Free Will?

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,21:15)

Terricca……..So workinh out your salvation with fear and trembling has nothing to do with it right.?

gene

are still in prison predetermination ,

I made the only step i could of my own freewill,and now follow Christ and God direction,and i am in no way in fair and not trembling at all.

but stand in the true faith received in return of my choice.
i have chosen live over dead.

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,14:27)

Edj………..Here is on for you to Chew on…….> Phil 2:13 FOR it is (God) Which works in you (BOTH) to (WILL) and to Do of HIS good pleasure. So who is the one Working is it your so-called “FREE” WILL or GOD'S WILL that is doing the WORK. I have come to a conclusion you people don't even understand simple clear scriptures much less complicated one. IMO   Edj… this is an example of the blind trying to lead the blind. If you can't understand these simple thing how can you possibly understand any of the rest EdJ THERE IS (NO) SUCH THING AS A “FREE' WILL IN EXISTENCE NO GOD'S WILL OR MANS WILL. TO SAY A WILL IS ITSELF A FREE WILL IS AN OXYMORON. It simply would not be a WILL if it were “FREE” why cant you get it? peace and love………………..gene

Hi Gene,

Phillip2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

If we did not have “Free Will” (according to Gene Balthrop), why would God have to work in us?

Luke 22:42: Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup
from me: nevertheless not my (free) will, but thine (will), be done.

If Jesus did not (according to Gene Balthrop) have “Free Will”, why would he say this?

Have 'you' chewed on this yet; Gene Balthrop?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

EDJ……….Simple because our (CAPTIVATED WILLS) are influenced to in the wrong way. So Only God can (CREATE IN US A RIGHT WILL) Your so-called “FREE” does not exist no did it ever exist. Why do you think is says Jesus can to set the (captives) free, free from what? there wrong thinking which guided their wills. “IT IS (NOT) WITH (IN) A MAN TO DIRECT HIS PATHS, GET IT. HIS WILL IS THE RESULT OF WHAT IS INFLUENCING HIS AT ANY GIVEN TIME RATHER OF GODS (INFLUENCE) OR HIS OWN INFLUENCE (CARNAL MIND) INFLUENCES. YOUR OR MY WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR SALVATION IT IS GODS WILL ALONE AND HIS POWER TO OPERATE HIS WILL IN US, THAT IS ALL THERE IS TO IT. Have you forgot Jesus said (THY) KINGDOM COME (THY) (WILL) BE DONE. GOD DOES NOT NEED NOR ASK YOU PERMISSION TO DO ANYTHING HE DO , HE ALREADY KNOWS WHAT YOUR WILL ARE MADE UP OF, AND THEY MUST BE PUT TO DEATH AS JESUS PUT HIS WILL TO DEATH.

Jesus sad not my will but they will be done , because he new his will was not gods will ,he did not trust in himself as you supposed “free” willer's do. He trusted in GOD alone, His Will had nothing to do with it. He mastered himself by mastering his own will and putting it to death even the death of the cross.

peace and love…………………..gene

[davidbfun]

Gene,

Apparently God's will is not being done on Earth as it is in Heaven….otherwise there'd be no evil occurring.

[GeneBalthrop]

DBF…………………Bingo! you have it the will operating in the earth is Mans Will it is the spirit of an adversary and is a Will that is far from “FREE” , not Gods Will that should be obvious, even to the carnal minded, except for a precious few that is those who have his spirit (IN) them, these “GOD IS WORKING IN THEM (BOTH) TO (WILL) AND DO OF (HIS) GOOD PLEASURE”. A 'FREE' WILL IS AN OXYMORON THERE EXIST NO SUCH THING AS A WILL THAT IS “FREE”, NEITHER WITH GOD NOR MAN. Only (INFLUENCED) WILLS EXIST. “For God does (all) things after the (council) of His will”, even God's will is derives from council.His will is counciled by seven distinct Spirit intellects. And from these he draws his WILL, Just as we think about thing before we desire or WILL them. Then we do what we willed to do according to those (INFLUENCES).IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

[Ed J]

Hi Gene,

Man's “Free Will” is free to follow satan or God.
Why do you not understand this?

