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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,21:25) EDJ……….So as I said you at sometime decided and Give GOD Permission first by your OWN SO CALLED “FREE WILLS” right. My how righteous you “FREE” Weller's are> So produce ONE Scripture that Say YOU Save your selves by your (OWN) personal “FREE WILLS” then will talk. You way of salvation is not found anywhere in scriptures.> My bibles say while we were yet sinners GOD Saved Us. Peace and love……………………….gene
genewhy do you keep lying; My bibles say while we were yet sinners GOD Saved Us.
NO THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT;IT SAY IF YOU OBEY CHRIST WORD BY APPLYING THEM IN YOUR LIVE,
AND STAY AWAY OF DOING WICKET THINGS ,SO THAT GOD MAY GIVE YOU LIVE IN RETURN ,
BUT THIS CAN ONLY BE DONE IF YOU LOVE THE TRUTH ,CHRIST AND GOD ,WE ARE NOT SAVED UNTIL WE GO TO GOD FOR THE FERGIVENESS OF OUR SINS,AND STOP PERSUING OUR CARNAL INCLINATION.LIKE TEACH THE DOCTRINE OF PREDETERMINATION.
Pierre
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,14:25) EDJ……….(1)So as I said you at sometime decided and Give GOD Permission first by your OWN SO CALLED “FREE WILLS” right. My how righteous you “FREE” Weller's are> (2)So produce ONE Scripture that Say YOU Save your selves by your (OWN) personal “FREE WILLS” then will talk. (3)You way of salvation is not found anywhere in scriptures.> (4)My bibles say while we were yet sinners GOD Saved Us. Peace and love……………………….gene
Hi Gene,1) Thank 'you'!
2) 'Spin'!
3) Acts 13:39 And by [Jesus] all that believe are justified from all
things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.4) My Bible say: YOU are to STOP SINNING! (Heb.10:26)
Heb.10:26-26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received
the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Heb.6:6)
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries…Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,14:25) EDJ………. My bibles say while we were yet sinners GOD Saved Us.
Peace and love……………………….gene
Hi Gene,Seems one of our Bible's is 'wrong'!
My Bible SAY: “while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us”! (Rom:5:8)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,14:25) EDJ………. My bibles say while we were yet sinners GOD Saved Us.
Peace and love……………………….gene
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Hi Gene,Seems one of our Bible's is 'wrong'!
My Bible SAY: “while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” ! (Rom:5:8)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org[/quote]Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,05:08) SF………..I do not have a “FREE” Will I have a (INFLUENCED WILL) Nor do you. Questions who and what is (INFLUENCING) YOUR WILL. peace and love……………………………….gene
I didnt say “Free” will i said, free will.But please stop using it.
Ask God, please tell me what he told you?
Edj………Is not a “FREE” Will and a freewill the same thing. I know we are given liberty to exercise our captivated and influences wills i have always said the. But that does not mean those Wills are “FREE” in and of themselves now does it. Get my point. Not scripture say we poses wills that are FREE WILL (IN) US. That is to say a WILL the IS “FREE” or UNINFLUENCED.
Now at to the scripture i was referring to concerning Jesus dying for us while we were yet sinners. That was the act of GOD doing this for Us. Perhaps this will help you, “God has concluded (ALL) under sin the He might have Mercy on (ALL)”. Don't you know that Jesus was GOD”S sacrifice for the sins of the world. GOD gave his uniquely begotten Son that who soever believes on hims should not parish . But how can anyone believe on Him? out of his own “FREE WILL”, of does he have to be (Influenced by GOD)? Jesus said “NO MAN (CAN) COME UNTO ME (EXCEPT) THE FATHER (DRAW) HIM”. So then it is God who brings us to Christ Jesus so we can recieve forgiveness of our sins through his blood. It is GOD the Father who opens up our minds to this truth, it does not come from us. “FOR YOU ARE SAVED (BY) GRACE AND THAT (NOT) OF OR FROM YOURSELVES IT IS A (GIFT) FROM GOD. O My looks like your so-called “FREE” WILL has a problem in saving it self right.
EDJ………..you do not save yourself by your so-called freewill choices you are saved by GOD the Fathers Choice.
“GOD WAS RECONCILING THE WHOLE WORLD TO (HIMSELF) THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. Now who was doing the reconciling> it say GOD was. Where do you see our so-called “FREE” WILLS or freewill was doing any of the reconciling work. Notice also, For God has created us unto good works, and again For he works (IN) us (BOTH) to WILL and do of (HIS) good pleasure. What two thing does GOD do ((IN) US (WORKS) and (WILL). BUT whose WORK and WILL (HIS)> Not ours or our mistakingly-called “freewill”. “it is not within a man to direct His paths” we are told so should we rely on our own wills, absolutely not. Our Wills have nothing to do with it and must be put to death just as Jesus did His Will. Only (ONE) will will be done and rather anyone likes it or not it will Be Gods WILL, not theirs. IMOpeace and love………………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,23:44) Edj………Is not a “FREE” Will and a freewill the same thing. I know we are given liberty to exercise our captivated and influences wills i have always said the. But that does not mean those Wills are “FREE” in and of themselves now does it. Get my point. Not scripture say we poses wills that are FREE WILL (IN) US. That is to say a WILL the IS “FREE” or UNINFLUENCED. …IMO
peace and love………………………………………..gene
Hi Gene,That's what 'you' keep saying, but have NOT produced
any Scriptural backing to this 'influenced idea' of yours?
