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You love to attack the strawman.
I don’t deny that Jesus Christ became a man.
But you won’t accept the scriptures that speaks about his divinity.
So it is YOU who ignores much of God’s Word.You love to attack the strawman.
I don’t deny that Jesus Christ became a man.
But you won’t accept the scriptures that speaks about his divinity.
So it is YOU who ignores much of God’s Word.Hi LU,
YOU:
There needed to be “an event” because God is not only loving and merciful but is also just and gave mankind a fine to pay, if you will, for our sin. No one could pay their fine, so since the fine had to be paid through the shedding of blood (as per the Father’s plan), the Father sent His Son to take on flesh (which is how the pre-existent Son could shed blood), prove His perfect and willing obedience, even unto a cruel death of the cross. The bloodshed of the innocent Son who took on the sins of the world, paid the fine that the Father required for the atonement to be possible. The Son became our righteousness and is called YHVH our Righteousness.
ME:
Thank you for giving more detail of your understanding to draw to the heart of my question and I appreciate how you were aligning your understanding with known aspects to certain scriptures.
I will respond with passages that I see create a much different picture.
Hi To all
“I lay down My life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.”
While as a member of the human family He was mortal, AS GOD HE WAS THE FOUNTAIN OF LIFE FOR THE WORLD. HE COULD HAVE WITHSTOOD THE ADVANCES OF DEATH, AND REFUSED TO COME UNDER ITS DOMINION;
BUT VOLUNTARILY HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE,
that He might bring life and immortality to light.
He bore the sin of the world, endured its curse, yielded up His life as a sacrifice, that men might not eternally die.
“Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows….
He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him;
and with His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;
and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.” Isaiah 53:4-6. {DA 484.1}
Hi Jodi,
Well, what about your false accusation.
You said to me “But IGNORE His WORD prior and afterward in Romans 5 as well as elsewhere????”I don’t ignore God’s Word. I certainly accept all of Scripture!!!!
Jodi, tell me where do I ignore God’s Word?Hi Danny,
Your answer was “because God said so” and you gave one verse out of Romans 5 where God is saying so, but it’s directly according to what He said before and after that verse as well as from other passages from other chapters in the bible.
By you saying the explanation is “because God said so” directly tells me that you are ignoring His word where He does give understanding as to why our sins would be forgiven through Jesus dying on the cross.
Jodi…….I see where you are going with this, so i am not going to take your thunder, I will give my understanding at the end, stay on course , because this is something that all need to understand. Make sure you explain how “one” mans sin, made us all sinners, in what way and how did that happened, because that reaches the core of the truth of why we became sinners.
peace and love to you and yours………gene
Hi Jodi,
I don’t ignore God’s Word.
I certainly believe that Jesus Christ became a man.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.1 John 5: 1
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and whoever loves the one who begot also loves him WHAT IS COMMITTED from HIMThis does not speak of her birth in Bethlehem by Mary because Mary is a she and not an He.
Danny….YOUR STILL UNDERSTANDING IT WRONG, “no word”, word “itself” can become flesh, why?, because word are spirit , remember what Jesus said? “The word I am telling you “are” spirit? Jesus Christ was not a Spirit, he was a flesh and blood human being just like us. If you understood that, them you would understand , what that scripture was truly saying, it is saying , the word of God (as prophesied came into being) it was, the flesh man Jesus. It is not saying Jesus Christ “IS” God’s word “HIMSELF”, it is saying the flesh man Jesus Christ is the result of the word of GOD, that came into existence, GET IT?
peace and love to you and yours……..gene
Gene: Well, it is one sentence.
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…”
Who dwelt among us?
“and we beheld His glory…”
Whose glory?
“the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
This is clearly talking about Jesus!Hi Gene,
Thank you for all your support, I don’t think I tell you enough, but it is so much appreciated and very helpful!
This is a bit of a challenge as there are several components that scripture lays out for one to be able to understand this topic completely and see the full picture. God really revealed it to Paul as he speaks to it extensively, but it seems that so much of his word from God just goes over these peoples heads going in one ear and directly out of the other.
I wish I wasn’t so busy lately with other things that I could currently take more time on this. Of course the challenge is I don’t usually make a post without first spending a few hours doing a personal bible study. Feel free to share at any time! Yes, thank you I will make sure that I explain how one man’s sin made us all sinners.
