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Gene,
JESUS DID NOT SAY THEY WERE STILL ALIVE “LIVING” TO GOD, JESUS SAID GOD IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING NOT THE DEAD. THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING THOSE WHO DIED WERE STILL A LIVE. IF THE DEAD’S THOUGHTS “PERISH” HOW COULD THEY HAVE ANY GOD.
So Scripture is broken according to you.
God clearly tells Moses that he is the God of Abraham and Isaac even as the bodies of those two lay destroyed in their burial place. Since God is not the God he cannot be their God according to you and yet he told Moses he was. In short your teaching indirectly accuses God of lying.
Kerwin…..I AM NOT SAYING GOD IS LYING , WHAT I AM SAYING YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS MEANT BY THAT SAYING IS WRONG, THERE IS NO MAN RAISED FROM THE GRAVE TO ETERNAL LIFE, BUT “ONE” AND THAT MAN JESUS, IS THE FIRST TO ATTAIN THAT STATUS, NO ONE ELSE HAS YET BUT HIM “ONLY”. Your AND NICKS PLATONIC GREEK concepts, of a contine lving SOUL after death is false. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
Hi GB,
So we are not going to follow the Master?
You are sadly deceived by your love of your own ideas.
Nick…. if you were “FOLLOWING” the master, you would know when a person dies he stays dead untill the resurection of tne dead. He is in a state of total unconsciousness. His thought are perished According to scriptures i have posted for you, but you still refuse to believe them, instead you press on with you GREEK INDROCTRINE OF THE EMORTAL SOULS.
1 COR 15:13…..BUT IF THERE BE NO “RESURECTION” OF THE “DEAD”, THEN IS CHRIST NOT “RISEN”
INTERESTING, PAUL SEEMS TO THINK THERE IS A “RESURECTION” OF “THE DEAD”. BUT YOU THINK THEIR ALREADY RISEN, ALREADY ALIVE AND LIVING THERE IS NO FUTURE RESURECTION OF ANY WHO DIED IN IN GOD, THEY ARE ALREADY RESURECTED. SO JESUS IS NOT THE FIRST ONE RESURECTED TO ETERNAL LIFE FROM THE GRAVE. But ABRAHAM, ISACC, JACOB, MOSES, ELIGHA, AND OTHERS ALSO ARE RIGHT? SO SCRIPTURE IS LYING TO US WHEN IT SAY JESUS IS THE FIRST RESURECT TO LIFE FROM THE GRAVE. BUT MY SCRIPTURES SAY JESUS IS THE FIRST AND AFTER HIM THOSE THAT ARE HIS,”at his comming” AND ALSO “JESUS IS THE FIRSTBORN OF MANY BRETHERN”, ARE THESE ALL LIES TO YOU PEOPLE, ARE YOU IGORNATE OF WHAT SCRIPTURE IS TRULY SAYING, YOU seem UNABLE TO PUT THEM TOGETHER?
peace and love toyou and yours……………..gene
Hi GB,
Your attempts to make scripture argue with itself to justify your false teachings do you no credit
Hi GB,
Where did I say anyone apart from Yeshua has risen?
Those who sleep in death but are alive in the Spirit awaken at his return
Jn 5
“an hour is coming when the dead will hear the voice of God and those who hear will live.”
Nick…..you and kerwin say, PEOPLE ares still “ALIVE” AFTER THEY HAVE DIED, THEY GO TO A PLACE OF JUDGEMENT, i say they are truly dead and are not concious of ANYTHING at all, you say MOSES AND ELIJAH actuall were present with JESUS IN THE MOUNT OF “TRANSFUGERATION”, I SAY THEY WERE NOT TRULY ALIVE THERE , BUT THAT WAS SIMPLY A “TRANSFIGURATION” TO GIVE SOME DECIPLES A GLANCE OF THE FUTURE, YOU BELIEVE THEY WERE ACTUALLY RAISED FROM THE GRAVE TO BE THERE. I SAY WHEN A MAN DIES HE IS DEAD just as the word DEAD IMPLIES, HE IS NOT ALIVE, HE HAS NO CONCIOUS THROUGHTS . YOU SAY ABRAHAM IS STILL ALIVE LIVING, I SAY HE IS “DEAD” AND IS NOT YET ALIVE, HE IS NOT RISEN, NOR IS HE LIVING AT ALL AND WILL NOT BE UNTIL HE IS RAISED FROM HIS GRAVE, IN HIS ORDER. FOR EVER MAN SHALL BE RAISED IN HIS ODER. JESUS WAS THE FIRIST ,the rest later. All other then JESUS are “DEAD” THEY ARE NOT ALIVE, Nor are they in any place of torment as you falsely assume, they will not be judged until the time of judgement after tbey are resurected. For the books shall be opened and the dead shall be judged out of those thing written in them. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Hi GB,
It was obvious you could not grasp the truth and we would hear your rationalisations.
Your dogmas rule your mind.
Gene,
God is the one that acts as if people are alive after their body dies as he is the one that stated I am the God of Abraham and Isaac even as their bodies lie in where they were interned. So either you believe 1) God is the God of the dead, 2) God lied, or 3) Abraham and Isaac were alive as God spoke to Moses. My choice is #3.
Gene,
Jesus was alive even as he laid in his grave but his body was not. He was resting in Paradise while he waited for the resurrection of his body. He was with Abraham, Isaac, and the thief who were all resting in Sheol as God is their God. If they were dead then God would not be their God.
Hi GB,
Your carnal view distorts reality.
Real life is in the Son and is eternal.
The flesh body has no future. It contributes nothing.
