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[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ June 01 2012,20:57)

they know that the verse means he has the nature of GOD

They know it means “nature”, but translated it as “form” anyway?

[942767]

Quote (jammin @ May 28 2012,13:14)

Quote (942767 @ May 28 2012,09:24) Quote (jammin @ May 28 2012,01:24) divine nature is the nature of God The scripture states that: Quote 1Jo 4:8   He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love Could that be the divine nature that Jesus and we as God's children of which we are partakers?  GOD IS LOVE! Love in Christ, Marty 2 pet 1.4 says that we can participate in the life of GOD that is the meaning of might be partakers of his divine nature 2 Peter 1:4 The Message (MSG) Don't Put It Off 3-4Everything that goes into a life of pleasing God has been miraculously given to us by getting to know, personally and intimately, the One who invited us to God. The best invitation we ever received! We were also given absolutely terrific promises to pass on to you—your tickets to participation in the life of God after you turned your back on a world corrupted by lust. Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature; not essentially, or of the essence of God, so as to be deified, this is impossible, for the nature, perfections, and glory of God, are incommunicable to creatures; nor, hypostatically and personally, so as the human nature of Christ, in union with the Son of God, is a partaker of the divine nature in him; but by way of resemblance and likeness, the new man or principle of grace, being formed in the heart in regeneration, after the image of God, and bearing a likeness to the image of his Son, and this is styled, Christ formed in the heart, into which image and likeness the saints are more and more changed, from glory to glory, through the application of the Gospel, and the promises of it, by which they have such sights of Christ as do transform them, and assimilate them to him; and which resemblance will be perfected hereafter, when they shall be entirely like him, and see him as he is:

Hi Jammin:

Thanks for that scripture in 2 Peter 1:4.

My point is that this divine nature originates with “the Only true God”. Jesus through obedience to God's Word has become “the express image of God's person”, and so, through the life that he lived we have seen God's character made manifest to us, but the Word of God did not originate from him.

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Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

He was “declared to be the Son of God, according to the spirit of holiness by the ressurection from the dead”. The scripture does not say that “he was declared to be God the Son” does it?

Just teach that “he is the express image of God's person”, and that he is “the Christ the Son of the living God”, without adding to what the scriptures say, and you will have it right.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2012,01:15)

Quote (jammin @ June 01 2012,20:57) they know that the verse means he has the nature of GOD They know it means “nature”, but translated it as “form” anyway?

they know that morphe also means nature.

[jammin]

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2012,11:56)

Quote (jammin @ May 28 2012,13:14) Quote (942767 @ May 28 2012,09:24) Quote (jammin @ May 28 2012,01:24) divine nature is the nature of God The scripture states that: Quote 1Jo 4:8   He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love Could that be the divine nature that Jesus and we as God's children of which we are partakers?  GOD IS LOVE! Love in Christ, Marty 2 pet 1.4 says that we can participate in the life of GOD that is the meaning of might be partakers of his divine nature 2 Peter 1:4 The Message (MSG) Don't Put It Off 3-4Everything that goes into a life of pleasing God has been miraculously given to us by getting to know, personally and intimately, the One who invited us to God. The best invitation we ever received! We were also given absolutely terrific promises to pass on to you—your tickets to participation in the life of God after you turned your back on a world corrupted by lust. Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature; not essentially, or of the essence of God, so as to be deified, this is impossible, for the nature, perfections, and glory of God, are incommunicable to creatures; nor, hypostatically and personally, so as the human nature of Christ, in union with the Son of God, is a partaker of the divine nature in him; but by way of resemblance and likeness, the new man or principle of grace, being formed in the heart in regeneration, after the image of God, and bearing a likeness to the image of his Son, and this is styled, Christ formed in the heart, into which image and likeness the saints are more and more changed, from glory to glory, through the application of the Gospel, and the promises of it, by which they have such sights of Christ as do transform them, and assimilate them to him; and which resemblance will be perfected hereafter, when they shall be entirely like him, and see him as he is: Hi Jammin: Thanks for that scripture in 2 Peter 1:4.   My point is that this divine nature originates with “the Only true God”.  Jesus through obedience to God's Word has become “the express image of God's person”, and so, through the life that he lived we have seen God's character made manifest to us, but the Word of God did not originate from him. Quote Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,   Rom 1:2   (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)   Rom 1:3   Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;   Rom 1:4   And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:   He was “declared to be the Son of God, according to the spirit of holiness by the ressurection from the dead”.  The scripture does not say that “he was declared to be God the Son”  does it? Just teach that “he is the express image of God's person”, and that he is “the Christ the Son of the living God”, without adding to what the scriptures say, and you will have it right. Love in Christ, Marty

really? the bible says Christ is God the only son

John 1:18

Common English Bible (CEB)

18 No one has ever seen God.
God the only Son,
who is at the Father’s side,
has made God known.

[mikeboll64]

Nice translation, jammin.

No one has ever seen God, but thousands saw “God the Son”?  

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ June 03 2012,07:34)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2012,01:15) Quote (jammin @ June 01 2012,20:57) they know that the verse means he has the nature of GOD They know it means “nature”, but translated it as “form” anyway?   they know that morphe also means nature.

Why then did they all translate it as “form” instead of “nature”?  Surely those two words don't mean the same thing, right?  So why do we only see this transition to “nature” in the most recent Bibles?

Like I said, I believe the Trinitarians have invented this “nature” definition of “morphe” in an effort to further their comically flawed, man-made doctrine. It doesn't work anyway, because for one to have the nature OF God, that one cannot possibly BE the God he has the nature OF.