The definition you use for “Free Will” differs from others?V = Verb
N = NounFree Will as defined by Webster's Collegiate Dictionary:
V 1. Voluntary, spontaneous
N 2. Voluntary choice or decision(I do this of my own free will)
N 3. Freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined
by prior causes or by Divine interventionSo to set the record straight: Both 'You'(Gene) and 'Chosenone'(Jerry)
are using a loose application of definition #3; right?“Everyone else” here is using a more strict combined definition of ALL three;
can we (at least) agree on this synopsis?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2010,17:26) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,14:25) EDJ………. My bibles say while we were yet sinners GOD Saved Us.
Peace and love……………………….gene
Hi Gene,Seems one of our Bible's is 'wrong'!
My Bible SAY: “while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” ! (Rom:5:8)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Gene,You ignored this Post altogether!
Please address this Post specifically, Gene, OK;
without making any additional unrelated points in your response?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ…….the number Three it the best and most accurate definitions . a “free” will IS A WILL THAT IS (FREE) of (ANY) INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER. Now knowing that can you say your Will is FREE of any (INFLUENCES) Can you say that you make Choices that are not (DETERMINED) by (PRIOR) CAUSES or Divine (Intervention) > So you can we call you blank man now because you have (NO) Prior Causes and No Divine (intervention) Then.:D
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,11:19) EDJ…….the number Three it the best and most accurate definitions . a “free” will IS A WILL THAT IS (FREE) of (ANY) INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER. Now knowing that can you say your Will is FREE of any (INFLUENCES) Can you say that you make Choices that are not (DETERMINED) by (PRIOR) CAUSES or Divine (Intervention) > So you can we call you blank man now because you have (NO) Prior Causes and No Divine (intervention) Then.:D
Hi Gene,First: You dodged my other Post twice now.
Secondly: #3 would ONLY apply to the Apostle Paul!
It's god's will that none should be lost,
but it's our “Free Will” to accept God's will! (Luke 22:42)
Free Will is “Bible Truth”; why is this TRUTH so hard for 'you' to swallow?Stop thinking you're right and everyone else (falsely) is wrong!
Influence HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hi Gene,
Truth does NOT fear an investigation!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEph 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
What free will?
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 26 2010,20:04) Eph 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, What free will?
The Professor
Davidbfunfirst;Eph 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Paul is written to his disciples in Eph;wright
so he talks abode them ,not about the human race,
so what he really saying is ;we who have accepting Christ sacrifice and received God holy spirit are predestined to adoption as sons through JC to himself,and this is done according to the kind intention of his will.
were is free will your question; answer;they have gone to God of their freewill to serve him ,this action can not be forced on anyone.
Pierre
Edj………..Here is on for you to Chew on…….>
Phil 2:13 FOR it is (God) Which works in you (BOTH) to (WILL) and to Do of HIS good pleasure. So who is the one Working is it your so-called “FREE” WILL or GOD'S WILL that is doing the WORK.
I have come to a conclusion you people don't even understand simple clear scriptures much less complicated one. IMO
Edj… this is an example of the blind trying to lead the blind. If you can't understand these simple thing how can you possibly understand any of the rest EdJ
THERE IS (NO) SUCH THING AS A “FREE' WILL IN EXISTENCE NO GOD'S WILL OR MANS WILL. TO SAY A WILL IS ITSELF A FREE WILL IS AN OXYMORON. It simply would not be a WILL if it were “FREE” why cant you get it?
peace and love………………..gene
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which “God prepared beforehand” so that we would walk in them.
The Professor
DBF……..This you have right , GOD is the one doing the Works , it is by (HIS) GRACE we are being Changed and (caused) to become right in our hearts and Minds ,OUR OWN SO-CALLED “FREE WILLS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. FREE WILLER'S are nothing but (I) GOD'S, trying to perfect their own selves by their own free choices. They have NO true Faith in GOD only there selves that is why they hold on to their own so-called “FREE WILLS”. IMO
peace and love……………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,22:56) DBF……..This you have right , GOD is the one doing the Works , it is by (HIS) GRACE we are being Changed and (caused) to become right in our hearts and Minds ,OUR OWN SO-CALLED “FREE WILLS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. FREE WILLER'S are nothing but (I) GOD'S, trying to perfect their own selves by their own free choices. They have NO true Faith in GOD only there selves that is why they hold on to their own so-called “FREE WILLS”. IMO peace and love……………………….gene
Gene,I'd like to “think” that I have free will since I can “think”.
But if God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world I don't think there is much “free will” left for me to do.
Just like the end of the world is over, we just haven't lived it.
The Professor
DBF……….You do have a (WILL) which desires what you think. But is is hardly “FREE” at all it is Purely an (INFLUENCED) WILL. Saying one has a Will is One thing saying it is “FREE” is quite another. Any way if you have not got it yet i doubt if you will. So i think i will bow out of this for a while.
peace and love………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,23:12) DBF……….You do have a (WILL) which desires what you think. But is is hardly “FREE” at all it is Purely an (INFLUENCED) WILL. Saying one has a Will is One thing saying it is “FREE” is quite another. Any way if you have not got it yet i doubt if you will. So i think i will bow out of this for a while. peace and love………………………..gene
Hi Gene,I hear you. I have a will to do whatever I wish. I can do good or evil. The good works have been prepared beforehand by God for me to do. The evil works would come from my evil nature.
Help me out, please. I've seen this “influenced” will on hn, where does it come from? Any Scripture to sink my teeth into? Why the concern over the adjectives in front of “will”?
The Professor
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