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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2012,11:52) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2012,18:38) ………but an uncreated Angel, the Son of God, the same that went before the Israelites in the wilderness, and that redeemed Jacob from all evil, Genesis 48:16; called an Angel, being so not by nature, for he is superior to angels in both his natures, divine and human; but by office, being sent to reveal the will of God…………
I agree with all of this except the “uncreated” part.I agree that Jesus was the angel of God who was sent before the Israelites in the wilderness. I agree that as a spirit being and as a man, Jesus was (and is) superior to the OTHER angels of God.
But jammin, any angel OF God cannot possibly BE the God he is the angel OF.
make your own bible mike LOLthe bible says he is not created but supreme over all creation
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2012,11:56) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2012,18:49) the son is not the father mike. how many times do i need to tell you this?
There is but ONE God Almighty, right jammin?Which God has a Son named Jesus? That One is our ONE and ONLY God Almighty. If God the Father is the ONLY One who has a Son named Jesus, then God the Father is the ONLY One who is God Most High.
You can spout the word “nature” until you're blue in the face, jammin. It won't change what I just posted.
that is one of the attributes of GOD mike. As God, you are almighty.
as man, you are not almighty.And the ONLY Almighty God there is has a Son named Jesus, jammin.
If Jesus does NOT have a Son named Jesus, then he is NOT the ONLY Almighty God there is.
Quote (jammin @ May 21 2012,19:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2012,11:52)
But jammin, any angel OF God cannot possibly BE the God he is the angel OF.
make your own bible mike LOLthe bible says he is not created but supreme over all creation
You should make YOUR own Bible, jammin. Because the Bible says “firstborn of every creature”. It is only your INTERPRETATION of those words that tells you “supreme over all creation”.Don't confuse YOUR interpretation of a scripture with what “the Bible says”.
Now, how about you address my point in the quote box above?
you do not know how to read the context mike. LOL
firstborn of all creature in col 1.15 does not mean that he is created. the meaning of the verse is he is supreme over all creation
Colossians 1:15New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
Christ Is Far Above Everything
15 Christ is the exact likeness of God, who can't be seen. He is first, and he is over all of creation.i told you that GOD is called angel of GOD in the OT
read the notes of barnes
Quote (jammin @ May 21 2012,19:48) i told you that GOD is called angel of GOD in the OT
Yeah, I know you told me that. I wonder if President Obama is ever called “the messenger of President Obama”.
Your doctrine has you talking silly smack, jammin. Come out of her.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2012,12:52) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2012,19:48) i told you that GOD is called angel of GOD in the OT
Yeah, I know you told me that. I wonder if President Obama is ever called “the messenger of President Obama”.Your doctrine has you talking silly smack, jammin. Come out of her.
God (son) is called the messenger (angel) of GOD (father)now, do you understand mike?
that God in the OT is Christ.
read again the notes of gill
why are you giving obama as an example? is obama a nature? LOL
MAN is the nature.
the father and the son have the \same nature and that is GODnick,
Gill's Exposition of the Entire BibleYea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed,…. This is repeated in different words, not only for the confirmation of it, it being a very extraordinary thing, and difficult of belief; but to direct to the history here referred to, where the person Jacob prevailed over is called a man, and here the angel; and so Josephus (u) calls him a divine Person; not a created angel, not Michael, as the Rabbins say, unless the Messiah is meant by him; nor Jacob's guardian angel, as Kimchi, every man being thought by some to have one; and much less Esau's evil angel, that was against Jacob, as Jarchi and Abarbinel; for of him he would never have sought nor expected a blessing; but an uncreated Angel, the Son of God, the same that went before the Israelites in the wilderness, and that redeemed Jacob from all evil, Genesis 48:16; called an Angel, being so not by nature, for he is superior to angels in both his natures, divine and human; but by office, being sent to reveal the will of God, and to do the work of God in the redemption and salvation of men; the same that is called the Angel of the great council in the Greek version of Isaiah 9:6; and the Angel of God's presence, Isaiah 63:9; and the Angel or messenger of the covenant, Malachi 3:1; the phrases used denote, as before, the power and prevalence Jacob had with this divine Person in prayer; whereby he obtained the blessing of him, even deliverance from his brother Esau, as well as others respecting him and his posterity;
Quote (jammin @ May 22 2012,05:52) God (son) is called the messenger (angel) of GOD (father) now, do you understand mike?
jammin,It seems that by your use of capital letters, you are making the Son (God) less than the Father (GOD). Is this the case?
