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[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 21 2012,01:19)

Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2012,16:37) Quote (jammin @ June 20 2012,23:26) Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,04:29) Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,12:14) Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2012,11:36) Hi Mike, It is very clear from the context that Manoah literally thought he saw “GOD”, rather than merely calling an Angel 'a god' as you seem to be suggesting. God bless Ed J you said: thought he saw “GOD”, give me translation that says that HE THOUGHT  HE SAW GOD ill wait boy. Hi Jammin, Judges 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org yes, he saw GOD good boy nick, it was you J This is ridicule,no one can say he saw God, no one ever saw God so how could he know that it was God??? Assuming is not a true statement ,you have no argument to prove what you say ,scriptures does support your view, You just LIKE to believe it ,so do it ,but don,t think that others are as blind as you are on this. Judges 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God. believe it or not T the bible says that they saw GOD now, your problem is who is that GOD that is the son and not the father boy bec Christ said in john that no one has ever seen GOD! jos 5.14 Geneva Study Bible And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and {g} did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? (g) In that Joshua worships him, he acknowledges him to be God: and in that he calls himself the Lord's captain he declares himself to be Christ.

J

I start to believe you are not a seeker of truth but a pro arguier to create confusion ,

So you have no interest in promoting truth ,

So this would be good bye

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2012,01:46)

The bible does not teach these… 1. (Jammin suggests) He does change. 2. (Jammin suggests) He doesn't mean what he says. 3. “There shall no man see me, and live.” (Jammin suggests is false) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i told that GOD is not a liar.
but if GOD wants you to see him and live, you will live.

the bible says that.

22 Manoah said to his wife, “We are certainly going to die, because we’ve seen God!”

23But his wife replied to him, “If the Lord wanted to kill us, he wouldn’t have accepted the entirely burned offering and grain offering from our hands. He wouldn’t have shown us all these things or told us all of this now.”

[jammin]

T

believe it or not
the bible says that

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,23:24)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2012,10:44) But you need to study more about the Greek word “proskuneo” and the Hebrew word “shachah”.  Both words can refer either to the bowing down to anyone (including Abraham and King David) to show reverence………..  OR  …………..to the worship of God Almighty or other gods. what is the use of greek and hebrew if you dont understand the meaning of it?

jammin,

There is definitely a difference between doing obeisance to a man to show him honor, and worshipping someone as if they were your God.  

But look at this one:
1 Chronicles 29:20 KJV
And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king.

According to the logic you're using for Joshua 5:14, King David must also be God Almighty.  But we know that's not the case, right?

jammin, to me this is an easy one because of this scripture:
Matthew 4:10
Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’ ”

Jesus himself taught us who ALONE to worship.  I follow the teaching of my Lord.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 21 2012,19:01)

T believe it or not the bible says that

J

The bible says many things ,but it as to be understood ,

What is it that the bible says

Is it a story or record of a event

And remember a truth as to be true in all phases of the scriptures if not it is faulty,

[jammin]

yes mike i believe what the bible says

Christ is LORD
the father is LORD

the son is GOD
the father is GOD

they should be worshipped

John 5:23

Good News Translation (GNT)
23 so that all will honor the Son in the same way as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

[jammin]

T

the bible says that manoah saw GOD.

believe it or not

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 22 2012,09:11)

T the bible says that manoah saw GOD. believe it or not

J

what does the bible says who saw God is it God that says that or is it the man called Manoah

are you following men ?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ June 21 2012,09:08)

they should be worshipped John 5:23 Good News Translation (GNT) 23 so that all will honor the Son in the same way as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

John 5:23 is telling us that we already honor the Father, we also need to honor the Son He sent.  I don't believe it speaks about giving the SAME honor to God's servant as we would give to God.

Consider:
Eph 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly lords with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Similarly, I don't believe this verse speaks about giving the SAME respect to an earthly lord as we would to our heavenly Lord.

Jesus taught us the ONE we are to worship and serve as God. His words are good enough for me.

[jammin]

mike you are really a false teacher.
where did you get your doctrine? LOL

eph 6.5 did not say about the FATHER AND THE SON

but, john 5.23 speaks of the FATHER AND THE SON! it has a deeper meaning compared to eph 6.5

American King James Version
That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has
sent him.

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

That all men should honor the Son, etc. – If then the Son is to be honored, Even As the Father is honored, then the Son must be God, as receiving that worship which belongs to God alone. To worship any creature is idolatry: Christ is to be honored even as the Father is honored; therefore Christ is not a creature; and, if not a creature, consequently the Creator. See John 1:3.

He that honoureth not the Son – God will not receive that man's adoration who refuses to honor Jesus, even as he honors him. The Jews expected the Messiah as a great and powerful Prince; but they never thought of a person coming in that character enrobed with all the attributes of Godhead. To lead them off from this error, our Lord spoke the words recorded in these verses.

now let me give the exact meaning of eph 6.5

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

Be obedient to them – This is the uniform direction in the New Testament; see 1 Peter 2:18; 1 Timothy 6:1-3; notes 1 Corinthians 7:21. The idea is that they were to show in that relation the excellence of the religion which they professed. If they could be made free, they were to prefer that condition to a state of bondage 1 Corinthians 7:21, but while the relation remained, they were to be kind, gentle, and obedient, as became Christians. In the parallel place in Colossians Col 3:22, it is said that they were to obey their masters “in all things.” But evidently this is to be understood with the limitations implied in the case of wives and children (see the notes on Ephesians 5:24; Ephesians 6:1, note), and a master would have no right to command that which was morally wrong.

study hard boy..

i believe Christ is LORD AND GOD
i believe that his father is LORD and GOD

and according to mat you should worhip your LORD AND GOD

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2012,02:26)

