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Georg said to WJ:
Quote This is how it reads in my Bible. Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Christ is over all, and that is why Paul blesses God for.
Georg,
The Greek literally reads that Christ came “who is God over all.”
ὧν οἱ πατέρες, καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ Χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα· ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.
You say that Christ is over all and this is why Paul blesses God. Yet you have repeatedly argued that God alone is over all.
It seems you want your cake and to eat it too.
thinker
Georg said to WJ:
Quote 2 Pet.1:1, Peter is speaking of two beings, our God, and savior Jesus Christ, because it takes both to be our savior, one to die for us, Jesus, and one to forgive us for Jesus sake, God the Father. Georg,
The conjunction “and” joins the two nouns “God” and “Savior” in one person which is Jesus Christ. The same construction is used in verse 11:
for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
The conjunction “and” joins the nouns “Lord” and “Savior” in one person which is Jesus Christ.
See the rule here: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=2407
thinker
Hi TT,
Jesus is the appointed Lord.
He is Lord of all.Almighty God can give the authority to His Son just as the Pharaoh gave ruling authority to Joseph.
You struggle to understand the chain of authority?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 14 2010,04:40) Hi TT,
Jesus is the appointed Lord.
He is Lord of all.Almighty God can give the authority to His Son just as the Pharaoh gave ruling authority to Joseph.
You struggle to understand the chain of authority?
Nick,What “chain of authority?” Paul said that Christ “will be” subject to the Father. This means that Christ was NOT subject to the Father when Paul penned those words. Otherwise the future “will be” makes no sense.
thinker
Hi TT,
Jesus was given all authority by his God.[Mt28]
Then he will pass the Kingdom back to His God.[1Cor15]You only get muddled because your god is not Almighty God, the Father of Jesus, but a trinity, and that god is not spoken of in Scripture
Thinker ………Don't you ever even think about what we are saying at all, are you so closed off you can not even consider them, tHERE IS ONLY (ONE) TRUE GOD AND THAT IS NOT JESUS, IT IS JESUS' GOD AND OUR GOD, JESUS' FATHER AND OUR FATHER. When are you going to get it.
Nick,
Brilliant post.Gene, Nick,
Do you believe that you have become stronger believers in God and Christ after seeking in greater depth for the Truth after each onslaught by TT and WJ?Are you able to impart that Truth much easier to others who come up against you with Scriptural naivety or falseness?
Yes, it frustrating to have to keep repeating the same passages and verses over and over each time the waves of iniquity smashes against your shores of righteousness but you rocky roots go deep and withstand again and again.
Blessed be him who stands in the righteousness of his God and Father, Jehovah, God of Hosts, everlasting God Almighty.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 14 2010,05:01) Hi TT,
Jesus was given all authority by his God.[Mt28]
Then he will pass the Kingdom back to His God.[1Cor15]You only get muddled because your god is not Almighty God, the Father of Jesus, but a trinity, and that god is not spoken of in Scripture
Nick,God gave Jesus authority because He is WORTHY. The word “worthy” means “DESERVING of due reward.” Christ's authority is His RIGHT.
You have said more than once that Jesus is God “functionally.”
Jesus purchased the kingdom with HIS OWN blood. So when He gives it back it will be of HIS OWN VOLITION. He is not required to give it back.
Until then He is NOT subject to the Father.
thinker
Quote (Gene @ Feb. 14 2010,05:17) Thinker ………Don't you ever even think about what we are saying at all, are you so closed off you can not even consider them, tHERE IS ONLY (ONE) TRUE GOD AND THAT IS NOT JESUS, IT IS JESUS' GOD AND OUR GOD, JESUS' FATHER AND OUR FATHER. When are you going to get it.
Gene,A half truth is a LIE. The Father also said that His Son is God (Hebrews 1:8).
Stop perjuring yourself!
thinker
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 14 2010,05:57) Nick,
Brilliant post.Gene, Nick,
Do you believe that you have become stronger believers in God and Christ after seeking in greater depth for the Truth after each onslaught by TT and WJ?Are you able to impart that Truth much easier to others who come up against you with Scriptural naivety or falseness?
Yes, it frustrating to have to keep repeating the same passages and verses over and over each time the waves of iniquity smashes against your shores of righteousness but you rocky roots go deep and withstand again and again.
Blessed be him who stands in the righteousness of his God and Father, Jehovah, God of Hosts, everlasting God Almighty.
JA,WJ's last post to you buried you. Can you dig yourself out?
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 14 2010,06:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 14 2010,05:01) Hi TT,
Jesus was given all authority by his God.[Mt28]
Then he will pass the Kingdom back to His God.[1Cor15]You only get muddled because your god is not Almighty God, the Father of Jesus, but a trinity, and that god is not spoken of in Scripture
Nick,God gave Jesus authority because He is WORTHY. The word “worthy” means “DESERVING of due reward.” Christ's authority is His RIGHT.
You have said more than once that Jesus is God “functionally.”
Jesus purchased the kingdom with HIS OWN blood. So when He gives it back it will be of HIS OWN VOLITION. He is not required to give it back.
Until then He is NOT subject to the Father.
thinker
Hi TT,
Jesus gave the authority to work in the power of God's Spirit to his followers.They too had been found clean and worthy to serve God.
Were they no longer responsible to him or his God?
Do you think that made them God too?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 14 2010,06:31) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 14 2010,06:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 14 2010,05:01) Hi TT,
Jesus was given all authority by his God.[Mt28]
Then he will pass the Kingdom back to His God.[1Cor15]You only get muddled because your god is not Almighty God, the Father of Jesus, but a trinity, and that god is not spoken of in Scripture
Nick,God gave Jesus authority because He is WORTHY. The word “worthy” means “DESERVING of due reward.” Christ's authority is His RIGHT.