You have no understanding because you choose to believe your dogma that man is flesh and spirit.
Nick,
I forgot to go over it to make sure my words were typed and not just going through by head. I see if I can fix it. Thank you.
Hi GB,
You have no understanding of eternal life.
Life is in the Spirit of God not the temporary loan of the spirit of man.
Nick…. YOU HAVEN’T A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, LIFE IS IN THE SPIRIT OF MAN AND THAT SPIRIT IS OF GOD,OR HAVEN’T YOU READ WHERE SCRIPTURE SAY IF GOD WERE TO RETRACT HIS SPIRIT “ALL” FLESH WOULD DIE TOGETHER ? When you die your really not dead, ‘O’ really, SO WHY DOES SCRIPTURE SAY WHEN “WE” DIE “WE” TURN BACK TO THE DUST WHERE “WE” CAME FROM, WHY IS THERE A “BODY” RESURECTION?, If AS YOU INFER WE ARE SPIRITUALY ALIVE but the BODY IS USELESS.
FACE IT YOU HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE GREEK COMCEPTION OF THE EMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL, NO SCRIPTURE BACKS YOU UP, YOU ARE SIMPLY FORCING THE TEXT TO A CONCLUSION IT IS NOT MEANING. THERE IS NON RISEN, NO NOT ONE, ONLY JESUS THE CHRIST IS THE ONLY ONE WHO NOW HAS ETERNAL LIFE BY THE RESURECTION HIS BODY FROM THE “DEAD” AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD ADDED BACK INTO IT BY GOD THE FATHER. JESUS IS NOT AND WAS NOT A SPIRIT BEING, NOW OR EVER WILL BE. THE SPIRIT HE NOW HAS IN HIS RESURECTED FLESH BODY IS FROM GOD, AND BECAUSE OF THAT HE NOW ABIDES FOREVER, JUST AS HE SAID HE DID AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS EARTHELY BODY EXPERIENCE. HE DID NOT ACTUALLY HAVE THAT LIFE UNTIL HIS “BODY” WAS RESURECTED FROM THE DEAD. THE FIRST BODLY RESUTECTION OF MANY, FROM THE STATE OF THE DEAD, AND DEAD DOES NOT MEAN STILL ALIVE AS YOU FALSELY TEACH.
OR YOU MAY NOT HAVEREAD THIS,”IF THE SPIRIT OF HIM WHO RAISED JESUS CHRIST FROM THE DEAD, DWELL IN YOU, “IT” WILL “ALSO” QUICKEN (BRING BACK TO LIFE), WHAT? YOUR “MORTAL” “BODY”, NOW IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT A “MORTAL” “BODY” IS IT IS ” A “DEAD” “BODY”.
IF YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND A PERSON IS REALLY DEAD WHEN THEY DIE THEN TRY TALKING TO A DEAD PERSON. PERHAPS THAT MAY CONVIENCE YOU THEY ARE TRULY DEAD. WE TAKE THAT WE “SHALL” LIVE “AGAIN” BY “FAITH” IN GOD THE FATHER JUST AS JESUS DID, WE DO NOT BELIVE WE ARE STILL ALIVE WHEN WHEN WE DIE, WE BELIEVE WE WILL BE RESURECTED BACK TO LIFE AGAIN. IN A BODY JUST AS JESUS WAS. WE BELIEV WHEN WE DIE OUR SPIRIT RETURNS TO HIM WHO GAVE IT AND OUR BODIES CORRUPT IB THE GRAVE AND WE WAITE FOR THE RESURECTION THE WILL WITTINESS THE “REDEMPTION” OF OUR “BODIES” JUST AS PAUL SAID.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
Hi GB,
As I said you do not understand eternal life in the Spirit.
Your own teachings are looking threadbare.
Nick……SO SAY YOU, ARE YOU NOW ALSO A GOD? LIKE THE OTHER GOD’S YOU BELIEVE IN. NOW THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED YOU BELIEVE IN A TYPE OF “PERGITORY”, WHERE PEOPLES “SOULS” GO WHEN THEY DIE, as living beings, AND BELIEVE IN THE MULTIPSITY OF GODS, AND BELIEVE ABRAHAM, ISACC, JACOB, MOSES ELIJAH, AND SO ON ARE ALL STILL ALIVE AND LIVING WALKING AROUND IN SPIRIT BODIES. “O” and now know when people have the understanding of the spirit of life or NOT. AGAIN I SAY TO YOU YOU HAVEN’T A CLUE OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
ONE THING I WILL SAY FOR YOU THOUGH, YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM ACCUSING OTHERS OF having A LESSOR UNDERSTANDING THEM YOU THOUGH, TELL US “O” SELF APPOINTED “WISE ONE” WHO MADE YOU A JUDGE OVER ME OR ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOUR DESTORTED VIEW OF WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING.
I understand fully that the spirit does not die that it returns back to GOD WHO GAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT IF YOU BELIEVE THAT A PERSON IS STILL LIVING WHEN HE DIES YOU ARE TOTALY IGNORANT OF THE TRUTH OF WHAT SCRIPTURES SAY. “IN THE DAY A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS “PARISH”, I WAS NOT THE ONE THAT SAY THAT” BUT YOU DO DISAGREE WITH IT. SO WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU NICK?
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
Gene,
I believe the word of God and you choose not to. I believe that God called his people gods in order to reveal that they are to be superior to the human beings around and so not given to sinful practices. It is an easy thing to understand and yet you choose not to. After all when you look at an English language dictionary you see that god has more than one definition, so why do you choose to stubbornly deny it.
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