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[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,19:17)

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2012,11:45) Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,18:55) the bible said that read again the verse very well jud 13.22-23 22 “We're going to die!” he said to his wife. “We've seen God!” 23 But his wife answered, “The Lord doesn't want to kill us. If he did, he wouldn't have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from us. He wouldn't have shown us all of those things. He wouldn't have told us we're going to have a son.” that ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GOD HIMSELF. read the whole verse boy j Quote read again the verse very well jud 13.22-23 Jdg 13:3 The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, “You are sterile and childless, but you are going to conceive and have a son. Jdg 13:6 Then the woman went to her husband and told him, “A man of God came to me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn’t ask him where he came from, and he didn’t tell me his name. Jdg 13:7 But he said to me, ‘You will conceive and give birth to a son. Now then, drink no wine or other fermented drink and do not eat anything unclean, because the boy will be a Nazirite of God from birth until the day of his death. Jamin ,what is it you are after manoah saw GOD but did not die. that is GOD's will. believe it or not

J

are you not reading those scriptures

or are you only read what you see fit for your own purpose

stop making opinions and show in context like i did ;

WHAT THEY THOUGHT AND WHAT IT WAS MAY NOT BE THE SAME ,WOULD SCRIPTURES LIE TO US ALL,AND ONLY YOU CAN SEE AND HOW TO SEE IT

OF CAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO READ THE SCRIPTURES RIGHT

SO YOU COULD TELL US ANYTHING RIGHT ?

Jdg 13:6 Then the woman went to her husband and told him, “A man of God came to me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn’t ask him where he came from, and he didn’t tell me his name.

IS THAT THE SAME WOMEN IS THIS THE FUTURE MOTHER OF SAMSON

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that ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GOD HIMSELF. read the whole verse boy

[/QUOTE]

SO GOD IS NOT ALMIGHTY AND SPIRIT ,HE IS IN YOUR VIEW NOW AN ANGEL ?

SO NOW GOD DOES NOT DWELL IN HEAVEN ,AND NOW THE EARTH CAN RECEIVE HIM

SO THE EARTH IS NO LONGER GODS FOOTSTEP

SO NOW GOD CAN DWELL IN A MAN MADE HOUSE

WERE ARE YOU GOING JAMMI ?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2012,12:39)

jammin, I agree with Gill that men weren't wont (accustomed) to fearing death from seeing an angel.  But it is stated very clearly in verse 21 that Manoah “realized that it was the angel of the LORD.”  To me that means Manoah thought he might die just from seeing a supernatural representative of Jehovah.  They must be pretty awe-inspiring, judging from scriptural encounters.  Some fell to the ground as dead when they saw an angel of Jehovah.  Others, like John in Revelation, tried bowing down to them to do worship.  So I don't think it's too far of a stretch for Manoah to be worried he might die from the experience. I agree with the NETNotes information – which I didn't even know was there until today.  And Ed will attest that I thought it should be translated as “a god” long before I read that NETNotes info today. You can agree with Gill if you want.  But your own conclusion that God is His own angel is baffling the rest of us here it seems.

the bible says that.
believe it or not

that angel of the LORD is GOD himself. not the father but the son.
he (son) is the messenger of GOD (his father).

this angel of the LORD is not an ordinary angel.
angel cant be worshiped. but this angel of the LORD accepts worship.

Joshua 5:13-18

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

13 One day, when Y’hoshua was there by Yericho, he raised his eyes and looked; and in front of him stood a man with his drawn sword in his hand. Y’hoshua went over to him and asked him, “Are you on our side or on the side of our enemies?” 14 “No,” he replied, “but I am the commander of Adonai’s army; I have come just now.” Y’hoshua fell down with his face to the ground and worshipped him, then asked, “What does my lord have to say to his servant?” 15 The commander of Adonai’s army answered Y’hoshua, “Take your sandals off your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy.” And Y’hoshua did so.

Geneva Study Bible

And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and {g} did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

(g) In that Joshua worships him, he acknowledges him to be God: and in that he calls himself the Lord's captain he declares himself to be Christ.

