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Nick……I work with what ever i have, if it is of GOD THEN IT IS OF HIM, IF IT IS OF ME THEN IT IS OF ME, IF IT IS OF BOTH ME AND HIM, THEN ME AND HIM ARE IN AGREEMENT. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM WHAT IS IN MY HEART. BUT THEN SO DO YOU, RIGHT? IT APPEARS you have exaulted yourself above me, judging from your words addressed to me, well, so be it. LET GOD BE TRUE. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene
Hi GB,
Your words and teachings are found faulty and not aligned with the sacred words.
So you are yet your own master it seems.
Nick…..SO SAY YOU, PROVE IT, INSTEAD OF JUST MOUTHING OFF ABOUT WHAT I SAY, USE SCRIPTURE AND PROVE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. There is one thing forsure you are not my master or ever will be. Anyone who believes AS YOU, that the spirit of GOD IS NOT INTELLEGENT IS NOT IN THE TRUTH OF GOD, THAT IS FOR SURE.
peace and love to you and yours. …………..gene
Gene,
It has been proved that your words are faulty but you do accept that evidence. Any additional evidence is unnecessary since it is within you to accept the truth or not.
Kerwin……Where has what i said “proven” to be faulty?, if what i say is not scripturally baked up then reject them, but if i produce clear scriptures that say exactly what i believe they say, and i totally agree with them, how can you say my words a faulty, when they are not my words. You never have proved them faulty, but i have shown you scriptures you simply reject, and that to me is saying your the one at fault. You say all kind of things but produce no “specific” scripture support, but yet you draw dogmatic conclusions, then turn and accuse me of doing exactly what you are doing. PRODUCE THE SCRIPTURES IF THEY ARE THEIR, i don’t need your opinions, just PRODUCE SCRIPTURES that back up what you say.
I have never ask anyone here to believe me, scriptures speak for themselves. You proclaim souls are added later to a body which has the breath of life in it, but produce not one scripture that says that, and you have the nerve to say i am at fault.
NICK AND YOU BOTH DO THE SAME THING, NEITHER OF YOU ARE PRODUCING ANY SCRIPTURES TO SUPPORT YOU FALSE HYPOTHESIS, BUT JUST ACCUSE ME OF FALSE TEACHINGS, EVEN IF I PRODUCES THE SCRIPTURES IN SUPPORT OF WHAT I AGREE WITH, And whats even worse you and Nick both speak the same way to each other as you do to me. Your word as well as Nicks are both hertfull and malicious, hardly any example of true Christian fellowship. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
Hi GB,
Yes you may possibly be the only one with the truth.
But your position would have some strength if scripture agreed with you.
Otherwise you strive uselessly against the scriptures and God
Hi GB,
You demand that we prove your personal ideas false.
BUT IF YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO SCRIPTURE WHY WOULD YOU LISTEN TO US?
Nick……NOW THAT IS, JUST ANOTHER OF YOUR EXCUSES TO TAKE AWAY YOUR BURDON OF PROVING, YOUR ACCUSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE SAY. YOU SHOULDN’T MAKE YOUR ACCUSATIONS UNLESS YOU CAN SUPPORT THEM, JUST BLURTING OUT ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT ANY REASON OF PROOF OR DIALOGUE ABOUT WHY YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING OTHERS OF OR LACK OF, ONLY MAKES IT APPEAR YOU THINK YOU ARE SUPERIOR TO OTHERS HERE. YOU SIT IN YOURSELF MADE IVORY TOWER TAKING POPSHOTS AT PEOPLE WITHOUT TRUE UNDERSTANDING ONLY SHOWS YOUR ARROGANT CONTEMPT OF OTHERS, COMMING FROM YOUR ACCUSITORY SPIRIT WORKING “IN” YOU.
Hi,
2Cor 5.16
“Therefore from now on we recognise no one according to the flesh, even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him this way no longer. Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature, the old things passed away;behold new things have come”
The love of fleshly things is still strongly manifest here among us but it is of the past and not the future.
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom
Hi,
Mt 20.30
“For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven”
1Cor 7.29
“..from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none..”
Sex and procreation is not of the new creation, the eternal kingdom
Nick…..SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, THERE WILL BE NO FLESH BEINGS IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD? I THINK YOU ARE MISUNDERSTANDING SOME OF THOSE SCRIPTURES, LOOK SCRPTURE DOES SAY FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT “INHERIT” THE KINGDOM OF GOD,NEITHER DOES CORRUPTION INHERIT INCORUPTION.
So from that you preconclude flesh and bone being will not be in the KINGDOM OF GOD RIGHT? Have you ever thought we can say the same things about earthely things also, example, CAN MY HOUSE,OR MY CAR INHERIT ANYTHING THEMSELVES, OF COURSE NOT. I THE LIVING ASPECT OF MY BEING CAN INHERIT “THEM”, BUT THEY HAVIBG NO LIVING ASPECT CANNOT INHERIT “ME”, SO IT IS WITH OUR PHYSICAL BODIES THEY CANT INHERIT ANYTHING, BOTH NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. WHY BECAUSE THEY ARE BUT THE MATERIAL OR PHYSICAL PART OF HOW WE EXIST. PAUL WAS SPEAKING OF SPRITUAL THINGS, WE THROUGH THE SPRIT WHICH IS OUR LIFE SOURCE INHERIT THINGS, THE BODY WHICHIS PHYSICAL CAN BE CHANGED or REGENERATED, just as ALL physical thing can, a house or car or whatever physical can. Inheritance is of the spirit it cannot be applied to anything physical,now or in the future.