[942767]

Quote (jammin @ June 04 2012,00:38)

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2012,11:56) Quote (jammin @ May 28 2012,13:14) Quote (942767 @ May 28 2012,09:24) Quote (jammin @ May 28 2012,01:24) divine nature is the nature of God The scripture states that: Quote 1Jo 4:8   He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love Could that be the divine nature that Jesus and we as God's children of which we are partakers?  GOD IS LOVE! Love in Christ, Marty 2 pet 1.4 says that we can participate in the life of GOD that is the meaning of might be partakers of his divine nature 2 Peter 1:4 The Message (MSG) Don't Put It Off 3-4Everything that goes into a life of pleasing God has been miraculously given to us by getting to know, personally and intimately, the One who invited us to God. The best invitation we ever received! We were also given absolutely terrific promises to pass on to you—your tickets to participation in the life of God after you turned your back on a world corrupted by lust. Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature; not essentially, or of the essence of God, so as to be deified, this is impossible, for the nature, perfections, and glory of God, are incommunicable to creatures; nor, hypostatically and personally, so as the human nature of Christ, in union with the Son of God, is a partaker of the divine nature in him; but by way of resemblance and likeness, the new man or principle of grace, being formed in the heart in regeneration, after the image of God, and bearing a likeness to the image of his Son, and this is styled, Christ formed in the heart, into which image and likeness the saints are more and more changed, from glory to glory, through the application of the Gospel, and the promises of it, by which they have such sights of Christ as do transform them, and assimilate them to him; and which resemblance will be perfected hereafter, when they shall be entirely like him, and see him as he is: Hi Jammin: Thanks for that scripture in 2 Peter 1:4.   My point is that this divine nature originates with “the Only true God”.  Jesus through obedience to God's Word has become “the express image of God's person”, and so, through the life that he lived we have seen God's character made manifest to us, but the Word of God did not originate from him. Quote Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,   Rom 1:2   (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)   Rom 1:3   Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;   Rom 1:4   And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:   He was “declared to be the Son of God, according to the spirit of holiness by the ressurection from the dead”.  The scripture does not say that “he was declared to be God the Son”  does it? Just teach that “he is the express image of God's person”, and that he is “the Christ the Son of the living God”, without adding to what the scriptures say, and you will have it right. Love in Christ, Marty really? the bible says Christ is God the only son John 1:18 Common English Bible (CEB) 18 No one has ever seen God.    God the only Son,        who is at the Father’s side,        has made God known.

Hi Jammin:

The CEB translation of the bible may say that in John 1:18, but is this consistent with other translations?

Scripture must be line upon line and precept upon precept, and so, How many Gods does the CEB translation say that there is?

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2 First of all, then, I ask that requests, prayers, petitions, and thanksgiving be made for all people. 2 Pray for kings and everyone who is in authority so that we can live a quiet and peaceful life in complete godliness and dignity. 3 This is right and it pleases God our savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 There is one God and one mediator between God and humanity, the human Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a payment to set all people free. This was a testimony that was given at the right time. 7 I was appointed to be a preacher and apostle of this testimony—I’m telling the truth and I’m not lying! I’m a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

CEB

Love in Christ,
Marty

[jammin]

mike,

you do not know greek. i told you to go to school and stop acting like a child,.

942767,

the bible says that the fathr and the son have the same nature and that is GOD

just like you and your father
you are 2 persons but one in form or nature and that is MAN

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ June 03 2012,23:06)

mike, you do not know greek. i told you to go to school and stop acting like a child,.

jammin,

I know a little Greek, and I learn more each day.

But my point is that hundreds (maybe thousands) of translators who DO know Greek have translated Phil 2:6 as “form”, and not “nature”. There are only two translations I have found that use the word “nature” – and they are both very recent translations. Isn't that a little odd since the scriptures have been translated into English for almost 500 years?

Don't you think that some Greek expert would have translated 2:6 as “nature” at least once in all that time? Why the recent push for “nature”?

I'm just thinking out loud here, jammin. You don't have to respond.

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ June 03 2012,23:06)

mike, you do not know greek.

Hi Jammin,

Do you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2012,10:07)

Quote (jammin @ June 03 2012,23:06) mike, you do not know greek. i told you to go to school and stop acting like a child,. jammin, I know a little Greek, and I learn more each day. But my point is that hundreds (maybe thousands) of translators who DO know Greek have translated Phil 2:6 as “form”, and not “nature”.  There are only two translations I have found that use the word “nature” – and they are both very recent translations.  Isn't that a little odd since the scriptures have been translated into English for almost 500 years? Don't you think that some Greek expert would have translated 2:6 as “nature” at least once in all that time?  Why the recent push for “nature”? I'm just thinking out loud here, jammin.  You don't have to respond.

bec mike according to the context, paul is talkng about cHRIST BEING GOD, HE MADE HIMSELF NOTHING AND TOOK THE FORM OF MAN.

why dont you read that verse over and over again and try to understand the real meaning of the verse.

greek scholars know that paul is talking about christ being in the form of GOD, meaning he was GOD before he took the human form.

he has the nature of God.

[jammin]

edj,

go to school first

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 05 2012,20:55)

Quote (jammin @ June 03 2012,23:06) mike, you do not know greek. Hi Jammin, Do you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I guess your answer is “No” then; correct?

[jammin]

poor edj.

you do not know what you are saying

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

Do you know Greek or not? …why the games?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

yes .. and i know what i am saying.
that is why i told to go to school

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

Did you take Greek in School?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

yes of course.
how about you? LOL

go to school boy

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ June 06 2012,00:46)

yes of course. how about you? LOL go to school boy

Hi Jammin, great!

No, I just learned some Hebrew and Greek from my
heavy study of Scripture over the last 40 years.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

well you need to study more

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