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2012,15:17)

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,19:17) Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2012,11:45) Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,18:55) the bible said that read again the verse very well jud 13.22-23 22 “We're going to die!” he said to his wife. “We've seen God!” 23 But his wife answered, “The Lord doesn't want to kill us. If he did, he wouldn't have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from us. He wouldn't have shown us all of those things. He wouldn't have told us we're going to have a son.” that ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GOD HIMSELF. read the whole verse boy j Quote read again the verse very well jud 13.22-23 Jdg 13:3 The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, “You are sterile and childless, but you are going to conceive and have a son. Jdg 13:6 Then the woman went to her husband and told him, “A man of God came to me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn’t ask him where he came from, and he didn’t tell me his name. Jdg 13:7 But he said to me, ‘You will conceive and give birth to a son. Now then, drink no wine or other fermented drink and do not eat anything unclean, because the boy will be a Nazirite of God from birth until the day of his death. Jamin ,what is it you are after manoah saw GOD but did not die. that is GOD's will. believe it or not J are you not reading those scriptures or are you only read what you see fit for your own purpose stop making opinions and show in context like i did ; WHAT THEY THOUGHT AND WHAT IT WAS MAY NOT BE THE SAME ,WOULD SCRIPTURES LIE TO US  ALL,AND ONLY YOU CAN SEE AND HOW TO SEE IT OF CAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO READ THE SCRIPTURES RIGHT SO YOU COULD TELL US ANYTHING RIGHT ? Jdg 13:6 Then the woman went to her husband and told him, “A man of God came to me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn’t ask him where he came from, and he didn’t tell me his name. IS THAT THE SAME WOMEN IS THIS THE FUTURE MOTHER OF SAMSON Quote that ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GOD HIMSELF. read the whole verse boy [/QUOTE] SO GOD IS NOT ALMIGHTY AND SPIRIT ,HE IS IN YOUR VIEW NOW AN ANGEL ? SO NOW GOD DOES NOT DWELL IN HEAVEN ,AND NOW THE EARTH CAN RECEIVE HIM SO THE EARTH IS NO LONGER GODS FOOTSTEP SO NOW GOD CAN DWELL IN A MAN MADE HOUSE WERE ARE YOU GOING JAMMI ?

that is not an opinion boy. the bible says that.
manoah saw GOD and did not die!

let me post what the bible says

Judges 13:22-23

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

22 Manoach said to his wife, “We will surely die, because we have seen God!”

manoah said he saw GOD!
now his wife said

23 But his wife said to him, “If Adonai had wanted to kill us, he wouldn’t have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from us, and he wouldn’t have shown us all this or told us such things at this time.”

wear eyeglasses boy

[jammin]

jos 5.14

Wesley's Notes

5:14 As captain – I am the chief captain of this people, and will conduct and assist thee and them in this great undertaking. Now this person is not a created angel, but the son of God, who went along with the Israelites in this expedition, as their chief and captain. And this appears, By his acceptance of adoration here, which a created angel durst not admit of, Rev 22:8,9. Because the place was made holy by his presence, Jos 5:15, which was God's prerogative, Exod 3:5. Because he is called the Lord, Heb. Jehovah, Jos 6:2. My Lord – I acknowledge thee for my Lord and captain, and therefore wait for thy commands, which I am ready to obey.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,22:31)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2012,12:39) jammin, I agree with Gill that men weren't wont (accustomed) to fearing death from seeing an angel.  But it is stated very clearly in verse 21 that Manoah “realized that it was the angel of the LORD.”  To me that means Manoah thought he might die just from seeing a supernatural representative of Jehovah.  They must be pretty awe-inspiring, judging from scriptural encounters.  Some fell to the ground as dead when they saw an angel of Jehovah.  Others, like John in Revelation, tried bowing down to them to do worship.  So I don't think it's too far of a stretch for Manoah to be worried he might die from the experience. I agree with the NETNotes information – which I didn't even know was there until today.  And Ed will attest that I thought it should be translated as “a god” long before I read that NETNotes info today. You can agree with Gill if you want.  But your own conclusion that God is His own angel is baffling the rest of us here it seems. the bible says that. believe it or not that angel of the LORD is GOD himself. not the father but the son. he (son) is the messenger of GOD (his father). this angel of the LORD is not an ordinary angel. angel cant be worshiped. but this angel of the LORD accepts worship. Joshua 5:13-18 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) 13 One day, when Y’hoshua was there by Yericho, he raised his eyes and looked; and in front of him stood a man with his drawn sword in his hand. Y’hoshua went over to him and asked him, “Are you on our side or on the side of our enemies?” 14 “No,” he replied, “but I am the commander of Adonai’s army; I have come just now.” Y’hoshua fell down with his face to the ground and worshipped him, then asked, “What does my lord have to say to his servant?” 15 The commander of Adonai’s army answered Y’hoshua, “Take your sandals off your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy.” And Y’hoshua did so. Geneva Study Bible And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and {g} did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? (g) In that Joshua worships him, he acknowledges him to be God: and in that he calls himself the Lord's captain he declares himself to be Christ.