“If” you are TRYING TO MAKE IT say, that there will be no phyical bodied beings in the KINGDOM OF GOD, YOU ARE IN ERROR IMO, because scriptures clearly show there will be. I don’t know “IF” that is what you are saying or infering but “IF” you are i believe you are wrong. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …………………gene
Hi GB,
Are you confusing the millenial kingdom where there is flesh,
with the kingdom after the Judgement where there is none?
Gene,
You claim the soul stops existing when a human dies but Scripture states that humans can only destroy the flesh. If your claim was true then humans also would destroy the soul. Your conclusion reveals that de not believe that humans only have the power to destroy the flesh.
Jesus said that humans only have the power to destroy the flesh and with your unbelief in his word you are calling him a liar, and so you denying he is the Son of God.
It is clear that your chosen interpretation does not work with Jesus’ words and yet you stubbornly refuse to see that it does not. You are in the denial stage and if you want to progress you need to get beyond.
Kerwin…..JESUS SAID HE WAS “DEAD” AND DEAD DOES NOT MEAN STILL ALIVE. YOUR CONTINUE LIVING AFTER DEATH IS FLAWED, JESUS PLAINLY SAID “HE WAS “DEAD” AND NOW AM “ALIVE” FOR EVERMORE”. WHAT PART OF THAT YOU DO NOT “TRULY” BELIEVE. DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING DEAD AND BEING ALIVE. OR DO YOU UNDERSTND “REALLY” UNDERSTAND THIS.
PSA 146:3-1…..Put not your trust in princes, nor the son of man, in whom there is no help, 4, FOR BREATH GOES FORTH, HE RETURNS TO HIS EARTH,; IN THAT VERY DAY HIS “THOUGHTS” PARISH.
But you say no that. Does not “REALLY” HAPPEN because HIS THOUGHT CONTINUE, but in another under world existence, he is still alive being tormented or at rest taking it easy in paradise i supose.
You believe the “PARABLE” of LAZRAUS AND THE RICH MAN brings OUT PEOPLE STILL ARE THINKING AFTER THEY DIE , but that parable is not even talking about who was more rightious then the other, is addressing the issus of suffering in this life and in the future life , that there is a seperation of people in the future, and how suffering is required either now or later. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
Hi GB,
Jesus said Abraham. Isaac and Jacob who had died were living to God.[Lk 20]
Do you call him a liar?
Nick…..JESUS DID NOT SAY THEY WERE STILL ALIVE “LIVING” TO GOD, JESUS SAID GOD IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING NOT THE DEAD. THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING THOSE WHO DIED WERE STILL A LIVE. IF THE DEAD’S THOUGHTS “PERISH” HOW COULD THEY HAVE ANY GOD. There has been no resurection of any dead except for Jesus to eternal life.
NOTICE THE WORD FOR “LIVING” written there and you will see it is, (dzah’-o), a GREEK WORD THAT SHOULD BE PROPERLY INTERPUTED “to live”. NOW Remenber what JESUS WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT , was it not about the “RESURECTION OF THE “DEAD”, yes GOD IS THE GOD OF THOSE WHO HAVE DEIED IN FAITH, AND AT THE RESURECTION OF THE DEAD THEY SHALL LIVE AGAIN FOREVER, BECAUSE THEY DIED IN FAITH.
That is not saying that the dead still live after they die, but there is a resurection of the dead back to life in the future, it is apsolutly cruical that the dead atain to a resurection in order to continue live again. Or why do you even think there is a resurection that takes place in the first place?
peace and love to you and yours. …………………gene
So no NICK, I DO NOT THINK JESUS IS A LIAR, I THINK YOU DO NOT “UNDERSTAND” WHAT HE TRULY TALKING ABOUT.
Gene,
Kerwin…..JESUS SAID HE WAS “DEAD” AND DEAD DOES NOT MEAN STILL ALIVE. YOUR CONTINUE LIVING AFTER DEATH IS FLAWED, JESUS PLAINLY SAID “HE WAS “DEAD” AND NOW AM “ALIVE” FOR EVERMORE”. WHAT PART OF THAT YOU DO NOT “TRULY” BELIEVE. DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING DEAD AND BEING ALIVE. OR DO YOU UNDERSTND “REALLY” UNDERSTAND THIS.
I am well aware Jesus’ body was destroyed by the Romans but in doing so they did not destroy his soul. It is his soul that the disciples thought they saw after he was resurrected and entered the room where they gathered but he gave evidence that established that he was no longer dead but was wearing his flesh and bone body.
When he laid dead his soul though alive rested in Hades. That is why Jesus called death sleep on occasion.
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