Psalm 32:9: Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule (Gene), which have no understanding:
whose mouth must be (influenced) held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

I think Satan gets too much credit for the evil in this world.
God put the credit where the credit is due:

Gen 8:21 The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.

Man's “free will” is to do evil.

[GeneBalthrop]

DBF………..”man;s “free will” to do evil”………..Please show us that in scripture or is it another speculation of your.

peace and love…………………………gene

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2010,16:56)

DBF………..”man;s “free will” to do evil”………..Please show us that in scripture or is it another speculation of your. peace and love…………………………gene

Hi Gene,

Are you saying that is the case when Jesus used his “Free Will” to follow God's will also?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

EDJ………Where does any scripture say Jesus used his “FREE” Will to do anything. He used His (INFLUENCED) WILL God was (IN) Jesus by the Christos or anointing given Him. Adding words again, i see o Well join the crowd. Suppositions , speculations, assumptions, inferences, mistranslated texts and illogical conclusions , beliefs Fostered by pagan Greek and Roman beliefs of apostate Churches. IMO

peace and love………………………gene

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2010,17:50)

EDJ………Where does any scripture say Jesus used his “FREE” Will to do anything.  He used His (INFLUENCED) WILL God was (IN) Jesus by the Christos or anointing given Him. Adding words again, i see o Well join the crowd. Suppositions , speculations, assumptions, inferences, mistranslated texts and illogical conclusions , beliefs Fostered  by pagan Greek and Roman beliefs of apostate Churches. IMO peace and love………………………gene

Hi Gene,

Mark 4:35: And the same day, when the even was come,
he saith unto them, Let us pass over unto the other side.

Look, Jesus exercised his “Free Will” here as well!

Mathew 8:2-3 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.

Are you saying Jesus could only do this because of the leper's influence?

Mathew 8:5-7 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

So only because of the centurion's influence Jesus' will was controlled?

Your views are so un-Scriptural; Gene!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

EDJ……….Amazing not one scripture you just quoted had any thing with anyone having a “FREE” Will, Will perhaps but not FREE, or influences. There is not such thing a WILL the Is “FREE; You have yet to produce (ONE) scripture that says Man has a “FREE WILL” (IN) HIM. Only influenced Will and that does not equal to a “FREE WILL” That is why it is never said that man has a “FREE” WILL (OPERATING (IN) HIM)> The very word WILL in defined as DESIRE . Hardly “FREE” at all.

peace and love…………………..gene

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2010,18:25)

EDJ……….Amazing not one scripture you just quoted had any thing with anyone having a “FREE” Will, Will perhaps but not FREE, or influences. There is not such thing a WILL the Is  “FREE; You have yet to produce (ONE) scripture that says Man has a “FREE WILL” (IN) HIM. Only influenced Will and that does not equal to a “FREE WILL” That is why it is never said that man has a “FREE” WILL (OPERATING (IN) HIM)> The very word WILL in defined as DESIRE . Hardly “FREE” at all. peace and love…………………..gene

Hi Gene,

Influence has NOTHING TO DO WITH “Free Will” !
You have yet to produce (even one Scripture) that says influence does!

Ezra 7:13 I(Artaxerxes) make a decree, that all they of
the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm,
which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

Heb.10:26-26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received
the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Heb.6:6)
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries…

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

EDJ………..Sinning “Willfully has nothing to do with us having a “FREE” Will (IN) us now does it”. Because a man would not sin in the first place if he was not (INFLUENCED) TO.

Again as explained before The scripture you are (trying) to us to support a faild argument is not talking about a man (HAVING) a Will that is FREE (IN) Him, But if he Voluntarily desires to give a offering he can, but he wouldn't give it it if he did not (want or will) to . If he so desires to give one he can, is all that is saying , you trying to use that to justify you so-call “FREE” WILL false teaching is just you forcing the text to meet your ideologies. IMO

peace and love……………………………..gene

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2010,23:57)

EDJ………..Sinning “Willfully has nothing to do with us having a “FREE” Will (IN) us now does it”. Because a man would not sin in the first place if he was not (INFLUENCED) TO. Again as explained before  The scripture you are (trying) to us to support a faild argument is not talking about a man (HAVING) a Will that is FREE (IN) Him, But if he Voluntarily desires to give a offering he can, but he wouldn't give it it if he did not (want or will) to . If he so desires to give one he can,  is all that is saying , you trying to use that to justify you so-call “FREE” WILL false teaching is just you forcing the text to meet your ideologies. IMO peace and love……………………………..gene

Hi Gene,

An influence on our will does not diminish our “Free Will” at all!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[shimmer]

Gene, I have never read here, what's all this about ?

