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Hi Wit,
Tempting God with evil will not work,
nor has it not worked with Jesus,
nor will it work with me either!עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 22 2012,02:28) James 1:13:
“…for God cannot* be tempted by evil… .“*Not “will not“, as in chooses not to be, but “can not“, as in incapable.
SpinQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 22 2012,03:29) Hi Wit, Tempting God with evil will not work,
nor has it not worked with Jesus,
nor will it work with me either!עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
EDNo one has to tempt you with evil you are evil by your own free will
All
We have the free will in the fundamental choice to do Gods will or not, the rest does not matter,
Because it does not gives you live ,it just may influence some of it,basics
Terricca………………..There exists no such thing as a will that is FREE, your confusing the word LIBERTY to EXERCISE our CAPTIVATED WILLS with those WILLS being FREE Brother. the Term Free Will is an “OXYMORON”, A Will would not even be a Will if it were free of influence and therefore becasue it is (INFLUENCED) it is not FREE>
If find there is not good in my body because to WILL is PRESENT in it says the apostle Paul
peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………………………………………..gene
Hi Gene,
You're blending TWO words into a different meaning –
adding influence into the combined meaning is foolishness on your part!
I MUST THEREFORE INFLUENCE YOU to look at the definitions of these two words separately.Free: able to act as one wishes.
Will: Intend, desire, or wish something to happen
Free will: to be able to act with the intent or desire as one wishes
Influence is not applicable in this phrase!
Influence: The capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 11 2012,08:52) Gene: you're CAPTIVATED by your own false definition!
EdjGene ,would say ,good I like it that way,I do have my own choice right ?
Yes.free will ,you have Gene ,Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2012,07:39) Terricca………………..There exists no such thing as a will that is FREE, your confusing the word LIBERTY to EXERCISE our CAPTIVATED WILLS with those WILLS being FREE Brother. the Term Free Will is an “OXYMORON”, A Will would not even be a Will if it were free of influence and therefore becasue it is (INFLUENCED) it is not FREE> If find there is not good in my body because to WILL is PRESENT in it says the apostle Paul
peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………………………………………..gene
GeneEven a fish in a bowl of water as free will but limited to the size of the bowl ,right ?yes
To All………..A fish in bowl of water will only do what All Fish in water do, Because Spirit (intellect) of GOD, directs its actions , Just as To say a WILL if FREE is an OXYMORON and Not one scripture say our Will are FREE, we have liberty to exercise our (INFLUENCED) or Captivated WILLS, Which we must put to death and learn by the influence of GOD'S Spirit Which influences us to do HIS Will. thy kingdom come “THY” (WILL) be done”, and again, “Not MY WILL, But THY WILL be done.” All who hang on to their Wills, will lose them Just as it say, he who will say his life will lose it and he who will lose his life will save it Your life is the expression of your will and the same thing.
People confuse Liberty to express our will as us having a Will that is Free Working in US and it shows up as a Righteousness of the SELF , which they suppose is their own work of salvation. A self Salvation based on their own Choices Brought about by their own WILLS> A will-full person is a SELF CENTERED PERSON and never come to true repentance unless he learns to put his own will to death. Paul said clearly I find “NO GOOD” in ME< that is in my Body (WHY), for to WILL is PRESENT IN ME
A will is a DESIRE derived from the Mind and is NEVER FREE from influences of the mind the LORD Changes it and REPLACE it with HIS SPIRIT INFLUENCE> But the WILL is NEVER “FREE of Influence and therefore is not FREE, as the word FREE implies, as i have said many times before people mistakenly take the word Liberty to exercise our captivated will as a FREE WILL that s just not true. A FREEWILL is an OXYMORON, if their ever was one. There is not one scripture that say we posses a Will that is FREE in all the bible, so to imply it is a false teaching. IMO