Do you believe that the Father and Son are both Gods, but one of them is above the other?
mike, the bible says GOD not GODS
that is their nature.
you only have one nature mike and that is MANQuote (jammin @ May 21 2012,14:51) Quote (942767 @ May 21 2012,09:15) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2012,00:49) Quote (942767 @ May 20 2012,09:36) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,14:09) Quote (942767 @ May 14 2012,13:51) Quote (jammin @ April 07 2012,00:10) i answered that alraedy. are you blind LOL what answer do you want? a yes or no only?
1.no.
2.the bible says mother of the “LORD. “that is my answer.
Hi Jammin:Is Mary the mother of “God the Son”?
the son is GOD.. yes! mary is the mother of the LORD> Christ is Lord and God!thomas said that in john 20.28
my Lord and my God
Hi Jammin:Mary is the mother of “the Son of God”:
Quote 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
There is no scripture that calls Jesus “God the Son” is there?
The scripture states that God is eternal, and therefore, He has no mother or father.
The scripture also calls Jesus the “last Adam”, and states that “he is the express image of God's person”.
When he ascended into heaven he stated that he was going to his God and our God.
Quote Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God. Love in Christ,
Marty
that is just your imagination. the bible says Christ is GOd the only son (monogenes theos in greek )john 1.18
John 1:18Common English Bible (CEB)
18 No one has ever seen God.
God the only Son,
who is at the Father’s side,
has made God known.
Hi Jammin:Scripture must be line upon line and precept upon precept, and monogenes theos, although some manuscripts may have it that way is not consistent with other scriptures that state that Jesus is the “Son of God” not “God the Son”.
This is what God revealed to humanity through the Apostle Peter:
Quote Mat 16:13 ¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? Mat 16:14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Other manuscripts have it “monogenes huis”, and is consistent with what God has revealed to humanity in the revelation given to us by the above scriptures.
And this scripture states that there is “One God”:
Quote Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
Love in Christ,
Marty
truly Christ is the son of GOd. but the bible also says that he is God the only son.the father is God by nature
the son is also God by nature.just like you and your father.
your father is man by nature. you are also man by nature. you are not an animal
Hi Jammin:The scripture states that Jesus is the “express image of God's person(Hebrews 1), and he has said in John 14 that when we have seen him we have seen the Father, and so yes, he has the divine nature of the Father through the works of obedience that he did to the Father's Word.
And so, through his character we have seen God manifest through the life that he lived, that is true. We also are being conformed to this image of the Father.
God in Genesis 1 stated “let us make man in our image”, and Jesus is the last Adam, and the “express image of his person”.
The first man, Adam was made a living soul, like God in that he had a mind, a will, and emotions, a living person, the last Adam was made a “life giving spirit”. This is the Word of God that he obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross. It is through this spirit that our soul is alive to God.However, there is “only one God”.
Quote 1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (jammin @ May 22 2012,21:49) mike, the bible says GOD not GODS
Okay,So you believe in only ONE God Almighty then? Good, because that is the scriptural truth of the matter.
And do you believe the scriptures that our ONE God Almighty has a Son named Jesus?
that is the nature of GOD. if you are GOD, you are almighty. not a lesser God. that is not God by nature. it can be god but not GOD
meaning, that is not really their nature.
just like for exmple mike, you are MAN by nature. the nature of man is not almighty.
you are just MAN.but if you are GOD , you are almighty bec that is your nature as GOD>
942767,
yes there is one GOD. one nature, GOD.
the father and the son have the same nature, nature GOD
Philippians 2:6New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
6 In his very nature he was God.
Philippians 2:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
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