You have said more than once that Jesus is God “functionally.”
Jesus purchased the kingdom with HIS OWN blood. So when He gives it back it will be of HIS OWN VOLITION. He is not required to give it back.
Until then He is NOT subject to the Father.
thinker
Hi TT,
Jesus gave the authority to work in the power of God's Spirit to his followers.They too had been found clean and worthy to serve God.
Were they no longer responsible to him or his God?
Do you think that made them God too?
Nick,You're slick Nick but not slick enough. No others were exalted to God's right hand.
Show where others were given ALL authority as the “due reward” of their works.
thinker
Hi TT,
True.
He was given all authority by Almighty God and the Lord and King will give that kingdom back to his God.But he was never a loose cannon responsible to nobody.
Hi TT,
You do not seem to understand our God but it is not surprising as you have adopted another of man's making.
Our Almighty God is not divided and varying in time and place and powers and sometimes partly human.
He is one, invisible and immortal in Him there is no variation or shadow of turning.[Jas 1]Hi TT,
Of course if he was exalted to the right hand of God he was neither that God, nor was he equal to his God Who exalted him.
The greater blesses the lesser.[heb7]
God is one.Why are you offering us polytheism?
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 14 2010,06:17) Quote (Gene @ Feb. 14 2010,05:17) Thinker ………Don't you ever even think about what we are saying at all, are you so closed off you can not even consider them, tHERE IS ONLY (ONE) TRUE GOD AND THAT IS NOT JESUS, IT IS JESUS' GOD AND OUR GOD, JESUS' FATHER AND OUR FATHER. When are you going to get it.
Gene,A half truth is a LIE. The Father also said that His Son is God (Hebrews 1:8).
Stop perjuring yourself!
thinker
thinker……….What you do Not understand is that (GOD) the FATHER was (IN) Jesus , How by His seven INTELLECTS or Spirits, As a result of those Spirits in Jesus GOD the FATHER could easily say Because Jesus put (HIS) WILL OR SELF to death and GOD”S WILL is Being DONE, so it is the same as GOD HIMSELF Doing IT. But that does not make Jesus HIMSELF the GOD that was (IN) HIM Doing it. So it is you TRINITARIANS that are twisting not only Jesus' Words but GOD the FATHERS Words also. Thinker dump the TRINITARIAN AND PREEXISTENCE GARBAGE. Start listening to the word of Jesus and GOD the FATHER for a Change , not some apostate teachings. IMOTT,
If Jesus does not hand the kingdom back to his Father, then he will have stolen it and become a devil.
But, of course, this will not be so. Jesus hands the kingdom back because it is the right and only thing to do – this is a moot point.
'Inherit all things'… Revelation 21:7-8.
'He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he will be my Son.'Read from vs 5 through to vs 8 to get a better overview.
It is God Almighty who speaks these words…remember that for another topic discussion!!
Quote (Gene @ Feb. 13 2010,15:22) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 14 2010,06:17) Quote (Gene @ Feb. 14 2010,05:17) Thinker ………Don't you ever even think about what we are saying at all, are you so closed off you can not even consider them, tHERE IS ONLY (ONE) TRUE GOD AND THAT IS NOT JESUS, IT IS JESUS' GOD AND OUR GOD, JESUS' FATHER AND OUR FATHER. When are you going to get it.
Gene,A half truth is a LIE. The Father also said that His Son is God (Hebrews 1:8).
Stop perjuring yourself!
thinker
thinker……….What you do Not understand is that (GOD) the FATHER was (IN) Jesus , How by His seven INTELLECTS or Spirits, As a result of those Spirits in Jesus GOD the FATHER could easily say Because Jesus put (HIS) WILL OR SELF to death and GOD”S WILL is Being DONE, so it is the same as GOD HIMSELF Doing IT. But that does not make Jesus HIMSELF the GOD that was (IN) HIM Doing it. So it is you TRINITARIANS that are twisting not only Jesus' Words but GOD the FATHERS Words also. Thinker dump the TRINITARIAN AND PREEXISTENCE GARBAGE. Start listening to the word of Jesus and GOD the FATHER for a Change , not some apostate teachings. IMO
GeneFaulty logic!
Jesus is also in the Father, so I suppose that means the Father is not God either!
WJ
HG,
The Spirit is one.
God is on his throne and seven of his spirits[angels] are before Him.[rev4]
Since you are so sure that God is seven spirits surely you have more support than one verse and how do you explain 1Cor 12 ?JustAskin said:
Quote If Jesus does not hand the kingdom back to his Father, then he will have stolen it and become a devil.
JA,How can Jesus “steal” something that is RIGHTFULLY His own? Yes it is a moot point because Paul said that he would deliver the kingdom back to the Father.
JA:
Quote 'Inherit all things'… Revelation 21:7-8.
'He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he will be my Son.'The Greek says “THESE things.” It is speaking about the water of life, that is, salvation:
6Then He said to me, “It is done I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.
7″He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
8″But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
The water of life of verse 6 is “these things” of verse 7. It is talking about salvation. The unbelieving by contrast inherit eternal punishment (vs. 8).
Have you inherited the water of life?
Christ purchased the kingdom with HIS OWN blood. No “devil” can steal it from Him, no, not even you. But He can humbly give it back like He humbly gave up His glory in the first place and became flesh to save you.
thinker
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