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Quote (jammin @ May 27 2012,20:12) you do not know greek mike yes morphe means form
but it also means nature
And what context of Phil 2 tells you that Paul meant “nature” and not “form”?jammin, if we have but ONE God Almighty, and that ONE God Almighty has a Son named Jesus, and Jesus does NOT have a Son named Jesus, then Jesus is NOT our ONE God Almighty.
There is no “nature” or “go study Greek” reply you can make to change this very simple, scriptural FACT.
you can not understand that phil 2.6 unless you go to school and study greek mike.
almighty is the nature of GOD
if you are GOD, you are almighty.
if you are MAN, you are not almighty
Quote (jammin @ May 30 2012,09:05) you can not understand that phil 2.6 unless you go to school and study greek mike. almighty is the nature of GOD
if you are GOD, you are almighty.
if you are MAN, you are not almighty
Jtheir no one in creation that is more powerfull than God the almighty the creator ;so what is your point
power, love ,wisdom ,are the bases of God nature,
and we all have in different portion that nature,but many are stupid and so do not use what they have received in nature,
this is not Gods fault but their own ,
Hi Jammin,
Of course Jesus could not do anything of his own initiative.
He returned to his God and our God.Quote (jammin @ May 29 2012,09:05) you can not understand that phil 2.6 unless you go to school and study greek mike.
Does that mean you can't answer my request about context?the context says in phil 2.6 that he was GOD before he took the form of MAN.
that is the meaning of the verse mike. and paul refers to his nature as GOD.
make your own bible mike.
i believe what the bible says
if you dont believe that the form or morphe also means nature, then make your own bible mike.
Philippians 2:6New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
6 In his very nature he was God.
Philippians 2:6
New Living Translation (NLT)
6 Though he was God,[a]
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2012,07:04) Hi Jammin,
Of course Jesus could not do anything of his own initiative.
He returned to his God and our God.
John 20:28Common English Bible (CEB)
28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”
Quote (jammin @ May 29 2012,19:03) the context says in phil 2.6 that he was GOD before he took the form of MAN. that is the meaning of the verse mike. and paul refers to his nature as GOD
How do you know that, jammin? Paul said that Jesus was existing in the morphe of God. How do YOU know that “morphe” means “nature” in this verse?Nevermind, jammin. I know we'll just keep going round and round with you CLAIMING something your couldn't possibly KNOW for sure.
Quote (jammin @ May 30 2012,12:03) the context says in phil 2.6 that he was GOD before he took the form of MAN.
Hi Jammin,If Christ became a “man”, why then are you saying he remained “GOD”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 30 2012,12:13) Quote (jammin @ May 30 2012,12:03) the context says in phil 2.6 that he was GOD before he took the form of MAN.
Hi Jammin,If Christ became a “man”, why then are you saying he remained “GOD”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Is a caterpillar still a caterpillar when it takes on the from of a butterfly?Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2012,12:09) Quote (jammin @ May 29 2012,19:03) the context says in phil 2.6 that he was GOD before he took the form of MAN. that is the meaning of the verse mike. and paul refers to his nature as GOD
How do you know that, jammin? Paul said that Jesus was existing in the morphe of God. How do YOU know that “morphe” means “nature” in this verse?Nevermind, jammin. I know we'll just keep going round and round with you CLAIMING something your couldn't possibly KNOW for sure.
the bible says that
i told you to study greek mike.
do you know more than those who studied greek mike? LOLyou dont believe what the bible says.
you just want people to believe your illusion mike.,morphe is form or nature
phil 2.6 talks about the form or nature of GOD
meaning, he was God before he took the form of a MANedj,
he remained GOD yes.
the flesh is MAN
the spirit inside that flesh is GODQuote (jammin @ May 30 2012,21:09) edj, he remained GOD yes.
the flesh is MAN
the spirit inside that flesh is GOD
Hi Jammin,Are you suggesting he knew he had been God when he was an adolescent child?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jammin @ May 31 2012,02:46) Quote (Ed J @ May 30 2012,21:32) Hi Jammin, Are you suggesting he knew he had been God when he was an adolescent child?
