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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 12 2010,01:14) Adam…………Indeed the False teaching of “FREE” Will is completely against the Will of GOD and is a Doctrine from Man who choses to be His (OWN) GOD, and will only accept GOD (IF) his So-called “FREE” will allows it. another words a self salvation granted by man himself. This makes man in charge and Puts GOD in a lesser position , by thinking their so-call “FREE” Will is in control. This is the very cause of the fall of man itself, it is a desire to become a GOD as GOD is GOD, Man want to exercise His OWN WILL as the Cause of His Salvation. There exist no such thing as a Will that is “FREE”, only (INFLUENCED WILLS) Exist. IMO peace and love to you and yours Adam……………………gene
Thank you very much brother Gene for such agreement.
Love and peace to you
AdamQuote (chosenone @ Aug. 12 2010,05:55) Hi Adam, a very good post, explained in accord with scripture.
A question please, why do you, or your source, print G-d instead of the word God? Just curious.God Bless, Jerry.
Hi brother Jerry,
Thank you very much for such appreciation. The Jewish people are afraid to utter the word 'God' or the 'name of God' and also there are no vowels in their Hebrew script. Therefore many Jewish people write God as G-d and Lord as L-rd etc.
Peace and love to you
AdamQuote (kerwin @ Aug. 11 2010,17:29) Ed J., You are arguing that just because Scripture declares Jesus is a human being does not mean he is not a demigod because a hybrid can be labeled according to one of the parts that compose their makeup. That is a sound and valid argument though it is untrue that Jesus is a demigod.
I have already pointed out elsewhere that God does not breed in the flesh because he has no flesh being spirit in form and not just a citizen of the spiritual realm.
I also pointed out on the same thread there is only one God and so there is no other God or demigod.
I see no reason to start up a discussion on those two points at this time as covering them again seems vain repetition.
Hi Kerwin,Rom.8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed
to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (Col.3:10)Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the HolySpirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.God bless
Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Kerwin,
Jesus lineage is clearly written in “The Bible. (1Thess.5:21)
It's only a matter of lining up all the pieces correctly. (2Tm.2:15)50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)
25% Judah: Mary’s Father Heli was the “son of David” (seed: according to the flesh) through Nathan. (Luke 3:23-31)
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
25% Levi: Mary’s Mother was from the tribe of Levi (which was the tribe of the priesthood). (Luke 1:5 / Luke 1:36)
Heb.5:6: As he saith also in another place, Thou(Jesus Christ) art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused
to Joseph, before they came (consummated) together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit.
Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto
him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit. (Son of the HolySpirit = Son of God)
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon
thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing(Jesus) which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son? And David
himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD(יהוה האלהים) said unto my Lord(יהשוע המשיח),
Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. (Psalm 110:1-2)
David therefore calleth him(Jesus Christ) Lord, how how is he(Jesus Christ) then his(David's) son?Can you reconcile these two Scriptures together, I can!
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Jn.8:14 …Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true…
John 5:37 is therefore fulfilled today in your reading of this Post! (Rev.21:2-3)Luke 10:30-37 will help you understand who יהשוע המשיח YÄ-shü-ă hä-Mäh-shē-äkh was! (John 8:14) This is
an exegetical parable about [יהשוע המשיח (Jesus Christ) and “His neighbor” יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)! (John 5:37)Luke 10:30-37 And Jesus answering said, A certain man (Jesus) went down from Jerusalem to Jericho,
and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite(a Priest), when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him
to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to
the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will
repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness,
by the resurrection from the dead: (Gal.1:1) (John 6:39-40 / John 6:54)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (gollamudi @ Aug. 12 2010,21:17) So he is God-man as per your data given above brother Ed J?
Hi Gollamudi,The Bible says: Jesus is “The Son of GOD”; do you believe this?
All I did: is lay out the data that corroborates this “Bible Truth”!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (gollamudi @ Aug. 12 2010,21:17) So he is God-man as per your data given above brother Ed J? (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Edit)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Hi Gollamudi,Neither The Hebrew Masoretic Texts nor the Greek language have a word for “OF”!
The Bible says: “Jesus”=74 is the “Son of GOD”=74; do you believe this?
All I did: is lay out the data that corroborates this “Bible Truth”!
It's the shedding of his “God Blood”=74 that saves us.
(Lev.17:11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo ALL………..! Jo 3:2….> Beloved, (NOW) are we the SONS OF GOD, and it do the not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall see him (AS) He (Jesus) is. And every man that has this hope (IN) him purifies himself, even as he (Jesus) is pure.
