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[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 14 2012,10:51)

[ j42 you got carry away ;let go back a little ;answer this to me ;; IN WITCH WAY WAS OR IS CHRIST SIMILAR TO MELCHIZEDEK ACCORDING TO PAUL LETTER

Pierre

Christ is similar, because he was is the FIRST KING when he appeared as Melchizedek.
“After the ORDER of Melchizedek”
The Priesthood. King and High Priest.
Is there another King besides Christ?
Did someone else come first?
Christ is the preeminence.
The first of everything.

What do you not understand about Melchizedek not having Mother or Father? Not traceable, no lineage?
just appearing, and then disappearing?

Pierre I know it's hard to comprehend right now, but when you get it, you will understand.

[journey42]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2012,11:39)

I must say though, Melchizadek is quite the mystery.  But remember that Paul only had the scriptures to go by, just like us.  And, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, there is no RECORDED birth, death, father, or descendents of Melchizadek.  That doesn't mean he didn't have these things.  There are many people in the scripture that we don't know these things about. But then again, he could be another like Elijah, who was taken up to be with God, and will live forever.  Who really knows?  After all, what do we really know about the birth or descendents of Elijah?

Mike

Was Elijah ever called the King of Righteousness, and the King of Peace?

[mikeboll64]

No journey, he wasn't.

But how do you ignore the two times Jesus is said to be LIKE Melchizadek? Or the fact that he is said to be “ANOTHER” priest? Or that he is said to be a priest “IN THE ORDER OF” Melchizadek.

I can't just ignore these things.

peace,
mike

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 14 2012,19:05)

Quote (terraria @ Aug. 14 2012,10:51) [ j42 you got carry away ;let go back a little ;answer this to me ;; IN WITCH WAY WAS OR IS CHRIST SIMILAR TO MELCHIZEDEK ACCORDING TO PAUL LETTER Pierre Christ is similar, because he was is the FIRST KING when he appeared as Melchizedek.   “After the ORDER of Melchizedek” The Priesthood.  King and High Priest. Is there another King besides Christ? Did someone else come first? Christ is the preeminence. The first of everything. What do you not understand about Melchizedek not having Mother or Father?  Not traceable, no lineage? just appearing, and then disappearing? Pierre I know it's hard to comprehend right now, but when you get it, you will understand.

j42

YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION SO i WILL ANSWER IT ;

Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

this is what Paul is talking about to the Hebrews ,a bout a new priesthood in the order (like ) Melchizedek,

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

so to achieve the priesthood the law also as to change.

Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

Heb 7:17 For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”

Ps 110:4 The LORD has sworn
and will not change his mind:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”

this is a prophecy ,that Paul explains ,but in no condition did he connect Christ to be Melchizedek,

ONLY “LIKE ” OR “SIMILITUDE ,SIMILAR ”

but you take the conclusion that he was the Son of God ,just for asking what difference would it make if it was so ???what truth is in there

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 14 2012,12:41)

j42 YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION SO i WILL ANSWER IT ; Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? this is what Paul is talking about to the Hebrews ,a bout a new priesthood in the order (like ) Melchizedek, Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. so to achieve the priesthood the law also as to change. Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. Heb 7:17 For it is declared: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” Ps 110:4 The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” this is a prophecy ,that Paul explains ,but in no condition did he connect Christ to be Melchizedek, ONLY “LIKE ” OR “SIMILITUDE ,SIMILAR ” but you take the conclusion that he was the Son of God ,just for asking what difference would it make if it was so ???what truth is in there

Pierre

Maybe someone else can explain it to you better then.
Melchizedek is the WORD transformed into the flesh
Jesus is the WORD born out of woman.

SAME WORD ….

JESUS IS THE FIRST KING, AND THE LAST KING
ALPHA & THE OMEGA
FIRST AND THE LAST

I WAS SHOWN THIS JUST ONCE, A VERY LONG TIME AGO. IT IS NOT NEW TO ME. IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT YET, FOR I HAVE PATIENCE, BUT IF YOU INSINUATE THAT WE LIE, OR MAKE UP THE SCRIPTURES THEN WE HAVE TO KEEP REPEATING THE SCRIPTURES AND THE FACTS OVER AND OVER UNTIL YOU GET IT OR GIVE UP, FOR ONLY GOD CAN MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND, AND THERE IS A FAMINE IN THE LAND (CHRISTIAN WORLD)
HOW CAN I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WHEN YOU DO NOT GET IT YET YOURSELF?

