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Quote (david @ Aug. 20 2008,16:48) Quote For I am Saved BY GRACE and that NOT of MYSELF, and i will never have room to boast the Father has made sure of that. Of course, a persons salvation is unmerited, undeserved, and only by the undeserved kindness or grace of God. We cannot save ourselves.
But this does not mean effort is not required on our part. Over and over, we're told that we must do things like go down the narrow road, push hard to get through the narrow gate, exert ourselves, put forth effort.
And we have the free will to decide whether or how badly we want to exert ourselves.
David ….It doesn't say we are to push to get through it you added that to show it your work that is saving you. But scripture simply says few there be that ( FIND IT) Jesus said ” who soever overcomes even as (I HAVE). Now ask yourself how did He overcome was it BY His WILL forcing Him to overcame or By His Faith in GOD that gave Him the victory, He said He could do (NOTHING) of himself in fact scripture shows He put his will to death. It was God the FATHER ALONE the saved Jesus and it is GOD ALONE that will save us also. That is what is meant by (even as I have).peace brother…………gene
In all His creation, 'He is visible through His creation as per Rom 1' so what do you mean by that ?
Hi GM,
Who are the ALL in this verse?Mark 9:35
And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.All men or all the sons of God?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 25 2008,08:03) Hi,
The will of God for those to be saved relates to their response to His Son.
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Nick…….Jesus also said (NO MAN) can come unto me except the FATHER DRAW HIM. So much for you mans will then right. For we are saved BY GRACE and that (NOT) of OURSELVES it (IS) a GIFT OF GOD>not of works least ANY ONE SHOULD BOAST.PEACE …………gene
Hi GB,
It applies to all who should not draw presumptuous conclusions.
Not all who are offered the grace to grow and be useful for God actually do so.
Some are shrivelled up by the heat of the sun or have their dwelling destroyed by testing fire.
We must all walk and continue to take up our cross daily and work out our salvtion in fear and trembling.How much is of us?
God’s CHOSEN ONES!
“What, then, shall we declare to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? Surely, He Who spares not His own Son, but gives Him up for us all, how shall He not, together with Him, be graciously granting us all? Who will be indicting God’s chosen ones? God, the justifier? Who is the Condemner? Christ Jesus, the One dying, yet rather being roused, Who is also at God’s right hand, Who is pleading also for our sakes?” (Rom.8:31-34).
In choosing us, God has acted neither as a rewarder nor arbitrarily. Instead, in His grace, He chose us. It is what He preferred to do. Others may be better or worse than ourselves, but we are those whom God has chosen. As the dictate of His wisdom, and in accord with His purpose, He chose each one of us. He has not revealed why He selected us instead of others to be members of Christ’s body. But we know that He has done so and that this was the best decision that could have been made, for it was His decision.
“Now we ought to be thanking God always concerning you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, seeing that God prefers you from the beginning for salvation, in holiness of the spirit and faith in the truth, into which He also calls us through our evangel, for the procuring of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ” (2 Thess.2: 13,14). We will never fulfill this duty until we believe that God has indeed thus preferred us. God’s purpose cannot fail, and His purpose in preferring us from the beginning and calling us into salvation is to procure the glory of Christ our Saviour.
When we enter into a settled conviction concerning these things, we will be shocked that we ever wanted to limit God’s foreknowledge or mix His grace up with our responsibility. Finally, therefore, the fact that we were foreknown and chosen of God, apart from anything in ourselves, will become to us one of the most precious revelations of all the Scriptures.Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 03 2008,17:06) How much is of us? God’s CHOSEN ONES!
“What, then, shall we declare to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? Surely, He Who spares not His own Son, but gives Him up for us all, how shall He not, together with Him, be graciously granting us all? Who will be indicting God’s chosen ones? God, the justifier? Who is the Condemner? Christ Jesus, the One dying, yet rather being roused, Who is also at God’s right hand, Who is pleading also for our sakes?” (Rom.8:31-34).
In choosing us, God has acted neither as a rewarder nor arbitrarily. Instead, in His grace, He chose us. It is what He preferred to do. Others may be better or worse than ourselves, but we are those whom God has chosen. As the dictate of His wisdom, and in accord with His purpose, He chose each one of us. He has not revealed why He selected us instead of others to be members of Christ’s body. But we know that He has done so and that this was the best decision that could have been made, for it was His decision.
“Now we ought to be thanking God always concerning you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, seeing that God prefers you from the beginning for salvation, in holiness of the spirit and faith in the truth, into which He also calls us through our evangel, for the procuring of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ” (2 Thess.2: 13,14). We will never fulfill this duty until we believe that God has indeed thus preferred us. God’s purpose cannot fail, and His purpose in preferring us from the beginning and calling us into salvation is to procure the glory of Christ our Saviour.
When we enter into a settled conviction concerning these things, we will be shocked that we ever wanted to limit God’s foreknowledge or mix His grace up with our responsibility. Finally, therefore, the fact that we were foreknown and chosen of God, apart from anything in ourselves, will become to us one of the most precious revelations of all the Scriptures.Blessings.
To ALL………please read and think about what Chosenone said here.Peace and love to you all………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2008,18:46) Hi GB,
Those who claim salvation now may not alwys be seen in that light by God.
A gift can be taken back?A guarentee can be lost?
A deposit from God returned?
His Spirit snatched from our hearts even though Jesus said no one could take us from that hand?
Hmmmm
Hi not3,
Do not bury your talent.
Mt25
28Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.29For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 15 2008,06:37) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2008,18:46) Hi GB,
Those who claim salvation now may not alwys be seen in that light by God.
A gift can be taken back?A guarentee can be lost?
A deposit from God returned?
His Spirit snatched from our hearts even though Jesus said no one could take us from that hand?
Hmmmm
Hi Mandy:If a person is practicing sin wilfully, is it the Holy Spirit or sin that is indwelling the person?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2008,06:40) Hi not3,
Do not bury your talent.
Mt25
28Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.29For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Again, God's ways are above our understanding.I seriously doubt God – our Father – is going to send his children out where teeth our gnashing because they didn't produce something from a gift.
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 15 2008,06:46) Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 15 2008,06:37) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2008,18:46) Hi GB,
Those who claim salvation now may not alwys be seen in that light by God.
A gift can be taken back?A guarentee can be lost?
A deposit from God returned?
His Spirit snatched from our hearts even though Jesus said no one could take us from that hand?
Hmmmm
Hi Mandy:If a person is practicing sin wilfully, is it the Holy Spirit or sin that is indwelling the person?
Paul says that it is our flesh that does the sinning because in our heart we are a slave to the Spirit.Paul never said we would go to hell for this. He said even what he wanted to do he didn't do……and the evil he didn't want to do – that he did!
Hi not3,
Can the Spirit not be quenched?
Can God not take His Spirit from us?Psalm 51:11
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.We must be LED BY the Spirit
Gal 5
16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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