Free Will?

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  • #302305
    Ed J
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    “God is not the author of confusion” (1 Cor 14:33)

    #302314
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    EDJ……….So produce one Scripture that say Man has a
    Will that is FREE (IN) Him if you can, And we can talk EdJ.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..Gene

    #302318
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 14 2012,18:24)
    EDJ……….So produce one Scripture that say Man has a
    Will that is FREE  (IN) Him if you can,  And we can talk EdJ.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..Gene


    gene

    you need to answer first this ;; are you obligated (Not forced)to worship God ,yes or NO ,

    the answer should be yes ,then what make you take that choice and not the other ???? and why some do not worship God ????

    influence is not a decision maker(only if we let it work,by given it our will) we are ..

    God as make man free ;God wants free willing loving him worshipers in truth ,

    this mean that you can lie,cheat,and inslave yourself,right ???

    #302320
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 14 2012,11:24)
    EDJ……….So produce one Scripture that say Man has a
    Will that is FREE  (IN) Him if you can,  And we can talk EdJ.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..Gene


    Hi Gene,

    The term “Free Will” is used many places in Scripture,
    but you apparently deny it's meaning.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #302384
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    EDJ the on;ly place it is mentioned is where it means a voluntary offering, an offering coming from the SELF, and there is no other place it mentioning the word “FREE WILL”, a Voluntary offing does not address the issue of us having a Will the is FREE within US, any honest person can see that EDJ.

    Why do you just gloss over all the scriptures i have posted to back up my point, why no response on them? I address yours you don't address mine. Sounds like a one sided argument if you ask me.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………gene

    #302397
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2012,01:42)
    EDJ

    Why do you just gloss over all the scriptures i have posted to back up my point, why no response on them?

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………gene


    Hi Gene,

    What scripture?
    Please post one per post
    and we will discuss all you that
    you think back up your position; OK?

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #302549
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Edj………..Here is one………God does “ALL” things after the “COUNCIL” of his WILL. Why have Council if the WILL is FREE . To be FREE is ot have “NO” INFLUENCE. BUT everything God does is INFLUENCED by the “COUNCIL” of his WILL> So what does that mean it mean God will if NOT a FREE WILL no more then OUR WILL ARE FREE of INFLUENCE or Councils either. Again you and other are confusing “liberty” with “free”. No WILL is FREE of influence and therefore it is Not FREE as you assume. The term that express a will that is free or 'FREEWILL” is an OXYMORON> NO WILL ITSELF is FREE> Think about it EdJ.

    peace and love to you and yours………………………………………….gene

    #302550
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 16 2012,07:42)
    Edj………..Here is one………God does “ALL” things after the “COUNCIL” of his WILL. Why have Council if the WILL is FREE . To be FREE is ot have “NO” INFLUENCE. BUT everything God does is INFLUENCED by the  “COUNCIL” of his WILL> So what does that mean it mean God will if NOT a FREE WILL no more then OUR WILL ARE FREE of INFLUENCE or Councils either.  Again you and other are confusing “liberty” with “free”. No WILL is FREE of influence and therefore it is Not FREE as you assume.  The term that express a will that is free or 'FREEWILL” is an OXYMORON>  NO WILL ITSELF is FREE> Think about it EdJ.

    peace and love to you and yours………………………………………….gene


    g

    DA 4:35 “ All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing,
    But He does according to His will in the host of heaven
    And among the inhabitants of earth;
    And no one can ward off His hand
    Or say to Him, ‘ What have You done?’

    JN 7:17 “ If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself.

    AC 22:14 “And he said, ‘ The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth.

    where is that scripture I can not find it ??

    #302561
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 14 2012,11:24)
    EDJ……….So produce one Scripture that say Man has a
    Will that is FREE  (IN) Him if you can,  And we can talk EdJ.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..Gene


    Hi Gene,

    Is a man not free to do as he wills?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #302562
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 16 2012,00:42)
    Edj………..Here is one………God does “ALL” things after the “COUNCIL” of his WILL. Why have Council if the WILL is FREE . To be FREE is ot have “NO” INFLUENCE. BUT everything God does is INFLUENCED by the  “COUNCIL” of his WILL> So what does that mean it mean God will if NOT a FREE WILL no more then OUR WILL ARE FREE of INFLUENCE or Councils either.  Again you and other are confusing “liberty” with “free”. No WILL is FREE of influence and therefore it is Not FREE as you assume.  The term that express a will that is free or 'FREEWILL” is an OXYMORON>  NO WILL ITSELF is FREE> Think about it EdJ.

    peace and love to you and yours………………………………………….gene


    Hi Gene, here is your answer…

    Don't we also make our decisions based (in part) on what others think?