NOW Pierre, answer me this please?
Was Jesus made perfect after the likeness of some-one else?

[terraricca]

j42

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NOW Pierre, answer me this please? Was Jesus made perfect after the likeness of some-one else?

NO, why would it be

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 14 2012,10:16)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 14 2012,09:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 14 2012,00:28) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 13 2012,21:21) Hi Georgie, Christ returned on Pentecost.  (Link) God bless Ed J EdJ. Where does it say in scripture(christ returned on pantecost? wakeup. Hi Wakeup, John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him. God bless Ed J EDJ. You are avoiding my question again and again. Where does it say Jesus came back at pantecost? wakeup.

Hi Wake-up, “Christ” (in spirit form) returned on Pentecost.

“Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2012,11:39)

I must say though, Melchizadek is quite the mystery.  But remember that Paul only had the scriptures to go by, just like us.  And, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, there is no RECORDED birth, death, father, or descendents of Melchizadek.  That doesn't mean he didn't have these things.  There are many people in the scripture that we don't know these things about. But then again, he could be another like Elijah, who was taken up to be with God, and will live forever.  Who really knows?  After all, what do we really know about the birth or descendents of Elijah?

Hi Mike, (Joshua 10:13 / 2Samuel 1:18)

Melchizedek was Shem;
is this not written in the “Book of Jasher”? (Jasher 16:11-12)     <– why "YES" it is

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 14 2012,18:38)

Melchizedek was Shem; is this not written in the “Book of Jasher”? (Jasher 16:11-12)     <– why "YES" it is God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed

This book of Jasher must be wrong, saying he is Shem
because the holy bible says that Melchezidek had no mother or father.
CONTRADICTION
hello?

[Ed J]

Hi Georgie,

I pulled up the Melchizedek thread for you.  (Link)
Pastor Charles Jennings does a 14 part video series on Melchizedek.
 
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 14 2012,21:06)

Hi Georgie, I pulled up the Melchizedek thread for you.  (Link) Pastor Charles Jennings does a 14 part video series on Melchizedek.   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Thanks Ed,
It's ok, I've got the scriptures.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2012,12:34)

No journey, he wasn't. But how do you ignore the two times Jesus is said to be LIKE Melchizadek?  Or the fact that he is said to be “ANOTHER” priest?  Or that he is said to be a priest “IN THE ORDER OF” Melchizadek. I can't just ignore these things. peace, mike

Mikeb.

When Melchisedek appeared as a man,a high prist,he has to be of the tribe of Judah: But he is not He is of none those tribes.

As far as me; I believe that there is no king of righteousness and peace but Jesus. He is second to none.

As far as me; Jesus is the very first king of Jeru(city) salem(peace).
He will come back to take back what was his, from the beginning, for that was virgin land.

Maybe this is a bit too much the comprehend the mysteries of God.

I also believe that in everything Jesus is preeminance.(col:18).
He is second to none.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2012,12:34)

No journey, he wasn't. But how do you ignore the two times Jesus is said to be LIKE Melchizadek?  Or the fact that he is said to be “ANOTHER” priest?  Or that he is said to be a priest “IN THE ORDER OF” Melchizadek. I can't just ignore these things. peace, mike

Mike B.

?? Jesus is of the order of melchisedek,and Melchisedek was the word himself.

Consider this: The womb he came out of, was a virgin womb.
The colt he was riding, has never been ridden before.
The tomb he was buried in has never been used before.
There has never been a king in salem before Melchisedek.
Jesus was Melchisedek,Jesus was the first king in salem,now Jerusalem.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 15 2012,06:50)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2012,12:34) No journey, he wasn't. But how do you ignore the two times Jesus is said to be LIKE Melchizedek?  Or the fact that he is said to be “ANOTHER” priest?  Or that he is said to be a priest “IN THE ORDER OF” Melchizedek. I can't just ignore these things. peace, mike Mike B. ?? Jesus is of the order of melchizedek,and Melchizedek was the word himself. Consider this: The womb he came out of, was a virgin womb. The colt he was riding, has never been ridden before. The tomb he was buried in has never been used before. There has never been a king in salem before Melchisedek. Jesus was Melchizedek,Jesus was the first king in salem,now Jerusalem. wake up.

wup

why do you make your story overcome the truth in scriptures

this is not the way in truth ,men does not run Gods written words

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2012,03:14)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 15 2012,06:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2012,12:34) No journey, he wasn't. But how do you ignore the two times Jesus is said to be LIKE Melchizedek?  Or the fact that he is said to be “ANOTHER” priest?  Or that he is said to be a priest “IN THE ORDER OF” Melchizedek. I can't just ignore these things. peace, mike Mike B. ?? Jesus is of the order of melchizedek,and Melchizedek was the word himself. Consider this: The womb he came out of, was a virgin womb. The colt he was riding, has never been ridden before. The tomb he was buried in has never been used before. There has never been a king in salem before Melchisedek. Jesus was Melchizedek,Jesus was the first king in salem,now Jerusalem. wake up. wup why do you make your story overcome the truth in scriptures this is not the way in truth ,men does not run Gods written words

Terra.