Hello All,
This is HUGE, who has understanding?
Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed (Chrio “to anoint” to be the Christos “anointed”) me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Ephesians 2: 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
1 Corinthians 15: 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Ephesians 4: 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Ephesians 5: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
What we learn from scripture,
To be carnally minded is death, because the carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
As we bare the image of the first human we likewise can bare the image of the second.
Don’t forget YHVH our one God the Father knew of this before time began!
By the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation, and the reason being is because all humans are of a carnal mind and therefore any human would have committed that same offense, as no one is able of their own self to be obedient to God and follow His commands.
By the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life, and the reason being is because any human who has the fullness of the Spirit of God, that anointing, is able to be fully obedient as God is causing them to walk in all His ways.
Hi Jodi,
Do you think that the “righteousness of one” is sufficient to cover our failures or do we need to attain our own righteousness to be at one with God?
Hi Jodi
You
By the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life, and the reason being is because any human who has the fullness of the Spirit of God, that anointing, is able to be fully obedient as God is causing them to walk in all His ways.
Me
By the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life ….ok
and the reason being is because any human who has the fullness of the Spirit of God,
What you say next:
“and the reason is that every human being who has the fullness of the Spirit of God, …..”I do not see the connection with the verse of Paul.
Can you explain a little better?
Because for me the cause of Christ’s free gift of righteousness is HIS LOVE FOR USGod protects you
Hi LU,
YOU:
Can you show me these five words together in scripture:
YHVH our one God the Father
ME:
The NT does not specifically use the NAME of our “One God, the Father”, but the NT does directly reference His NAME that we do see repeatedly used throughout the OT. YHVH is His name and His Son’s name is Jesus.
Jesus’s name means YHVH is salvation, which is similar to Isaiah’s name that means YHVH has saved.
We also have John’s name that means YHVH is a gracious giver and Jeremiah’s name that means whom YHVH has appointed.
YHVH’s name means the Existing One
John 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Isaiah 61: 1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD (YHVH) hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted*, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
LU, we wait for the return of the Son of Man whom our One God the Father YHVH ordained to be our judge. When this son of Jesse returns to fulfill Isaiah’s prophecy, he thus does not judge by his own eyes and ears, he judges through the glory of the Spirit of YHVH our Father that is upon him.
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth😉
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
LU, when the Son of Man whom God ordained to be our judge returns he is STILL doing all things according to the Will of his God and our God, His Father and our Father. He is STILL doing all things in the name of our One God and Father YHVH. He is STILL doing all things through the Spirit of YHVH to which he had by promise received when he was raised from the dead.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Read it again!
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall MAKE him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. 10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
1 Chronicles 17: 11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore. 15 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David. 16 And David the king came and sat before the LORD, and said, Who am I, O LORD God, and what is mine house, that thou hast brought me hitherto? 17 And yet this was a small thing in thine eyes, O God; for thou hast also spoken of thy servant’s house for a great while to come, and hast regarded me according to the estate of a man of high degree, O LORD God. 18 What can David speak more to thee for the honour of thy servant? for thou knowest thy servant. 19 O LORD, for thy servant’s sake, and according to thine own heart, hast thou done all this greatness, in making known all these great things. 20 O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 21 And what one nation in the earth is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people, to make thee a name of greatness and terribleness, by driving out nations from before thy people, whom thou hast redeemed out of Egypt? 22 For thy people Israel didst thou make thine own people for ever; and thou, LORD, becamest their God. 23 Therefore now, LORD, let the thing that thou hast spoken concerning thy servant and concerning his house be established for ever, and do as thou hast said. 24 Let it even be established, that thy name may be magnified for ever, saying, The LORD of hosts is the God of Israel, even a God to Israel: and let the house of David thy servant be established before thee. 25 For thou, O my God, hast told thy servant that thou wilt build him an house: therefore thy servant hath found in his heart to pray before thee. 26 And now, LORD, thou art God, and hast promised this goodness unto thy servant: 27 Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever.
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Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. 35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Our One God and Father’s NAME is YHVH.
“O YHVH, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee”
David’s seed IS NOT YHVH. David’s seed was raised from the dead and was given the Holy Spirit and the mercies of David BY YHVH, who is our ONE TRUE GOD THE FATHER.
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