God bless
Ed J
the answer is yes.
Hi Jammin,It's nice yo see you start to give straight answers for a change! …I hope this trend will continue!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jammin @ May 30 2012,04:09) the bible says that
i told you to study greek mike.
do you know more than those who studied greek mike? LOL
Philippians 2:6
New International Version (©1984)
Who, being in very nature God,English Standard Version (©2001)
who, though he was in the form of God,New American Standard Bible (©1995)
who, although He existed in the form of God,King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Who, being in the form of God,International Standard Version (©2008)
In God's own form existed he,Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
He who, while he was in the form of God,GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Although he was in the form of GodKing James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Who, being in the form of God,American King James Version
Who, being in the form of God,American Standard Version
who, existing in the form of God,Douay-Rheims Bible
Who being in the form of God,Darby Bible Translation
who, subsisting in the form of God,English Revised Version
who, being in the form of God,Webster's Bible Translation
Who, being in the form of God,Weymouth New Testament
Although from the beginning He had the nature of GodWorld English Bible
who, existing in the form of God,Young's Literal Translation
who, being in the form of God,jammin, I count 17 versions that say “form”, and only two that say “nature”.
Apparently, there have been many more Greek scholars who thought it meant “form” than ones who thought it meant “nature”.
And I'll bet that if we checked into every English translation of the Bible that was ever written, about 99% of them would say “form”.
But my question still stands: How do YOU PERSONALLY know for sure Paul meant “nature”? After all, this “nature” definition of “morphe” is a new addition. The older lexicons don't mention anything about nature, but only “form”. I personally think the Trinitarians invented this “nature” definition.
And how about the 100's of Greek scholars who translated those 17 versions I listed in my last post? Didn't any of them “know Greek”?
they know that the verse means he has the nature of GOD
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
(1) The “form” here referred to must have been something before he became a man, or before he took upon him the form of a servant. It was something from which he humbled himself by making “himself of no reputation;” by taking upon himself “the form of a servant;” and by being made “in the likeness of men.” Of course, it must have been something which existed when he had not the likeness of people; that is, before he became incarnate. He must therefore have had an existence before he appeared on earth as a man, and in that previous state of existence there must have been something which rendered it proper to say that he was “in the form of God.”
(2) that it does not refer to any moral qualities, or to his power of working miracles on earth, is apparent from the fact that these were not laid aside. When did he divest himself of these in order that he might humble himself? There was something which he possessed which made it proper to say of him that he was “in the form of God,” which he laid aside when he appeared in the form of a servant and in the likeness of human beings. But assuredly that could not have been his moral qualities, nor is there any conceivable sense in which it can be said that he divested himself of the power of working miracles in order that he might take upon himself the “form of a servant.” All the miracles which he ever did were performed when he sustained the form of a servant, in his lowly and humble condition. These considerations make it certain that the apostle refers to a period before the incarnation. It may be added:
(3) that the phrase “form of God” is one that naturally conveys the idea that he was God. When it is said that he was “in the form of a servant,” the idea is, that he was actually in a humble and depressed condition, and not merely that he appeared to be. Still it may be asked, what was the “form” which he had before his incarnation? What is meant by his having been then “in the form of God?” To these questions perhaps no satisfactory answer can be given. He himself speaks John 17:5 of “the glory which he had with the Father before the world was;” and the language naturally conveys the idea that there was then a manifestation of the divine nature through him, which in some measure ceased when he became incarnate; that there was some visible splendor and majesty which was then laid aside. What manifestation of his glory God may make in the heavenly world, of course, we cannot now fully understand. Nothing forbids us, however, to suppose that there is some such visible manifestation; some splendor and magnificence of God in the view of the angelic beings such as becomes the Great Sovereign of the universe – for he “dwells in light which no map can approach unto;” 1 Timothy 6:16. That glory, visible manifestation, or splendor, indicating the nature of God, it is here said that the Lord Jesus possessed before his incarnation.
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