?? Is that not the truth? or was that all made up?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 15 2012,14:02)

Quote (terraria @ Aug. 15 2012,03:14) Quote (Wake Up @ Aug. 15 2012,06:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2012,12:34) No journey, he wasn't. But how do you ignore the two times Jesus is said to be LIKE Melchizedek?  Or the fact that he is said to be “ANOTHER” priest?  Or that he is said to be a priest “IN THE ORDER OF” Melchizedek. I can't just ignore these things. peace, mike Mike B. ?? Jesus is of the order of melchizedek,and Melchizedek was the word himself. Consider this: The womb he came out of, was a virgin womb. The colt he was riding, has never been ridden before. The tomb he was buried in has never been used before. There has never been a king in salem before Melchisedek. Jesus was Melchizedek,Jesus was the first king in salem,now Jerusalem. wake up. wup why do you make your story overcome the truth in scriptures this is not the way in truth ,men does not run Gods written words Terra. ?? Is that not the truth? or was that all made up? wake up.

wup

what I meant is that you took some truth but make stick to what is not true and so make it a truth ,but it is only a truth in men mind not in Gods written word

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 14 2012,21:07)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 14 2012,21:06) Hi Georgie, I pulled up the Melchizedek thread for you.  (Link) Pastor Charles Jennings does a 14 part video series on Melchizedek.   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Thanks Ed, It's ok, I've got the scriptures.

“Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:” (Gen 2:16)

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 14 2012,06:35)

Maybe this is a bit too much the comprehend the mysteries of God.

Heb 7:11
………why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

If Jesus was a priest “in the order of Aaron”, would you think he WAS Aaron?  Of course not.

Wakeup, I don't want to ruffle your feathers here, but as far as I'm concerned, even though Melchizadek remains a mystery, there is no proof he was “the Word”, while there IS evidence to suggest that he was not.  

Jesus was LIKE Mechizadek, IN THE ORDER OF Melchizadek, and ANOTHER priest that was to come after Melchizadek.  To me, those things make it clear that Jesus and Melchizadek are two different people.

Also, you say Jesus is “second to none”?  How about to his own God, Jehovah?  

(BTW, “preeminent” is just the KJV word used in Col 1:18.  The actual Greek words are, “in order that he may become in all things, himself, first.” )

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 15 2012,12:03)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 14 2012,06:35) Maybe this is a bit too much the comprehend the mysteries of God. Heb 7:11 ………why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? If Jesus was a priest “in the order of Aaron”, would you think he WAS Aaron?  Of course not. Wakeup, I don't want to ruffle your feathers here, but as far as I'm concerned, even though Melchizadek remains a mystery, there is no proof he was “the Word”, while there IS evidence to suggest that he was not.   Jesus was LIKE Mechizadek, IN THE ORDER OF Melchizadek, and ANOTHER priest that was to come after Melchizadek.  To me, those things make it clear that Jesus and Melchizadek are two different people. Also, you say Jesus is “second to none”?  How about to his own God, Jehovah?   (BTW, “preeminent” is just the KJV word used in Col 1:18.  The actual Greek words are, “in order that he may become in all things, himself, first.” )

Mike

So what you are saying is that Jesus is second to Melchizadek, so Jesus is following after Melchizadek? So that makes him second?
And you are saying that Melchizadek was the first king in Salem, and Jesus will be the second king ruling in Jerusalem? Is that what you are saying?

How about Col 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
(preeminence = excelling all others)

Wakeup

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2012,09:01)

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 14 2012,21:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 14 2012,21:06) Hi Georgie, I pulled up the Melchizedek thread for you.  (Link) Pastor Charles Jennings does a 14 part video series on Melchizedek.   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Thanks Ed, It's ok, I've got the scriptures. “Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:” (Gen 2:16)

EDJ

What is that all about? Are you confused?

Wakeup

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