    Next (?)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #302841
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,07:51)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 16 2012,00:42)
    Edj………..Here is one………God does “ALL” things after the “COUNCIL” of his WILL. Why have Council if the WILL is FREE . To be FREE is ot have “NO” INFLUENCE. BUT everything God does is INFLUENCED by the  “COUNCIL” of his WILL> So what does that mean it mean God will if NOT a FREE WILL no more then OUR WILL ARE FREE of INFLUENCE or Councils either.  Again you and other are confusing “liberty” with “free”. No WILL is FREE of influence and therefore it is Not FREE as you assume.  The term that express a will that is free or 'FREEWILL” is an OXYMORON>  NO WILL ITSELF is FREE> Think about it EdJ.

    peace and love to you and yours………………………………………….gene


    Hi Gene, here is your answer…

    Don't we also make our decisions based (in part) on what others think?

    Next (?)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ……..You have answered the question is our WILL REALLY FREE? , no they work of of (INFLUENCES) So of theres and our own SO they ARE NOT FREE themselves now are they?

    I would like to see ONE Scripture that Say a MAN HAS A WILL THAT IS FREE “IN” HIM. Just one WILL Do and this argument will be over brother. I have showed you were Will are council-led and you have even just now admitted that. so that would Preclude any such thing as a (SO-CALLED) “FREEWILL” now would it not?.

    EDJ you and Pierre are confusing a WILL the has liberty given by God to express itself, with the Will (ITSELF) being FREE. Cant you see that brother?.

    There are no scriptures that say a Man have a FREEWILL (IN) HIM . Men want to say they have freewill to make their salvation ther own Choice which give them the power to save themselves it is nothing but a “I GOD” , (I )am the one who saved Me ,(I) am the one who made the right Choice, (I) make “my own” decisions based on “my own” desires and WILL. These EGOTISTIC behaviors are from the SELF and Not from GOD or HIS WILL. IMO

    Our Salvation is based on God own action on HIS OWN without any Help from US,
    it is by grace we are saved not by works, lest any should “BOAST” as many SELF righteous people do by saying it was their own so called “FREEWILL” that chose salvation on their own.

    Salvation is a GIFT from GOD it is NOT a “SELF WILLED” CHOICE of a MAN> Even the Disciples did not Chose themselves according to Jesus.

    peace and Love to you and yours………………………………gene

    #302842
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Pierre……..Here is the Scripture you asked about brother, Eph 1:11 …> In whom also we have obtained and inheritance, being “PREDESTINATED” according to the purposes of him who works all things after the “council” of his ” OWN WILL”

    peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………gene

    #302885
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2012,02:18)
    EDJ……..

    You have answered the question is our WILL REALLY FREE? , no they work of of (INFLUENCES)
    So of theres and our own SO they  ARE NOT FREE themselves now are they?

    peace and Love to you and yours………………………………gene


    Hi Gene,

    People having influences in their life does not preclude them from having a “Free Will”.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #302886
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2012,02:18)
    EDJ……..

    I would like to see ONE Scripture that Say a MAN HAS A WILL THAT IS FREE “IN” HIM. Just one WILL Do and this argument will be over brother.  

    peace and Love to you and yours………………………………gene


    Hi Gene,

    This can only be done through inference, which you have rejected in the past.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #302887
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2012,02:18)
    EDJ……..

    EDJ you and Pierre are confusing a WILL the has liberty given by God to express itself, with the Will (ITSELF) being FREE. Cant you see that brother?.

    peace and Love to you and yours………………………………gene


    Hi Gene,

    That is merely your 'spin', can you not see this?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #302888
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2012,02:18)
    EDJ……..

    Men want to say they have freewill to make their salvation their own Choice which give them the power to save themselves…

    peace and Love to you and yours………………………………gene


    Hi Gene,

    That is a whole separate issue.
    But it may be the core of why you will
    not budge from your belief in no “Free Will”.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #302889
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2012,02:18)
    EDJ……..

    Our Salvation is based on God own action on HIS OWN without any Help from US,

    peace and Love to you and yours………………………………gene


    Hi Gene,

    Yes

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #302890
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2012,02:18)
    EDJ……..

    it is by grace we are saved not by works, lest any should “BOAST”

    peace and Love to you and yours………………………………gene


    Hi Gene,

    Yes yes

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #304605
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2012,10:58)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2012,02:18)
    EDJ……..

    Men want to say they have freewill to make their salvation their own Choice which give them the power to save themselves…

    peace and Love to you and yours………………………………gene


    Hi Gene,

    That is a whole separate issue.
    But it may be the core of why you will
    not budge from your belief in no “Free Will”.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Gene?

    #304612
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Ed J ……….Yes it is the Core why i believe will are not FREE at all but we are held captive by them, Paul said clearly that he believed there was not good dwelling (IN)his body because to WILL was Present. I have seen this working in my own life at times and bringing me into captivity to my own desires , It is not easy to overcome ourselves and these Wiils working (IN) us . It takes God Power to break the chains of our own Wills that bind us. He must set us free from it and release its grip on us. So we can come into the Glorious liberty of the Son of God. and do (HIS) WILL not OUR WILLS. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours Ed j………………………………………………………gene

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