WE will appear Just like Jesus and be exactly the same as He is with the same kind of Body he has. We are considered (NOW) SONS OF GOD Just as HE IS Also. We are Heirs and Joints Heirs with Jesus He is the (Firstborn) from the dead unto eternal life the first MAN to achieve that Ultimate Goal that GOD has Purposed for Mankind. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2010,01:05) To ALL………..! Jo 3:2….> Beloved, (NOW) are we the SONS OF GOD, and it do the not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall see him (AS) He (Jesus) is. And every man that has this hope (IN) him purifies himself, even as he (Jesus) is pure. WE will appear Just like Jesus and be exactly the same as He is with the same kind of Body he has. We are considered (NOW) SONS OF GOD Just as HE IS Also. We are Heirs and Joints Heirs with Jesus He is the (Firstborn) from the dead unto eternal life the first MAN to achieve that Ultimate Goal that GOD has Purposed for Mankind. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………gene
Sahlom Gene,Were are (once again) on the same Page Brother!
2 Cor. 4:4 …Christ, who is the image of God, should shine…
Col.3:10 And have put on the new(Jos.22:28), which is renewed
in knowledge after the image of him(YHVH) that created him(Jesus):
Rom.8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate conformed
to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Col.1:15: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
(Click Here) <–to compare with the image Rev.13:15; the 'image' of the antichrist!B'Shem
YHVHQuote (gollamudi @ Aug. 12 2010,16:00) Quote (chosenone @ Aug. 12 2010,05:55) Hi Adam, a very good post, explained in accord with scripture.
A question please, why do you, or your source, print G-d instead of the word God? Just curious.God Bless, Jerry.
Hi brother Jerry,
Thank you very much for such appreciation. The Jewish people are afraid to utter the word 'God' or the 'name of God' and also there are no vowels in their Hebrew script. Therefore many Jewish people write God as G-d and Lord as L-rd etc.
Peace and love to you
Adam
Thanks Adam, God Bless.Jerry.
To All,
Here is your verse Gene!
Ezra 7:13 I(Artaxerxes) make a decree, that all they of
the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm,
which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDj………….Looking for straws won't cut it brother, WE are (NOT) talking about a WILL THAT IS “free” to be exercised, in this life, We are talking about is the “WILL” It self a “FREE WILL” that is to say a Will that is “FREE” of ANY (INFLUENCE) of any kind. NO WILL EXIST like that . What that scripture is saying is any one who of His own Choice Choses to go up could , it does not Mean that Choice was the result of a “FREE” WILL but a predisposed WILL Only doing what it wants to. Can you understand this ED?, Look Up the Word used there and you will see it means voluntarily or of ones self, that of ones self is, the working of his or her will in them and that will works by (INFLUENCES) We are all held captive by our Wills, There exists no such thing as a “FREE” WILL that is and Oxymoron Statement. IMO
peace and loveto you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 24 2010,04:59) EDj………….Looking for straws won't cut it brother, WE are (NOT) talking about a WILL THAT IS “free” to be exercised, in this life, We are talking about is the “WILL” It self a “FREE WILL” that is to say a Will that is “FREE” of ANY (INFLUENCE) of any kind. NO WILL EXIST like that . What that scripture is saying is any one who of His own Choice Choses to go up could , it does not Mean that Choice was the result of a “FREE” WILL but a predisposed WILL Only doing what it wants to. Can you understand this ED?, Look Up the Word used there and you will see it means voluntarily or of ones self, that of ones self is, the working of his or her will in them and that will works by (INFLUENCES) We are all held captive by our Wills, There exists no such thing as a “FREE” WILL that is and Oxymoron Statement. IMO peace and loveto you and yours…………………….gene
Hi Gene,No, that's what 'your' talking about.
That's where you live: Robot world.
But what sayeth the Scriptures…Psalm 32:9: Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule (Gene), which have no understanding:
whose mouth must be held in (by influence) with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.I ONLY Post in this thread (out of my “Free Will”) because
Terraricca asked me to join the “Free Willers club”, and I did!