peace and love to you all ………………………………………………………..Gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2012,07:31) To All………..A fish in bowl of water will only do what All Fish in water do, Because Spirit (intellect) of GOD, directs its actions , Just as To say a WILL if FREE is an OXYMORON and Not one scripture say our Will are FREE, we have liberty to exercise our (INFLUENCED) or Captivated WILLS, Which we must put to death and learn by the influence of GOD'S Spirit Which influences us to do HIS Will. thy kingdom come “THY” (WILL) be done”, and again, “Not MY WILL, But THY WILL be done.” All who hang on to their Wills, will lose them Just as it say, he who will say his life will lose it and he who will lose his life will save it Your life is the expression of your will and the same thing. People confuse Liberty to express our will as us having a Will that is Free Working in US and it shows up as a Righteousness of the SELF , which they suppose is their own work of salvation. A self Salvation based on their own Choices Brought about by their own WILLS> A will-full person is a SELF CENTERED PERSON and never come to true repentance unless he learns to put his own will to death. Paul said clearly I find “NO GOOD” in ME< that is in my Body (WHY), for to WILL is PRESENT IN ME
A will is a DESIRE derived from the Mind and is NEVER FREE from influences of the mind the LORD Changes it and REPLACE it with HIS SPIRIT INFLUENCE> But the WILL is NEVER “FREE of Influence and therefore is not FREE, as the word FREE implies, as i have said many times before people mistakenly take the word Liberty to exercise our captivated will as a FREE WILL that s just not true. A FREEWILL is an OXYMORON, if their ever was one. There is not one scripture that say we posses a Will that is FREE in all the bible, so to imply it is a false teaching. IMO
peace and love to you all ………………………………………………………..Gene
geneall you say is true ,but you do not understand that all those things were said in free will of the one that says it ,
no one tells you to believe what really you believe in your stuberness right ?? this is what you want to believe ,right ,but so it is with all men ,the mind and heart with the will as to become one to do just that,if not you will NOT do it ,why because you are free to do it ,
not any living creature can be anything else than what his nature his , do not be blind,
I have answered you because this is my will to do so and it was free to do so ,
have a great day
Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2012,01:50) Hi Gene, You're blending TWO words into a different meaning –
adding influence into the combined meaning is foolishness on your part!
I MUST THEREFORE INFLUENCE YOU to look at the definitions of these two words separately.Free: able to act as one wishes.
Will: Intend, desire, or wish something to happen
Free will: to be able to act with the intent or desire as one wishes
Influence is not applicable in this phrase!
Influence: The capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
GeneEDJ……….C E Lewis is wrong , if what he said is true them GOD has NO ACTIVE Part in our Salvation it is all up to US alone as all FREEWILL ADVOCATES believe, even though they do not openly say it. God said “He looked for “ONE” righteous Man and found NONE therefore he took it upon his own arm to bring salvation”. Why is that if we can chose the right way to live on our own why do we need any Help from GOD to ChangE our LIVES that would be going against you So-Called “FREE WILL” Idea right.
Why did Jesus tell his disciples you have not chosen me but he chose them Why is that EDJ, if it was strictly up to their own “FREE WILLS” to Chose Jesus. But was it not by the Power of GOD working in their MINDS that caused them to Follow Jesus and understand He was the Christ the Son of the LIVING GOD, was that Just their own so-called Free WILLS doing that. All who advocate a Will that is completely FREE have no idea what a WILL is IMO, the very words WILL implies influenced desires. and if it is (influenced) in anyway it is NOT FREE. Your still confusing LIBERTY with the Word FREE, they are not the same thing.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2012,06:52) EDJ……….C E Lewis is wrong , if what he said is true them GOD has NO ACTIVE Part in our Salvation it is all up to US alone as all FREEWILL ADVOCATES believe, even though they do not openly say it. God said “He looked for “ONE” righteous Man and found NONE therefore he took it upon his own arm to bring salvation”. Why is that if we can chose the right way to live on our own why do we need any Help from GOD to ChangE our LIVES that would be going against you So-Called “FREE WILL” Idea right. Why did Jesus tell his disciples you have not chosen me but he chose them Why is that EDJ, if it was strictly up to their own “FREE WILLS” to Chose Jesus. But was it not by the Power of GOD working in their MINDS that caused them to Follow Jesus and understand He was the Christ the Son of the LIVING GOD, was that Just their own so-called Free WILLS doing that. All who advocate a Will that is completely FREE have no idea what a WILL is IMO, the very words WILL implies influenced desires. and if it is (influenced) in anyway it is NOT FREE. Your still confusing LIBERTY with the Word FREE, they are not the same thing.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………….gene
GQuote God said “He looked for “ONE” righteous Man and found NONE therefore he took it upon his own arm to bring salvation”. could not find one that have NOT SINNED BECAUSE OF THE CURSE OF ADAM.
