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Hi All,
By one man’s disobedience many were made sinners and through that offence many be dead. So this begs me to ask another question that maybe I should have actually asked first,
Why/how is it that God made many to be sinners because of the disobedience of one man, where that offense also caused many to be dead?
Romans 5:17 For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is BY ONE MAN, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
You love to attack the strawman.
I don’t deny that Jesus Christ became a man.
But you won’t accept the scriptures that speaks about his divinity.
So it is YOU who ignores much of God’s Word.You love to attack the strawman.
I don’t deny that Jesus Christ became a man.
But you won’t accept the scriptures that speaks about his divinity.
So it is YOU who ignores much of God’s Word.Hi LU,
YOU:
There needed to be “an event” because God is not only loving and merciful but is also just and gave mankind a fine to pay, if you will, for our sin. No one could pay their fine, so since the fine had to be paid through the shedding of blood (as per the Father’s plan), the Father sent His Son to take on flesh (which is how the pre-existent Son could shed blood), prove His perfect and willing obedience, even unto a cruel death of the cross. The bloodshed of the innocent Son who took on the sins of the world, paid the fine that the Father required for the atonement to be possible. The Son became our righteousness and is called YHVH our Righteousness.
ME:
Thank you for giving more detail of your understanding to draw to the heart of my question and I appreciate how you were aligning your understanding with known aspects to certain scriptures.
I will respond with passages that I see create a much different picture.
Hi To all
“I lay down My life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.”
While as a member of the human family He was mortal, AS GOD HE WAS THE FOUNTAIN OF LIFE FOR THE WORLD. HE COULD HAVE WITHSTOOD THE ADVANCES OF DEATH, AND REFUSED TO COME UNDER ITS DOMINION;
BUT VOLUNTARILY HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE,
that He might bring life and immortality to light.
He bore the sin of the world, endured its curse, yielded up His life as a sacrifice, that men might not eternally die.
“Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows….
He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him;
and with His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;
and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.” Isaiah 53:4-6. {DA 484.1}
Hi Jodi,
Well, what about your false accusation.
You said to me “But IGNORE His WORD prior and afterward in Romans 5 as well as elsewhere????”I don’t ignore God’s Word. I certainly accept all of Scripture!!!!
Jodi, tell me where do I ignore God’s Word?Hi Danny,
Your answer was “because God said so” and you gave one verse out of Romans 5 where God is saying so, but it’s directly according to what He said before and after that verse as well as from other passages from other chapters in the bible.
By you saying the explanation is “because God said so” directly tells me that you are ignoring His word where He does give understanding as to why our sins would be forgiven through Jesus dying on the cross.
Jodi…….I see where you are going with this, so i am not going to take your thunder, I will give my understanding at the end, stay on course , because this is something that all need to understand. Make sure you explain how “one” mans sin, made us all sinners, in what way and how did that happened, because that reaches the core of the truth of why we became sinners.
peace and love to you and yours………gene
Hi Jodi,
I don’t ignore God’s Word.
I certainly believe that Jesus Christ became a man.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.1 John 5: 1
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and whoever loves the one who begot also loves him WHAT IS COMMITTED from HIMThis does not speak of her birth in Bethlehem by Mary because Mary is a she and not an He.
Danny….YOUR STILL UNDERSTANDING IT WRONG, “no word”, word “itself” can become flesh, why?, because word are spirit , remember what Jesus said? “The word I am telling you “are” spirit? Jesus Christ was not a Spirit, he was a flesh and blood human being just like us. If you understood that, them you would understand , what that scripture was truly saying, it is saying , the word of God (as prophesied came into being) it was, the flesh man Jesus. It is not saying Jesus Christ “IS” God’s word “HIMSELF”, it is saying the flesh man Jesus Christ is the result of the word of GOD, that came into existence, GET IT?
peace and love to you and yours……..gene
Gene: Well, it is one sentence.
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…”
Who dwelt among us?
“and we beheld His glory…”
Whose glory?
“the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
This is clearly talking about Jesus!Hi Gene,
Thank you for all your support, I don’t think I tell you enough, but it is so much appreciated and very helpful!
This is a bit of a challenge as there are several components that scripture lays out for one to be able to understand this topic completely and see the full picture. God really revealed it to Paul as he speaks to it extensively, but it seems that so much of his word from God just goes over these peoples heads going in one ear and directly out of the other.
I wish I wasn’t so busy lately with other things that I could currently take more time on this. Of course the challenge is I don’t usually make a post without first spending a few hours doing a personal bible study. Feel free to share at any time! Yes, thank you I will make sure that I explain how one man’s sin made us all sinners.
Hello All,
This is HUGE, who has understanding?
Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed (Chrio “to anoint” to be the Christos “anointed”) me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Ephesians 2: 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
1 Corinthians 15: 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Ephesians 4: 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Ephesians 5: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
What we learn from scripture,
To be carnally minded is death, because the carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
As we bare the image of the first human we likewise can bare the image of the second.
Don’t forget YHVH our one God the Father knew of this before time began!
By the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation, and the reason being is because all humans are of a carnal mind and therefore any human would have committed that same offense, as no one is able of their own self to be obedient to God and follow His commands.
By the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life, and the reason being is because any human who has the fullness of the Spirit of God, that anointing, is able to be fully obedient as God is causing them to walk in all His ways.
Hi Jodi,
Do you think that the “righteousness of one” is sufficient to cover our failures or do we need to attain our own righteousness to be at one with God?
Hi Jodi
You
By the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life, and the reason being is because any human who has the fullness of the Spirit of God, that anointing, is able to be fully obedient as God is causing them to walk in all His ways.
Me
By the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life ….ok
and the reason being is because any human who has the fullness of the Spirit of God,
What you say next:
“and the reason is that every human being who has the fullness of the Spirit of God, …..”I do not see the connection with the verse of Paul.
Can you explain a little better?
Because for me the cause of Christ’s free gift of righteousness is HIS LOVE FOR USGod protects you
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