Sep. 27 2008,21:29) So he is not the savior of the world before him ? Then how could God reconcilled whole world towards Him in Jesus ?
Hi Adam:He is the saviour of all mankind in that he is the propitiation for sins all of those who were obeying God prior to his advent on earth and also, for the sins of those who come to God through him in the NT era.
God Bless
HI GM,
In your opinion doesTHE WORLD
include
THE DEAD?
Yes brother Nick,
It should be, otherwise how about Abraham and others who believed God will be saved if Jesus alone is the savior of all ?Quote (942767 @ Sep. 30 2008,15:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 30 2008,12:04) 942747…..Your infuses on Us doing our own changing , is wrong, WE ARE (CREATED) UNTO GOOD WORKS. We are (NOT) the CREATOR the does that, that is GOD the FATHER who (DOES) THAT. that is why He is the SAVIOR OF ALL, because HE ALONE is the ONLY ONE WHO CAN CAUSE US TO CHANGE , no one else can not even ourselves. Its impossible for us to change ourselves, “for I will take out of them the stony heart and give them a heart of flesh, and (I) will write my laws in there inward parts. Can you do that, NO you can't. WE are (CREATED) unto good works. CREATED the only creator i know of is GOD. peace …………..gene
Hi Gene:God is my Father and He leads me into all truths. It is up to me to apply what He teaches me. And so, yes he does change me with my cooperation.
942767…..I think it might be more accurate to say God Changes you mind to cooperate. God doesn't save us because we consent to it or not. He Saves us despite ourselves,. Many so -called “Christians” want to think they play a part in their salvation through there so-called “FREE WILL” choices, by this they deny the absoluteness of GOD, in all things. Salvation is not our option it's GOD's option PERIOD. We (ARE) the clay He (IS) the potter, and the potter does with the clay what ever He doesn't ask the (CLAY”S) permission. Remember we are (CREATED) unto righteousness. Do we give consent to create to the creator? IMO
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