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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 01 2010,10:50) SF………Please show us were we ever said (every Choice) we make has been predetermined, It really is not nice to lie SF. The questionis “FREE WILL, not do we have WILLS. peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Hi Gene,How about Paul, was he influenced to use his “Free Will” as well?
1 Cor.9:17-19 For if I do this thing “willingly”, I have a reward: but if against my will,
a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. What is my reward then? Verily that, when
I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power
in the gospel. For though I be “free” from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I
might gain the more.How about the Psalmist, does he not have a “Free Will” either?
Psalm 54:6 I will freely sacrifice unto thee:
I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.Psalm 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule(Gene), which have no understanding:
whose mouth must be held in with (the influence of a) bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.EDJ………….NOt even (ONE) of you deceptive quotes States a Man Has a “FREE WILL” (IN) HIM as i said before your confusing a (INFLUENCED WILL) with a person having a will that os itself (FREE). I also see you have failed to look yo the words us in yours quoted so i will give you some help the word “freewill offering', simply means (A VOLUNTARY OFFERING) from a persons own self. It has nothing to do with a person Having a so-called “FREE” WILL operating (IN) HIM. That person Chose to offer because HIS (INFLUENCED) WILL in him Not a “FREE WILL .I thought you were a mathematician and you can't even figure that out or is it you can't bring yourself to admit you are wrong.
peace and love……………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 01 2010,11:26) EDJ………….NOt even (ONE) of you deceptive quotes States a Man Has a “FREE WILL” (IN) HIM as i said before your confusing a (INFLUENCED WILL) with a person having a will that os itself (FREE). I also see you have failed to look yo the words us in yours quoted so i will give you some help the word “freewill offering', simply means (A VOLUNTARY OFFERING) from a persons own self. It has nothing to do with a person Having a so-called “FREE” WILL operating (IN) HIM. That person Chose to offer because HIS (INFLUENCED) WILL in him Not a “FREE WILL .I thought you were a mathematician and you can't even figure that out or is it you can't bring yourself to admit you are wrong. peace and love……………………….gene
Hi Gene,Are you now beginning to see we have “Free Will”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 01 2010,04:50) SF………Please show us were we ever said (every Choice) we make has been predetermined, It really is not nice to lie SF. The questionis “FREE WILL, not do we have WILLS. peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
I dont lie Gene,
From what you told me so far,
thats what i have understood.So feel free to correct me sir.
Just saying, Is it wrong to write what i have received from your posts.
If its in error, correct it.
Because we clearly have a misunderstanding here
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 01 2010,09:43) Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 31 2010,12:50) Gene, I have never read here, what's all this about ?
This is about how Gene and some others believe that we do not have Freewill
Therefore salvation is based that God will “eventually” save EVERYONE, and that some will be punished for a time, only to end up saved and what not.Therefore every choice we make was Predetermined and what not.
Just faulty stuff
Ok, look's interesting, I had to laugh – EdJ and Gene a few pages back, so funny. I suppose when it comes to God saving all, only God knows that, maybe it's true ? Who knows ? (I used to believe in Universal Salvation…it was a good frame of mind), but, thank you for filling me in.Shimmer………..God is not a loser he will eventually save (ALL) his creation. Why? < Because GOD is not (WILLING) that any Parish. don't let the fear mongers say you in your Faith and Trust in the Living GOD, who by (HIS) Power can Change anyone . Free Willers hate the thought of that because they trust in themselves that through there OWN so-called "FREE WILL" they allow God to Save them. Which intruth they are saying they saved themselves by (their) Choices, and really GOD has nothing to do with It, unless of course (they give him permission) . So who is the GOD in that Case (it is themselves) . Think abut it Shimmer.
peace and love to you and your……………………………………….gene
Gene, I joined up with the Christian Universalist foundation I think it was called, I read this web-site about it and I really understood it and I really felt it, so I joined up, I cant remember what made me change my mind. I believe it is a good way to think and a positive way to see things and I see nothing wrong with it, though I may see thing's different myself.
Gene, don't let anyone put you off what you believe because I don't see anything wrong. You and the others who see things the same, you have really nice way's about you, very humble, something which can be hard to find here, you are genuine and true.
Shimmer………Thanks i do love everyone here even those who disagree with me, I may check out that web site to thanks.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 02 2010,00:12) Shimmer………..God is not a loser he will eventually save (ALL) his creation. Why? < Because GOD is not (WILLING) that any Parish. don't let the fear mongers say you in your Faith and Trust in the Living GOD, who by (HIS) Power can Change anyone . Free Willers hate the thought of that because they trust in themselves that through there OWN so-called "FREE WILL" they allow God to Save them. Which intruth they are saying they saved themselves by (their) Choices, and really GOD has nothing to do with It, unless of course (they give him permission) . So who is the GOD in that Case (it is themselves) . Think abut it Shimmer. peace and love to you and your……………………………………….gene
Hi brother Gene another good post. As per N.T believer is a slave to Spirit so he is led by Spirit and hence there is no so called free will.