but look after Christ coming and dead and resurrection THEY ARE CALLED SAINTS ,RIGHTEOUS MAN ,HOLY MAN ,
THIS HIS WHY CHRIST IS NOT OF MAN BUT OF GOD ;CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER ,CHRIST HIS THE ARM OF GOD THAT CAME DOWN FROM ABOVE
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2012,23:52) EDJ……….C E Lewis is wrong , if what he said is true them GOD has NO ACTIVE Part in our Salvation it is all up to US alone as all FREEWILL ADVOCATES believe, even though they do not openly say it. God said “He looked for “ONE” righteous Man and found NONE therefore he took it upon his own arm to bring salvation”. Why is that if we can chose the right way to live on our own why do we need any Help from GOD to ChangE our LIVES that would be going against you So-Called “FREE WILL” Idea right. Why did Jesus tell his disciples you have not chosen me but he chose them Why is that EDJ, if it was strictly up to their own “FREE WILLS” to Chose Jesus. But was it not by the Power of GOD working in their MINDS that caused them to Follow Jesus and understand He was the Christ the Son of the LIVING GOD, was that Just their own so-called Free WILLS doing that. All who advocate a Will that is completely FREE have no idea what a WILL is IMO, the very words WILL implies influenced desires. and if it is (influenced) in anyway it is NOT FREE. Your still confusing LIBERTY with the Word FREE, they are not the same thing.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………….gene
Hi Gene,Please address my post at the top of this page; OK?
God doesn't put oppressive restrictions upon us, are you suggesting he does?
Liberty: the state of being free
from oppressive restrictions imposed
by authority on one's way of life within society.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEdj……..Now that you posted what Liberty is can you now understand the difference between FREEDOM and LIBERTY . Liberty is to be Free “UNDER SOCIAL ORDER> While FREE is to HAVE NO Social order at all attached to it , No external or internal (influencing ) is implied with the word FREE while a WILL imply (influence) or it simply would not be a WILL if it had NO “INFLUENCE” . The word “FREE WILL” is a OXYMORON no such WillS exists, not in Man or GOD, Doesn't it say God does “ALL” thing “AFTER” the “COUNCIL” of his WILL If his will is FREE why does it need COUNCIL?
Edj……….Why is it so important to you that you believe your wills must be a free one anyway. you have liberty form God to express your captivated will just as all men do . Do you actually believe you Choices that comes from you alone is what some how saves you, and if you do then, i would ask why is your source of salvation so important to come from yourself anyway brother. Is it not enough that God chose himself to save you without your personal WILLS participation, What part of that Grace of God is need by you, is it to have some control over your personal Salvation?
Produce “ONE” Scripture that say Man has a “FREE WILL” Given HIM By GOD to HIM> It is not there Edj no matter how hard you and others try to make it so, it just is not there. IMO
peace and love to you and yours brother……………………………………………………….gene
Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,10:09) Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2012,01:50) Hi Gene, You're blending TWO words into a different meaning –
adding influence into the combined meaning is foolishness on your part!
I MUST THEREFORE INFLUENCE YOU to look at the definitions of these two words separately.Free: able to act as one wishes.
Will: Intend, desire, or wish something to happen
Free will: to be able to act with the intent or desire as one wishes
Influence is not applicable in this phrase!
Influence: The capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Gene
Gene, please address this post; OK?EDJ…………Look at what you wrote the answer is there for you.
Influence…..> The CAPACITY TO HAVE AN EFFECT (that is what a WILL DOES)
Will…………..> an (INTENDED) DESIRE. if it is (INTENDED) it is INFLUENCED.
Simple you answered your own question A WILL is a DESIRE, Now what Causes that DESIRE, it it just FREE Thought or influenced Thought , if it is (INFLUENCE) Thought then it is NO FREE now is it?
The word FREEWILL is an OXYMORON> anyway you hack it. Question is not is the Will influenced it is What KIND or TYPE of INFLUENCES Our WILLS , what is directing or as God say Counseling the Wills, causing us to act and desire our own ways. IMO
peace and Love to you and yours…………………………………………………..gene
peace and love……………………………………………………..gene
Hi Gene,
Then why is the word “Free” used in conjunction with “Will” if you say there is no such thing?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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