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 31 2010,12:50)

Gene, I have never read here, what's all this about ?

This is about how Gene and some others believe that we do not have Freewill
Therefore salvation is based that God will “eventually” save EVERYONE, and that some will be punished for a time, only to end up saved and what not.

Therefore every choice we make was Predetermined and what not.

Just faulty stuff

[GeneBalthrop]

SF………Please show us were we ever said (every Choice) we make has been predetermined, It really is not nice to lie SF. The questionis “FREE WILL, not do we have WILLS.

peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 01 2010,10:50)

SF………Please show us were we ever said (every Choice) we make has been predetermined, It really is not nice to lie SF. The questionis “FREE WILL, not do we have WILLS. peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

Hi Gene,

Were these people influenced to use their “Free Will”?

Lev.22:18 Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them,
Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation
for all his vows, and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the LORD for a burnt offering;

Lev.22:21 And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD to accomplish his vow,
or a freewill offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein.

Lev.22:23 Either a bullock or a lamb that hath any thing superfluous or lacking in his parts,
that mayest thou offer for a freewill offering; but for a vow it shall not be accepted.

Lev.23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows,
and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.

Numbers 15:3 And will make an offering by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow,
or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savor unto the LORD, of the herd, or of the flock:

Numbers 29:39 These things ye shall do unto the LORD in your set feasts, beside your vows,
and your freewill offerings, for your burnt offerings, and for your meat offerings,
and for your drink offerings, and for your peace offerings.

Deut.12:6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings
of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:

Deut.12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine,
or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest,
nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:

Deut.16:10 And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of
a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God,
according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:

Deut.23:23 That which is gone out of thy lips thou shalt keep and perform; even a freewill offering,
according as thou hast vowed unto the LORD thy God, which thou hast promised with thy mouth.

2Chron.31:14 And Kore the son of Imnah the Levite, the porter toward the east,
was over the freewill offerings of God, to distribute the oblations of the LORD, and the most holy things.

Ezra 1:4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver,
and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

Ezra 3:5 And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the
set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD.

Ezra 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites,
in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

Ezra 7:16 And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering
of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:

Ezra 8:28 And I said unto them, Ye are holy unto the LORD; the vessels are holy also;
and the silver and the gold are a freewill offering unto the LORD God of your fathers.

Psalm 119:108 Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD, and teach me thy judgments.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 01 2010,10:50)

SF………Please show us were we ever said (every Choice) we make has been predetermined, It really is not nice to lie SF. The questionis “FREE WILL, not do we have WILLS. peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

Hi Gene,

Were these people influenced to use their “Free Will” as well?

1Cor.7:37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity,
but hath power over HIS OWN WILL, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.

1Cor.16:12 As touching our brother Apollos, I greatly desired him to come unto you with the brethren:
but “HIS WILL” was not at all to come at this time; but he will come when he shall have convenient time.

Lev:22:29: And when ye will offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving unto the LORD, offer it AT YOUR OWN WILL.

Josh:24:15: And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom YE WILL serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Jn:5:40: And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life.

Gen:34:15: But in this will we consent unto you: If “YE WILL” be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised;

Ex:19:5: Now therefore, if “YE WILL” obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant,
then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Lev:26:14: But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

Lev:26:23: And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;

Lev:26:27: And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;

Num:32:20: And Moses said unto them, If ye will do this thing, if ye will go armed before the LORD to war,

Num:32:23: But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.

Deut:11:28: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God,
but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

1Sam:12:14: If ye will fear the LORD, and serve him, and obey his voice, and not rebel against
the commandment of the LORD, then shall both ye and also the king that reigneth over you continue following the LORD your God:

1Sam:12:15: But if ye will not obey the voice of the LORD, but rebel against the commandment of the LORD,
then shall the hand of the LORD be against you, as it was
against your fathers.

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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