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[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2012,00:12)

Quote (jammin @ June 16 2012,04:05) the nature of  GOD -all mighty -all knowing -eternal -omnipresence -uniqueness -self existent -holiness now, answer my question is obama (president of the US) all powerful by nature? yes or no? J then what is the nature of man ?

not all poweful
not all knowing
not eternal
created
limited

now answer mine,

is obama (president of the US) all powerful by nature?
yes or no?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2012,10:26)

Quote (jammin @ June 14 2012,20:54) if im going to follow your argument, you should accept that the father is god and not GOD jammin, Why should the One called “the God OF gods” be the same as one of the gods He is the God OF?

believe it or not mike
the father and the son are equal and have the same nature, GOD

just like you and your father, you are both equal in nature and that is your human nature.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 17 2012,22:27)

Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2012,00:12) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2012,04:05) the nature of  GOD -all mighty -all knowing -eternal -omnipresence -uniqueness -self existent -holiness now, answer my question is obama (president of the US) all powerful by nature? yes or no? J then what is the nature of man ? not all poweful not all knowing not eternal created limited now answer mine, is obama (president of the US) all powerful by nature? yes or no?

J

you just answered your own question ,man in his nature is limited to that nature disregard what he may be called ,king,president,emperor ,dictator,ect,

but Christ his the son of God and the first creation of God his father and so not of the same power of that nature

man his flesh ,so are lions and bears ,wolfs elephants, and they are all stronger than man but not smarter and so get destroyed by men s ability in his nature,but man can not win over an Angel without Gods help,

[jammin]

GOD by nature is eternal.
do you know the nature of GOD??
you should study first the nature of GOD.

the nature of man is limited. they are created by nature.
but GOD is not.

king, president, emperor etc are not nature or form.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,04:45)

GOD by nature is eternal. do you know the nature of GOD?? you should study first the nature of GOD. the nature of man is limited. they are created by nature. but GOD is not. king, president, emperor etc are not nature or form.

J

God cannot been seen by men and live, do you think God nature can be understood by men

Eternal is not to my knowledge a sign of Gods nature but more a part of is creation nature,

God as no beginning no end always was his and will be ,
All is of God,but not all his in God ,but soon will be .

The nature Of God is first ,then comes Christ his son then come the nature of the angelic beings ,then comes all of creation and the nature of men is last (being created last)

[jammin]

i told you about the nature of GOD.

i told the nature of MAN

you and your father are limited and created by nature.

but GOD's nature is not.

you said GOD cant be seen by men and live. it depends on the will of GOD.
if GOD wants you to see him and live, that is his will.

jud 13.22-23
22 “We're going to die!” he said to his wife. “We've seen God!”

23 But his wife answered, “The Lord doesn't want to kill us. If he did, he wouldn't have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from us. He wouldn't have shown us all of those things. He wouldn't have told us we're going to have a son.”

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,18:45)

i told you about the nature of GOD. i told the nature of MAN you and your father are limited and created by nature. but GOD's nature is not. you said GOD cant be seen by men and live. it depends on the will of GOD. if GOD wants you to see him and live, that is his will. jud 13.22-23 22 “We're going to die!” he said to his wife. “We've seen God!” 23 But his wife answered, “The Lord doesn't want to kill us. If he did, he wouldn't have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from us. He wouldn't have shown us all of those things. He wouldn't have told us we're going to have a son.”

J

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you said GOD cant be seen by men and live. it depends on the will of GOD. if GOD wants you to see him and live, that is his will.

NO, this is your opinion,

God does not change what he says ,what he says his truth,

NO MAN CAN SEE HIM AND LIVE

jud 13.22-23

Jdg 13:11 Manoah got up and followed his wife. When he came to the man, he said, “Are you the one who talked to my wife?”
“I am,” he said.

Jdg 13:21 When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD.

are you testing me ????

[jammin]

the bible said that

read again the verse very well
jud 13.22-23
22 “We're going to die!” he said to his wife. “We've seen God!”

23 But his wife answered, “The Lord doesn't want to kill us. If he did, he wouldn't have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from us. He wouldn't have shown us all of those things. He wouldn't have told us we're going to have a son.”

that ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GOD HIMSELF.
read the whole verse boy

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,11:55)

that ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GOD HIMSELF.

(?)