J

Jos 5:13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”
Jos 5:14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the LORD I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord have for his servant?”NIV

Ge 17:3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him,
Ge 17:4 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations.

Ge 18:1 The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day.
Ge 18:2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
Ge 18:3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by

[jammin]

the verses are correct.
your understanding is wrong.

read well your bible and pls wear eyeglasses

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,12:14)

Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2012,11:36) Hi Mike, It is very clear from the context that Manoah literally thought he saw “GOD”, rather than merely calling an Angel 'a god' as you seem to be suggesting. God bless Ed J you said: thought he saw “GOD”, give me translation that says that HE THOUGHT  HE SAW GOD ill wait boy.

Hi Jammin,

Judges 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife,
We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
Wesley was deceived.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2012,21:18)

Hi MB, I could not possibly answer your question as NET NOTES are not a reliable source compared with the bible. How could you KNOW anything from such sources?

The NETNotes info just put into black and white from 25 Biblical experts what I've known all along FROM SCRIPTURE, Nick.

Of course the Bible teaches of “lesser gods”, as I've told you over and over again. If Jehovah is the Most High God, and He is the God of other gods, then there can be no conclusion except that these other gods are “lesser gods”.

But you didn't want to believe me, and so I thought it was nice to see what I've already been telling you written by Biblical scholars.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,22:31)

that angel of the LORD is GOD himself. not the father but the son. he (son) is the messenger of GOD (his father).

It is true that Jesus is definitely an angel of God. And it is my opinion that he was the angel of God who went before the Israelites in the wilderness.

But you need to study more about the Greek word “proskuneo” and the Hebrew word “shachah”. Both words can refer either to the bowing down to anyone (including Abraham and King David) to show reverence……….. OR …………..to the worship of God Almighty or other gods.

Many translations render Joshua 5:14 as “Joshua bowed down to show reverence”. Most translators did not consider the word “shachah” to refer to “God-worship” in that verse.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You say by your own witness
“It is true that Jesus is definitely an angel of God. “
Nonsense

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The word MESSENGER occurs 106 times in the kjv.
Do you think they are all angels?

[mikeboll64]

Only the ones who are spirit beings, Nick.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,17:46)

Hi MB, You say by your own witness “It is true that Jesus is definitely an angel of God. “ Nonsense

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Nonsense

prove it

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2012,10:44)

Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,22:31) that angel of the LORD is GOD himself. not the father but the son. he (son) is the messenger of GOD (his father). It is true that Jesus is definitely an angel of God.  And it is my opinion that he was the angel of God who went before the Israelites in the wilderness. But you need to study more about the Greek word “proskuneo” and the Hebrew word “shachah”.  Both words can refer either to the bowing down to anyone (including Abraham and King David) to show reverence………..  OR  …………..to the worship of God Almighty or other gods. Many translations render Joshua 5:14 as “Joshua bowed down to show reverence”.  Most translators did not consider the word “shachah” to refer to “God-worship” in that verse.

LOL

what is the use of greek and hebrew if you dont understand the meaning of it?
LOL

mike, you really need to study hard boy.

LOL

jos 5.14
Geneva Study Bible

And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and {g} did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

(g) In that Joshua worships him, he acknowledges him to be God: and in that he calls himself the Lord's captain he declares himself to be Christ.