Love and peace to you
AdamQuote (gollamudi @ Sep. 03 2010,16:32) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 02 2010,00:12) Shimmer………..God is not a loser he will eventually save (ALL) his creation. Why? < Because GOD is not (WILLING) that any Parish. don't let the fear mongers say you in your Faith and Trust in the Living GOD, who by (HIS) Power can Change anyone . Free Willers hate the thought of that because they trust in themselves that through there OWN so-called "FREE WILL" they allow God to Save them. Which intruth they are saying they saved themselves by (their) Choices, and really GOD has nothing to do with It, unless of course (they give him permission) . So who is the GOD in that Case (it is themselves) . Think abut it Shimmer. peace and love to you and your……………………………………….gene
Hi brother Gene another good post. As per N.T believer is a slave to Spirit so he is led by Spirit and hence there is no so called free will.
Love and peace to you
Adam
Hi Adam,I Post this Post out of my “Free Will”, no one has influenced me to Post this!
1Cor.9:17-19 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will,
a dispensation is committed unto me. What is my reward then? That, when I preach
the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power
in the gospel. For though I be free from all, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
(Mark 10:44)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ………Why Lie EDJ, you had a strong (DESIRE) influencing you to Post that, otherwise you would not have posted it. That post was YOUR (influenced) (WILL), nothing FREE About It. Your miss understanding of what Paul was saying is also obvious to anyone who has the understanding. Paul was saying He was FREE from all (PEOPLE) and then He (MADE) HIMSELF to be a servant unto ALL, That WAS HIS Strong (INFLUENCED) WILL to DO that. Nothing FREE about it He had a definite Purpose in MIND all along. Youn can't even understand what you post Where it say “I DO THIS THING (WILLINGLY) Willingly means His desires working (IN) Him nothing Free abut it. Tehr is not such thing as a “FREE” WILL that is an OXYMORON. A Will simply is NOT a WILL if It is FREE of Anything. Common sense should tell you that. IMO
peace and love………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2010,16:00) EDJ……… A Will simply is NOT a WILL if It is FREE of Anything.
peace and love………………………….gene
Hi Gene,Explain what you mean by this comment ? ? ?
EDJ……….The very word (WILL) Means an (INFLUENCE) or it simply cannot be a WILL at all. A WILL that is FREE is not a WILL at all. Because not Will Exists in a state of Being FREE. or it simply would not be a will at all. You are confusing Our (LIBERTY) to exercise our (INFLUENCED) WILLS and Us having a “FREE WILL” operating (IN US)> That simply is not true there exist (NO) WILL the is FREE of (INFLUENCE). of any kind. All Wills are an expression of the Influencing going on in the Mind they make up that WILL in a Person, A will cannot exist in a FREE STATE unless you are a zombie or brain dead and exist in a totally free mental state.
peace and Love…………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2010,16:44) EDJ……….The very word (WILL) Means an (INFLUENCE) or it simply cannot be a WILL at all. A WILL that is FREE is not a WILL at all. Because not Will Exists in a state of Being FREE. or it simply would not be a will at all. You are confusing Our (LIBERTY) to exercise our (INFLUENCED) WILLS and Us having a “FREE WILL” operating (IN US)> That simply is not true there exist (NO) WILL the is FREE of (INFLUENCE). of any kind. All Wills are an expression of the Influencing going on in the Mind they make up that WILL in a Person, A will cannot exist in a FREE STATE unless you are a zombie or brain dead and exist in a totally free mental state. peace and Love…………………………..gene
Hi Gene,Influence has NOTHING to do with “Free Will”! Why do 'you' insist it does?
Will: 1. The power to make a reasoned choice or of controlling one's own actions.
2. Determination. 3. attitude towards others. 4. To desire or want. 5. To control
by power of the will. 6. To wish, desire, or choose when one wishes.Why do you insist your changes to established words (in communication) are more correct?
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ………..If you say your not (INFLUENCED) in what you do you are simply (BLIND) or Just lying one or the other. A Will can not exist without (influence) No such thing. that is Why to say “FREE WILL” is an OXYMORON. No such thing exist or it simply would not be a WILL the very word WILL Means It is derived from (INFLUENCED) thoughts. Doesn't take a very smart person to understand that EDJ.
peace and love………………………gene
Hi brother Gene, as Aristotle rightly told nothing in this world works without influence whether it is God or environment. Free will is a myth which Christianity including Judaism incorporated into their religions. But there are people like you and few others who negate such beliefs.
I appreciate your persistence in this debate.
Love and peace to you
AdamQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2010,16:00) EDJ………Why Lie EDJ… …IMO
peace and love………………………….gene
Hi Gene,Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Deut.5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor.1Tm.5:19: Against an elder receive not an accusation,
but before “two” or “three” witnesses.
(where are your witnesses?)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 10 2010,01:54) EDJ………..If you say your not (INFLUENCED) in what you do you are simply (BLIND) or Just lying one or the other. peace and love………………………gene
Hi Gene,We are all influenced, but influence has NOTHING to do with “Free Will”!
Why do 'you' keep insisting (FALSELY) it does?Will: 1. The power to make a reasoned choice or of controlling one's own actions.
2. Determination. 3. attitude towards others. 4. To desire or want. 5. To control
by power of the will. 6. To wish, desire, or choose when one wishes. (John 8:36)Why do you insist your changes the established words in communication (Free Will)?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (gollamudi @ Sep. 10 2010,15:29) Hi brother Gene, Free will is a myth…
Love and peace to you
Adam
Hi Adam,Where is the proof of 'your' (FALSE) assertion?
1Thess.5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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