[942767]

Quote (jammin @ June 17 2012,15:26)

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2012,12:15) Quote (jammin @ June 15 2012,15:01) Quote (942767 @ June 15 2012,14:11) Quote (jammin @ June 15 2012,13:54) Quote (942767 @ June 15 2012,13:34) Quote (jammin @ June 15 2012,13:21) i believe that. i believe that jesus called the father GOD the bible also says that the father called his son GOD Hebrews 1:8 Common English Bible (CEB) 8 But he says to his Son, God, your throne is forever        and your kingdom’s scepter is a rod of justice. Hi Jammin: Yes, of course, Jesus called God his Father, but he also, said that he was returning to his Father and to our Father and to his God and our God, and by this statement he said that he is not our God. And God does call his Son God, but He said to “the Son” he saith, thy throne O God (this is capitalized by the translators, and so, I capitalized it, but there were no capital letters in the manuscripts)…. In John 10 we have this: Quote 34 Jesus replied, “Isn’t it written in your Law, I have said, you are gods?” 35 Scripture calls those to whom God’s word came gods, and scripture can’t be abolished. 36 So how can you say that the one whom the Father has made holy and sent into the world insults God because he said, ‘I AM GOD'S SON’? (CEB) Again, he said that he is God's Son.  Do you believe him or not? Love in Christ, Marty if im going to follow your argument, you should accept that the father is god and not GOD i believe that he is the son of GOD. i also believe that he is GOD by nature. the bible says that. i believe that the father called him GOD. i believe that he called his father GOD study hard boy LOL believe it or not, the son is GOD Hi Jammin: And so, according to you there are two God's? How then are you going to reconcile what you believe with the following scriptures? Quote 1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Quote Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 ONE GOD, AND FATHER OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Of course, these quotes are from the KJV.  Does the CEB state something different than this? Love in Christ, Marty the term of the bible is nature GOD there are no two GODS. do you have two nature HUMAN? LOL the father and the son have only one nature, and that is nature GOD Philippians 2:6 New International Reader's Version (NIRV) 6 In his very nature he was God. Philippians 2:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, study hard boy Oh, then there are not two Gods.  It seems that we are making progress, and: You must mean: “That Jesus is 'Express image of God's Person'”, and so, why don't you just state what the scripture states. He is not “God the Son”, otherwise there would be “two Gods”. He is “THE CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD”.  (Matthew 16 as revealed by God through the Apostle Peter) Love in Christ, Marty did you read my post?? i ask you a qauestion do you have two nature? yes or no?

No.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,19:01)

Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,11:55) that ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GOD HIMSELF. (?)

I'll see Ed's question mark, and raise a 

jammin, Manoah and his wife saw an angel of God, which are sometimes called gods in scripture.  Just like in John 1:1, the English translators have the choice whether to render that scripture as “we saw God”, or “we saw a god”.

Since it should be clear to all that Jehovah is not His own angel, and since Manoah and his wife didn't die like Jehovah said men would if they saw His face, I believe that scripture is better translated as “we saw a god”.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

It is very clear from the context that Manoah literally thought he saw “GOD”,
rather than merely calling an Angel 'a god' as you seem to be suggesting.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

jammin, I'm adding this info from NETNotes for you, Nick and Ed:

Judges 13:22 NET ©
Manoah said to his wife, “We will certainly die, because we have seen a supernatural being!”

Their footnote says:
Or “seen God.” Some take the Hebrew term אֱלֹהִים (’elohim) as the divine name (“God”) here, but this seems unlikely since v. 21 informs us that Manoah realized this was the Lord’s messenger, not God himself.

Another option, the one followed in our translation, understands Manoah to be referring to a lesser deity. The term אֱלֹהִים (’elohim) is sometimes used of an individual deity other than the Lord.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,18:55)

the bible said that read again the verse very well jud 13.22-23 22 “We're going to die!” he said to his wife. “We've seen God!” 23 But his wife answered, “The Lord doesn't want to kill us. If he did, he wouldn't have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from us. He wouldn't have shown us all of those things. He wouldn't have told us we're going to have a son.” that ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GOD HIMSELF. read the whole verse boy

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read again the verse very well jud 13.22-23

Jdg 13:3 The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, “You are sterile and childless, but you are going to conceive and have a son.
Jdg 13:6 Then the woman went to her husband and told him, “A man of God came to me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn’t ask him where he came from, and he didn’t tell me his name.
Jdg 13:7 But he said to me, ‘You will conceive and give birth to a son. Now then, drink no wine or other fermented drink and do not eat anything unclean, because the boy will be a Nazirite of God from birth until the day of his death.