Wesley's Notes

5:14 As captain – I am the chief captain of this people, and will conduct and assist thee and them in this great undertaking. Now this person is not a created angel, but the son of God, who went along with the Israelites in this expedition, as their chief and captain. And this appears, By his acceptance of adoration here, which a created angel durst not admit of, Rev 22:8,9. Because the place was made holy by his presence, Jos 5:15, which was God's prerogative, Exod 3:5. Because he is called the Lord, Heb. Jehovah, Jos 6:2. My Lord – I acknowledge thee for my Lord and captain, and therefore wait for thy commands, which I am ready to obey.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

and did worship; gave him religious worship and adoration, which had he been a created angel he would not have given to him, nor would such an one have received it, Revelation 19:10,

New International Version (©1984)
“Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the LORD I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord have for his servant?”

New Living Translation (©2007)
“Neither one,” he replied. “I am the commander of the LORD's army.” At this, Joshua fell with his face to the ground in reverence. “I am at your command,” Joshua said. “What do you want your servant to do?”

English Standard Version (©2001)
And he said, “No; but I am the commander of the army of the LORD. Now I have come.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped and said to him, “What does my lord say to his servant?”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
He said, “No; rather I indeed come now as captain of the host of the LORD.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and bowed down, and said to him, “What has my lord to say to his servant?”

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
He answered, “Neither one! I am here as the commander of the LORD's army.” Immediately, Joshua bowed with his face touching the ground and worshiped. He asked, “Sir, what do you want to tell me?”

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And he said, Nay; but as captain of the army of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What says my lord unto his servant?

American King James Version
And he said, No; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said to him, What said my Lord to his servant?

American Standard Version
And he said, Nay; but as prince of the host of Jehovah am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he answered: No: but I am prince of the host of the Lord, and now I am come. Josue fell on his face to the ground. And worshipping, add: What saith my lord to his servant?

Darby Bible Translation
And he said, No; for as captain of the army of Jehovah am I now come. Then Joshua fell upon his face to the earth, and worshipped, and said to him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

English Revised Version
And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

Webster's Bible Translation
And he said, No; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and worshiped, and said to him, What saith my lord to his servant?

World English Bible
He said, “No; but I have come now as commander of Yahweh's army.” Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and worshipped, and said to him, “What does my lord say to his servant?”

Young's Literal Translation
And He saith, 'No, for I am Prince of Jehovah's host; now I have come;' and Joshua falleth on his face to the earth, and doth obeisance, and saith to Him, 'What is my Lord speaking unto His servant?'

the bible says worship boy! LOL
and that is obeisance.

read the commentaries boy and study hard.
LOL

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,04:29)

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,12:14) Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2012,11:36) Hi Mike, It is very clear from the context that Manoah literally thought he saw “GOD”, rather than merely calling an Angel 'a god' as you seem to be suggesting. God bless Ed J you said: thought he saw “GOD”, give me translation that says that HE THOUGHT  HE SAW GOD ill wait boy. Hi Jammin, Judges 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

yes,

he saw GOD

good boy

nick,
it was you

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 20 2012,23:26)

Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,04:29) Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,12:14) Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2012,11:36) Hi Mike, It is very clear from the context that Manoah literally thought he saw “GOD”, rather than merely calling an Angel 'a god' as you seem to be suggesting. God bless Ed J you said: thought he saw “GOD”, give me translation that says that HE THOUGHT  HE SAW GOD ill wait boy. Hi Jammin, Judges 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org yes, he saw GOD good boy nick, it was you

J

This is ridicule,no one can say he saw God, no one ever saw God so how could he know that it was God???

Assuming is not a true statement ,you have no argument to prove what you say ,scriptures does support your view,

You just LIKE to believe it ,so do it ,but don,t think that others are as blind as you are on this.

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ June 20 2012,16:26)

Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,04:29) Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,12:14) Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2012,11:36) Hi Mike, It is very clear from the context that Manoah literally thought he saw “GOD”, rather than merely calling an Angel 'a god' as you seem to be suggesting. God bless Ed J you said: thought he saw “GOD”, give me translation that says that HE THOUGHT  HE SAW GOD ill wait boy. Hi Jammin, Judges 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org yes, he saw GOD good boy nick, it was you

Hi Jammin,

He thought he saw God, but the context says that he really saw an Angel.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

edj,

LOL

did the verse say HE THOUGHT HE SAW GOD??

or HE SAW GOD???

ill wait for your answer boy

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ June 20 2012,18:17)

edj, LOL did the verse say HE THOUGHT HE SAW GOD?? or HE SAW GOD??? ill wait for your answer boy

Hi Jammin,

They both mean the same, so your point is moot.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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