Quote (jammin @ June 22 2012,09:11) T the bible says that manoah saw GOD. believe it or not J what does the bible says who saw God is it God that says that or is it the man called Manoah are you following men ?

so you dont believe manoah??
jacob also said he saw GOD

you also dont believe jacob? LOL

make your own bible

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 22 2012,18:16)

Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2012,02:26) Quote (jammin @ June 22 2012,09:11) T the bible says that manoah saw GOD. believe it or not J what does the bible says who saw God is it God that says that or is it the man called Manoah are you following men ? so you dont believe manoah?? jacob also said he saw GOD you also dont believe jacob? LOL make your own bible

J

It looks like you have already made you bible ,and no one agrees with it

I agree with you their are many false teachers ,that see many things in scriptures with a corrupt mind,

But it is a free world ,and we have free will to do so ,

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ June 21 2012,18:14)

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible That all men should honor the Son, etc. – If then the Son is to be honored, Even As the Father is honored, then the Son must be God, as receiving that worship which belongs to God alone. To worship any creature is idolatry: Christ is to be honored even as the Father is honored; therefore Christ is not a creature; and, if not a creature, consequently the Creator. See John 1:3.

Now that's what I call some fancy footwork!

Clarke bases his commentary on a premise in which he switched the words of the scripture.

John 5:23 says nothing at all about WORSHIP, jammin.  But Clarke knows he can't claim that creatures don't have “honor” (because that's not true), and so, to force Jesus into being God, he forgets that the word Jesus used was “honor”, and carries on as if Jesus commanded us to WORSHIP him.

But Jesus was speaking of HONOR, not WORSHIP, right?  And since that's the case, the rest of what Clarke wrote cannot be taken as legitimate.

[jammin]

yes we have a free will.
we have the decision if we are willing to obey GOD or not

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2012,16:22)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2012,02:41) Hi Jammin, Rather than God being an individual, are you suggesting that “God” is (according to you) a species instead?              <– please answer species: A group subordinate to a genus and containing individuals                    agreeing in some common  attributes  and called by a common name. God bless Ed J Nature: The inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing Attributes: A quality or feature regarded as a characteristic or inherent part of someone or something. God bless Ed J

Jammin,

What you have been describing is a species.
Are you suggesting God (according to you) is a species – yes or no?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org[/quote]

[jammin]

the bible did not say species.
it says form.

do not put your own words in the bible.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2012,11:45)

Quote (jammin @ June 21 2012,18:14) Clarke's Commentary on the Bible That all men should honor the Son, etc. – If then the Son is to be honored, Even As the Father is honored, then the Son must be God, as receiving that worship which belongs to God alone. To worship any creature is idolatry: Christ is to be honored even as the Father is honored; therefore Christ is not a creature; and, if not a creature, consequently the Creator. See John 1:3. Now that's what I call some fancy footwork! Clarke bases his commentary on a premise in which he switched the words of the scripture. John 5:23 says nothing at all about WORSHIP, jammin.  But Clarke knows he can't claim that creatures don't have “honor” (because that's not true), and so, to force Jesus into being God, he forgets that the word Jesus used was “honor”, and carries on as if Jesus commanded us to WORSHIP him. But Jesus was speaking of HONOR, not WORSHIP, right?  And since that's the case, the rest of what Clarke wrote cannot be taken as legitimate.

you are just making excuses.
you do not believe that the son should be worshiped but the bible says that the first century christians worshiped christ

mat 14.33

New International Version (©1984)
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

believe what the bible says mike.
ignore your imagination

for john 5.23

Wesley's Notes
john
5:23 That all men may honour the Son, even as they honour the Father – Either willingly, and so escaping condemnation, by faith: or unwillingly, when feeling the wrath of the Judge. This demonstrates the EQUALITY of the Son with the Father. If our Lord were God only by office or investiture, and not in the unity of the Divine essence, and in all respects equal in Godhead with the Father, he could not be honoured even as, that is, with the same honour that they honoured the Father. He that honoureth not the Son – With the same equal honour, greatly dishonoureth the Father that sent him.

poor mike

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 11 2013,11:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,02:55) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,01:21) Hi Jammin, Do you believe Mary was Jesus' biological Mother?  “Yes” or “No”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Last chance to answer, next time will be in the “Hot Seat”. And T8's new rule is: You will either answer or receive a (another) tile.  Your choice, Jammin. Note:  You can always answer “I don't know” as well.   when Christ became human, mary was his mother. John 19:26 Good News Translation (GNT) 26 Jesus saw his mother and the disciple he loved standing there; so he said to his mother, “He is your son.” ill repeat, there is no 50 50 in the bible. you cant read that jesus is 50% human and 50% son of God. that is just your illusion. what a garbage doctrine you have

Do you believe Mary was Jesus' biological Mother?  “Yes” “No” “I don't know”?

What will you answer be?

[jammin]

i already answered this. pls refer to the verse boy.

now where can you read christ is 50% human and 50% son of God

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,13:15)

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 11 2013,11:00) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,02:55) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,01:21) Hi Jammin, Do you believe Mary was Jesus' biological Mother?  “Yes” or “No”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Last chance to answer, next time will be in the “Hot Seat”. And T8's new rule is: You will either answer or receive a (another) tile.  Your choice, Jammin. Note:  You can always answer “I don't know” as well.   when Christ became human, mary was his mother. John 19:26 Good News Translation (GNT) 26 Jesus saw his mother and the disciple he loved standing there; so he said to his mother, “He is your son.” ill repeat, there is no 50 50 in the bible. you cant read that jesus is 50% human and 50% son of God. that is just your illusion. what a garbage doctrine you have Do you believe Mary was Jesus' biological Mother?  “Yes” “No” “I don't know”? What will you answer be?

Last chance

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