Ezra 7:13 is very clear: “Free Will” is God's purpose for us here!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 24 2010,11:59) EDj………….Looking for straws won't cut it brother, WE are (NOT) talking about a WILL THAT IS “free” to be exercised, in this life, We are talking about is the “WILL” It self a “FREE WILL” that is to say a Will that is “FREE” of ANY (INFLUENCE) of any kind. NO WILL EXIST like that . What that scripture is saying is any one who of His own Choice Choses to go up could , it does not Mean that Choice was the result of a “FREE” WILL but a predisposed WILL Only doing what it wants to. Can you understand this ED?, Look Up the Word used there and you will see it means voluntarily or of ones self, that of ones self is, the working of his or her will in them and that will works by (INFLUENCES) We are all held captive by our Wills, There exists no such thing as a “FREE” WILL that is and Oxymoron Statement. IMO peace and loveto you and yours…………………….gene
geneyou never will be able to convince a true believer in truth that it is predetermination and that people are robots in the hands of God.
you also never will be able to make true believers in bible truth that we do not have freewill,and so be responsible for our actions.
Pierre
Hi Gene.
I don't know how those that argue against the word of God can be so ignorant of scripture that says He is in complete control. Just look at Eph.1:4 …according as He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world, we to be holy and flawless in His sight,
5 in love designating us beforehand for the place of a son for Him through Christ Jesus; in accord with the delight of His will,
Does this not clearly say that He (God) has “predestined all”?Also in Ehp.1:11 …in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
Only those who have had their hearts “hardened”, will deny what scripture clearly says.God Bless, Jerry.
Chosenone………There are two types of mind set here, one believe GOD is in (COMPLETE) control of all things and their Will's must be put to death and conform to GOD'S WILL, by the operation of GOD'S Holy Spirit and those who think (THEY) BY their (so-called) “FREE” WILLS, who (choses) on their Own to follow God, God fordid GOD should have anythoing to do with it because that would make them a “ROBOT”. So their salvation must come from them, that is if they on their own (WANT) to go along with GOD. They are a GOD unto themselves and Have no true understanding of GOD or HIS POWER, These are those who Profess GOD (BUT) Deny (HIS) POWER, even the POWER of GOD to Convert the Hearts and Mind of Whom ever (HE) Choses to. They Think They Must give GOD Permission to DO What He Wants to DO with his creation. As i said before they are (I) GOD'S, and have not submitted themselves to the will of GOD, but maintain their own POWER of Choice and therefore are there own GODS. These are what it is speaking about when it say “there is a way the (SEEMS) right unto a man but the end there of is sin and death”. “FOR GOD DOES (ALL) THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF (HIS) OWN WILL” , except for them of course GOD Must first get their (PERMISSION) FORM THEIR WILLS FIRST.
SF………..I do not have a “FREE” Will I have a (INFLUENCED WILL) Nor do you. Questions who and what is (INFLUENCING) YOUR WILL.
peace and love……………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,02:11) Chosenone………There are two types of mind set here, one believe GOD is in (COMPLETE) control of all things and their Will's must be put to death and conform to GOD'S WILL, by the operation of GOD'S Holy Spirit and those who think (THEY) BY their (so-called) “FREE” WILLS, who (choses) on their Own to follow God, God fordid GOD should have anythoing to do with it because that would make them a “ROBOT”. So their salvation must come from them, that is if they on their own (WANT) to go along with GOD. They are a GOD unto themselves and Have no true understanding of GOD or HIS POWER, These are those who Profess GOD (BUT) Deny (HIS) POWER, even the POWER of GOD to Convert the Hearts and Mind of Whom ever (HE) Choses to. They Think They Must give GOD Permission to DO What He Wants to DO with his creation. As i said before they are (I) GOD'S, and have not submitted themselves to the will of GOD, but maintain their own POWER of Choice and therefore are there own GODS. These are what it is speaking about when it say “there is a way the (SEEMS) right unto a man but the end there of is sin and death”. “FOR GOD DOES (ALL) THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF (HIS) OWN WILL” , except for them of course GOD Must first get their (PERMISSION) FORM THEIR WILLS FIRST.
Hi Gene,It's our “Free Will“ choice to put the {εγω ειμι} ego eimi to death in our self.
The “HolySpirit” helps us to put this (old man) 'i am' to death! (Click Here)
The will of the HolySpirit controlling our life… …is the “New Man”!Galatians 2:20 'i am' crucified with Christ: nevertheless “I” live…
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ……….So as I said you at sometime decided and Give GOD Permission first by your OWN SO CALLED “FREE WILLS” right. My how righteous you “FREE” Weller's are> So produce ONE Scripture that Say YOU Save your selves by your (OWN) personal “FREE WILLS” then will talk. You way of salvation is not found anywhere in scriptures.> My bibles say while we were yet sinners GOD Saved Us.
Peace and love……………………….gene
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