Jamin ,what is it you are after

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2012,11:36)

Hi Mike, It is very clear from the context that Manoah literally thought he saw “GOD”, rather than merely calling an Angel 'a god' as you seem to be suggesting. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

you said: thought he saw “GOD”,

give me translation that says that HE THOUGHT HE SAW GOD

ill wait boy.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2012,11:39)

jammin, I'm adding this info from NETNotes for you, Nick and Ed: Judges 13:22 NET © Manoah said to his wife, “We will certainly die, because we have seen a supernatural being!” Their footnote says: Or “seen God.” Some take the Hebrew term אֱלֹהִים (’elohim) as the divine name (“God”) here, but this seems unlikely since v. 21 informs us that Manoah realized this was the Lord’s messenger, not God himself. Another option, the one followed in our translation, understands Manoah to be referring to a lesser deity. The term אֱלֹהִים (’elohim) is sometimes used of an individual deity other than the Lord.

that supernatural being is GOD himself mike boy

New International Version (©1984)
“We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!”

New Living Translation (©2007)
and he said to his wife, “We will certainly die, for we have seen God!”

English Standard Version (©2001)
And Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, for we have seen God.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
So Manoah said to his wife, “We will surely die, for we have seen God.”

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
So Manoah said to his wife, “We will certainly die because we have seen God.”

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

American King James Version
And Manoah said to his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

American Standard Version
And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he said to his wife: We shall certainly die, because we have seen God.

Darby Bible Translation
And Mano'ah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, for we have seen God.”

English Revised Version
And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

Webster's Bible Translation
And Manoah said to his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

World English Bible
Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, because we have seen God.”

Young's Literal Translation
And Manoah saith unto his wife, 'We certainly die, for we have seen God.'

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

And Manoah said unto his wife,…. Being risen from the ground, where they fell on their faces:

we shall surely die, because we have seen God; by which it appears that he not only believed him to be an angel, and not a man, but a divine Person; for though angels are sometimes called “Elohim”, the word here used, yet good men were not wont to fear death, or conclude they should die on sight of an angel; but their notion was, that an appearance of God to them was death, and were surprised when it did not follow, Genesis 32:30.

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2012,11:45)

Quote (jammin @ June 18 2012,18:55) the bible said that read again the verse very well jud 13.22-23 22 “We're going to die!” he said to his wife. “We've seen God!” 23 But his wife answered, “The Lord doesn't want to kill us. If he did, he wouldn't have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from us. He wouldn't have shown us all of those things. He wouldn't have told us we're going to have a son.” that ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GOD HIMSELF. read the whole verse boy j Quote read again the verse very well jud 13.22-23 Jdg 13:3 The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, “You are sterile and childless, but you are going to conceive and have a son. Jdg 13:6 Then the woman went to her husband and told him, “A man of God came to me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn’t ask him where he came from, and he didn’t tell me his name. Jdg 13:7 But he said to me, ‘You will conceive and give birth to a son. Now then, drink no wine or other fermented drink and do not eat anything unclean, because the boy will be a Nazirite of God from birth until the day of his death. Jamin ,what is it you are after

manoah saw GOD but did not die.
that is GOD's will.

believe it or not

[mikeboll64]

jammin,

I agree with Gill that men weren't wont (accustomed) to fearing death from seeing an angel.  But it is stated very clearly in verse 21 that Manoah “realized that it was the angel of the LORD.”  To me that means Manoah thought he might die just from seeing a supernatural representative of Jehovah. They must be pretty awe-inspiring, judging from scriptural encounters. Some fell to the ground as dead when they saw an angel of Jehovah. Others, like John in Revelation, tried bowing down to them to do worship. So I don't think it's too far of a stretch for Manoah to be worried he might die from the experience.

I agree with the NETNotes information – which I didn't even know was there until today.  And Ed will attest that I thought it should be translated as “a god” long before I read that NETNotes info today.

You can agree with Gill if you want.  But your own conclusion that God is His own angel is baffling the rest of us here it seems.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
I could not possibly answer your question as NET NOTES are not a reliable source compared with the bible.
How could you KNOW anything from such sources?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Can you be put on the hot seat for not answering questions put
in a thread of little interest that relates to another hot seat prisoner?

The Spanish Inquisition would have found a job for you pulling out toenails.

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