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[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2012,16:33)

edj, you belong to that group. are you always sniffing mosquito coil? that is bad for your brain. LOL

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[jammin]

is that the actual mosquito coil you are sniffing? LOL

[Ed J]

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[jammin]

good job edj.

LOL

[Ed J]

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2012,21:10)

monogenes also means only son..study greek mike. you cant understand me bec you do not have any formal studies in greek

No it doesn't, jammin.

It means “only generated”, “only made”, “only begotten”, etc.

The word can IMPLY “only son”, but the word itself doesn't MEAN “only son”.  Like in John 1:14, it says “the monogenes from the Father”.  And it literally MEANS “the only begotten from the Father”.  Now since we know that the Father has a Son, and not a daughter, then we can infer that “monogenes” in 1:14 refers to God's “only Son”.

But the word never MEANS “only son”.  What if MY OWN “monogenes” was a girl?  Would the word still mean “only SON”?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2012,21:13)

you dont believe that the GOD of the OT has seen by men. if i showed you a verse that the GOD of OT has seen by men, will you accept that you do not know the true GOD?

Nope. But I will show you how you're misinterpreting that verse. Shall we start with Jacob? Or did you have another verse in mind?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2012,21:15)

1. now, if you read the context of rev 1.8-18 it refers to christ. 2. i will come again says the bible.

1. No it doesn't.

2. No it doesn't.

[mikeboll64]

Is that a mosquito coil? I always thought jammin was talking about a street name for sniffing glue or something.

People sniff insect repellent to get high? Wow.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2012,09:27)

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2012,21:10) monogenes also means only son..study greek mike. you cant understand me bec you do not have any formal studies in greek No it doesn't, jammin. It means “only generated”, “only made”, “only begotten”, etc. The word can IMPLY “only son”, but the word itself doesn't MEAN “only son”.  Like in John 1:14, it says “the monogenes from the Father”.  And it literally MEANS “the only begotten from the Father”.  Now since we know that the Father has a Son, and not a daughter, then we can infer that “monogenes” in 1:14 refers to God's “only Son”. But the word never MEANS “only son”.  What if MY OWN “monogenes” was a girl?  Would the word still mean “only SON”?

then you should study greek mike.
you cant understand me bec you do not know greek
monogenes also means only child, only son, begotten etc.

do not make people fool mike. u dont even know greek and you want me to believe you? LOL

study hard mike

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2012,09:31)

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2012,21:15) 1.  now, if you read the context of rev 1.8-18 it refers to christ. 2.  i will come again says the bible. 1.  No it doesn't. 2.  No it doesn't.

i believe what the bible says and not your opinion LOL

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
And you find a version that agrees with you.
So whom do you serve?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2012,09:29)

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2012,21:13) you dont believe that the GOD of the OT has seen by men. if i showed you a verse that the GOD of OT has seen by men, will you accept that you do not know the true GOD? Nope.  But I will show you how you're misinterpreting that verse.  Shall we start with Jacob?  Or did you have another verse in mind?

ok.

ill give you a verse
John 1:18

Good News Translation (GNT)
18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

no one has ever seen GOD but the God the only son(monogenes theos) who is at the father's side.

John 1:18

Common English Bible (CEB)

18 No one has ever seen God.
God the only Son,
who is at the Father’s side,
has made God known.

now who is this GOD of the OT? he has seen by men. ill give you a verse mike.

Genesis 32:30

King James Version (KJV)

30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

did he see God face to face mike? yes or no?

[jammin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2012,13:54)

Hi Jammin, And you find a version that agrees with you. So whom do you serve?

i serve GOD.

commentaries also support what i say. that's what the bible says nick, believe it or not

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
But your derivations are SELF serving.
Are you sure you serve God?

[jammin]

that is just your opinion.

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
Of course

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2012,21:02)

no one has ever seen GOD but the God the only son the only begotten god (monogenes theos), who is at the father's side.

There, I fixed it for you.    Now, what is this scripture teaching us, jammin?  Is it teaching us that Jesus was the only human being to have seen God Almighty, because he is the only human being who dwelled in glory alongside God Almighty before being made into a human being?  YES.

But what does that tell us?  Doesn't it tell us that Jesus is someone OTHER THAN God Almighty, who has seen God Almighty?  YES.

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2012,21:02)

Genesis 32:30 King James Version (KJV) 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. did he see God face to face mike? yes or no?

No.  
Genesis 32
28 Then he said: “Your name will no longer be called Jacob but Israel, for you have contended with God and with men so that you at last prevailed.”

Hosea explains:
Hosea 12
2 “And Jehovah has a legal case with Judah, even to hold an accounting against Jacob according to his ways; according to his dealings he will repay him. 3 In the belly he seized his brother by the heel, and with his dynamic energy he contended with God. 4 And he kept contending with an angel and gradually prevailed.”

There are many scriptures in the OT, where a person was addressing what was known to be an angel of Jehovah, but they addressed Jehovah's representative as if he were Jehovah Himself.

According to Hosea, this was one of those times.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2012,10:59)

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2012,21:02) no one has ever seen GOD but the God the only son the only begotten god (monogenes theos), who is at the father's side. There, I fixed it for you.    Now, what is this scripture teaching us, jammin?  Is it teaching us that Jesus was the only human being to have seen God Almighty, because he is the only human being who dwelled in glory alongside God Almighty before being made into a human being?  YES. But what does that tell us?  Doesn't it tell us that Jesus is someone OTHER THAN God Almighty, who has seen God Almighty?  YES. Quote (jammin @ May 16 2012,21:02) Genesis 32:30 King James Version (KJV) 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. did he see God face to face mike? yes or no? No.   Genesis 32 28 Then he said: “Your name will no longer be called Jacob but Israel, for you have contended with God and with men so that you at last prevailed.” Hosea explains: Hosea 12 2 “And Jehovah has a legal case with Judah, even to hold an accounting against Jacob according to his ways; according to his dealings he will repay him. 3 In the belly he seized his brother by the heel, and with his dynamic energy he contended with God. 4 And he kept contending with an angel and gradually prevailed.” There are many scriptures in the OT, where a person was addressing what was known to be an angel of Jehovah, but they addressed Jehovah's representative as if he were Jehovah Himself. According to Hosea, this was one of those times.

mike study greek.
monogenes also means only son

i suggest you study greek

[jammin]

Genesis 32:30

King James Version (KJV)

30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

did he see God face to face ACCORDING TO THE VERSE mike? yes or no?

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