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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,17:56) Hi,
The WORD was with God and the WORD was God.
Scripture does not add SENTIENT PERSONS but men do.
No Nick,God Himself cannot be WITH God Himself. The Word was a god who was with THE God in the beginning. That's why there is only ONE theos preceeded by the definite article in John 1:1. One of the TWO theos mentioned was THE God, and the other god was WITH Him.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,18:03) Hi T,
The Word is the Spirit of Christ
Nickwould this mean that before the beginning God had no spirit of Christ
Hi,
The Word was with God and the Word was God
No need for another god.The Spirit of Christ is ever one with God
If the Word was WITH the God, then it is impossible for the Word to BE the God.
This is just common sense. Nick, like many, many others, you have been blinded by the Trinitarian translation of John 1:1 that has endured with Satan's help through the years.
When God says to the Israelites, “I will be WITH you”, would you confuse the Israelites for the God who is WITH them? Of course not.
But people go to great and illogical lengths to maintain their own imagined doctrines.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,18:55) Hi ,
Some would argue with John using human logic.
Best to listen to the Spirit in him
Nickthis is what Satan did to Eve ,he says DO NOT LISTEN TO WHAT GOD SAYS ,GOD KNOWS THAT YOU BE SMARTER AFTER YOU EAT THE FRUIT ,AND NOTHING GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU ALL BALONEY ,ME SATAN KNOW ALL THINGS TRUST ME ,
AS HISTORY SAYS SHE OR ADAM DID NOT ARGUE WITH SATAN JUST DO WHAT HE SAYS
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,18:55) Hi ,
Some would argue with John using human logic.
Best to listen to the Spirit in him
Nick,You are either ignoring or purposely misrepresenting the FACTS of John 1:1.
The FACT is that the anarthrous “theos” in 1:1c can be translated as the definite “THE God”, or as the indefinite “a god”. This is the undeniable FACT of the matter.
We must translate in the way that fits the context of the scripture. And there is no way that “THE God” could have been WITH “THE God”.
Even the 25 Trinitarian scholars from NETNotes know this – despite the fact that they'd love nothing better than to be able to say that 1:1 is a proof that Jesus is “THE God”. But instead they know that:
The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)
Why is it that I understand this, and Pierre understands this, and the 25 Trinitarian scholars from NETNotes understand this – but you don't?
So you can plug your ears and shield you eyes from this FACT if you want to, but we know better.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,19:13) Hi T,
Yes trusting the Spirit is not easy
Nickyou talk like you know the spirit ,but you do not say anything about it ?
this is strange to say the least, SO TELL ME WHAT IS THAT SPIRIT ???IN WITCH WE MUST PUT OUR TRUST???
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,21:47) Hi T,
You must be born again to know the Spirit.
nICKNOW i KNOW YOU HARDLY KNOW MORE THAN WHAT IS WRITTEN AND YOU CAN READ IN SCRIPTURES,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,12:37) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,18:55) Hi ,
Some would argue with John using human logic.
Best to listen to the Spirit in him
Nick,You are either ignoring or purposely misrepresenting the FACTS of John 1:1.
The FACT is that the anarthrous “theos” in 1:1c can be translated as the definite “THE God”, or as the indefinite “a god”. This is the undeniable FACT of the matter.
We must translate in the way that fits the context of the scripture. And there is no way that “THE God” could have been WITH “THE God”.
Even the 25 Trinitarian scholars from NETNotes know this – despite the fact that they'd love nothing better than to be able to say that 1:1 is a proof that Jesus is “THE God”. But instead they know that:
The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)
Why is it that I understand this, and Pierre understands this, and the 25 Trinitarian scholars from NETNotes understand this – but you don't?
So you can plug your ears and shield you eyes from this FACT if you want to, but we know better.
Hi Mike,You are attempting to cancel at least two Scriptures (John 1:1 and Isaiah 44:8)
with your rudimentary logic. Your quest dissuade others is getting no-where.(John 1:1) “The Word” was God.
(Isaiah 44:8) “Ye are even my witnesses.
Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no other God;”
We(Me and others) are witnesses of God, there is no other GOD!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 21 2012,01:44) Hi T,
Your perceptions belong to you.
Nickthat is true ,but it is the reason why I can see it that is key,
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2012,06:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,12:37) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,18:55) Hi ,
Some would argue with John using human logic.
Best to listen to the Spirit in him
Nick,You are either ignoring or purposely misrepresenting the FACTS of John 1:1.
The FACT is that the anarthrous “theos” in 1:1c can be translated as the definite “THE God”, or as the indefinite “a god”. This is the undeniable FACT of the matter.
We must translate in the way that fits the context of the scripture. And there is no way that “THE God” could have been WITH “THE God”.
Even the 25 Trinitarian scholars from NETNotes know this – despite the fact that they'd love nothing better than to be able to say that 1:1 is a proof that Jesus is “THE God”. But instead they know that:
The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)
Why is it that I understand this, and Pierre understands this, and the 25 Trinitarian scholars from NETNotes understand this – but you don't?
So you can plug your ears and shield you eyes from this FACT if you want to, but we know better.
Hi Mike,You are attempting to cancel at least two Scriptures (John 1:1 and Isaiah 44:8)
with your rudimentary logic. Your quest dissuade others is getting no-where.(John 1:1) “The Word” was God.
(Isaiah 44:8) “Ye are even my witnesses.
Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no other God;”
We(Me and others) are witnesses of God, there is no other GOD!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjQuote (John 1:1) “The Word” was God. WAS
?so no longer is
?Hi T,
The Word was God in the beginning is what scripture teaches.
The Spirit of Christ is forever of God and in God.
Jesus brought us into Him too.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 21 2012,11:20) Hi T,
The Word was God in the beginning is what scripture teaches.
The Spirit of Christ is forever of God and in God.
Jesus brought us into Him too.
nickyou are limiting your self in understanding because you do not believe that the Christ came in the flesh .
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