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Hi Mike,
you said:Quote Jehovah is a god, and since his Son shares His nature, he is also a god. You believe that there are many gods. Do you believe that the 'gods' that are gods other than Jesus and His Father are also gods because they are literal sons of God and have His nature as literal sons always have the same nature as their father? Or how do you believe that they are gods? Can you back up your opinion scripturally?
Mike,
you said:Quote Has there ever been a father and a son who have been the same exact BEING? Is that the case with any human being you know? If WE are not made in a way that a father is the same BEING as his son, and WE are made in the image of God, then why would you make the unscriptural and unsubstantiated claim that God and His Son are the same BEING? In the case of the Heavenly Father and His Son, they are two perfect beings. All other beings are less than perfect and the idea of 'perfect beings' is so out of reach for us imperfect beings that it is hard to understand what two perfect beings would be. If indeed they are both perfect in every way, which I believe they are, then they would never be without unity on all things and they would by nature of their perfection, act as one God authority.
Maybe the closest we can get to relate to this is to imagine an incredible team of two people who work together seamlessly and in complete wisdom and harmony. Acting in harmony with one another is certainly a goal of the church and a theme within scripture.
Mike,
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Also, do you know of any son who existed from the moment his father existed?You totally get stuck here, imo. Do you know how someone who is god by nature could have not always existed? Can someone with their original nature being a god nature have a beginning? If so, they wouldn't be a god in nature, imo. Even man existed within the ovaries of their mother from her beginning as far as 1/2 their DNA. Why couldn't the Son of God have existed within His Father (in full) before He was begotten?
Can you compare a son from an earthly father who was created with a son from an eternal father who was not? Sure there are similarities but there are also vast differences which surely are incomprehensible. You don't seem to want to grasp that, Mike. You are missing the forest for the trees, so to speak.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2012,12:13) Hi Jammin,
The same nature that Jesus of Nazareth had.
what is that? can u elaborate your answerwhat is a human nature nick.
those verses say that he is MAN but what is a human “nature”?
can you answer me or not?Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,00:33) Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,22:08) Hi Jammin, I have the nature of the “New Man”; this is available to you as well!
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness. (see 2Peter 1:4)God bless
Ed J
ill repeat
in 2 pet 1.4, what did peter say1. do you exist in the form of GOD
2. you might be partakers of divine naturepls choose your answer.
Hi Jammin,When you put on the “New Man”,
you too can be a partaker of God's “divine nature”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,07:02)
Tell me: DOES the Bible teach of many gods? YES or NO?
Hi Mike, (Jer.10:10-11)The Bible only teaches only of one God (JEHOVAH).
Though the god's of the nations are mentioned,
it says that they will all perish from the earth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 28 2012,15:30) Hi MB,
Are you seated with Christ ABOVE the gods you mention?
No. I am a flawed human being who is above no one.Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2012,08:27) Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,00:33) Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,22:08) Hi Jammin, I have the nature of the “New Man”; this is available to you as well!
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness. (see 2Peter 1:4)God bless
Ed J
ill repeat
in 2 pet 1.4, what did peter say1. do you exist in the form of GOD
2. you might be partakers of divine naturepls choose your answer.
Hi Jammin,When you put on the “New Man”,
you too can be a partaker of God's “divine nature”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhat is the divine nature
and wen are some men will have it
?Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2012,21:34) Hi Mike,
you said:Quote (mikeboll @ 64) Jehovah is a god, and since his Son shares His nature, he is also a god. You believe that there are many gods.
Yes Kathi,Unlike many here, I actually believe the scriptures.
Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2012,21:34) Do you believe that the 'gods' that are gods other than Jesus and His Father are also gods because they are literal sons of God and have His nature as literal sons always have the same nature as their father?
I believe that the human gods mentioned in the Bible were created in the image of their heavenly Father, but do not share all of His nature.I believe that the spirit sons of God mentioned in scripture have the same spirit nature as the God who brought them into existence. And I believe that Jesus was also created with this same spirit nature.
Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2012,21:34) Or how do you believe that they are gods?
I believe they are gods in that they are mighty beings who hold power over the lives and affairs of human beings. The word “el” is thought to have originally meant “mighty one”, or “one to be revered”. From a human standpoint, the spirit sons of God fit this bill, as can be seen from the immediate bowing down by most humans who are confronted by angels in the scriptures. It is also not hard to revere a being who can single-handedly wipe out 185,000 Assyrians in one night, or hold back the winds of the earth, etc.Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2012,21:34) If indeed they are both perfect in every way, which I believe they are, then they would never be without unity on all things and they would by nature of their perfection, act as one God authority.
Scripture shows that they were not always in unity, as Jesus did not come down from heaven to do HIS will, BUT INSTEAD to do the Father's will. He also asked for the Father to accomplish His goals in a different way than him being crucified.Don't confuse “I always do what pleases the Father” with their wills always being the same. In reality, that statement, and others in scripture, show that their wills AREN'T always the same, but Jesus, as the good servant, places the importance of his Father's will over his own every time.
Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2012,21:34) You totally get stuck here, imo. Do you know how someone who is god by nature could have not always existed? Can someone with their original nature being a god nature have a beginning? If so, they wouldn't be a god in nature, imo.
Then you must also include the angels in your “eternally existed” theory, because they are also sons of God who share the spirit nature of God.Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,19:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,01:00) Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,01:58) mike you dont understand what im saying.
i did not say that the son is also the father. just like you mike, your father is not you. you are also not your father but you 2 have the same nature, MAN.the father is truly GOD by nature, the son is also truly GOD by nature.
I do understand what you're saying, jammin.1. I agree that my father is MAN, and since I share his nature, I am also MAN. But we could equally say that my father is a man, and since I share his nature, I am also a man, right?
2. Jehovah is a god, and since his Son shares His nature, he is also a god. But of those two gods mentioned, only one of them is God Most High, who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them. Jesus is not that One, but the Son OF that One, right?
3. Surely you understand that even though I share a nature with my father, we are two completely different BEINGS/ENTITIES, right?
4. So why, when it comes to Jesus and the One who begot him, do you nonsensically claim that this particular Father and Son ARE the same exact BEING/ENTITY?
5. Has there ever been a father and a son who have been the same exact BEING?
6. Is that the case with any human being you know?
7. If WE are not made in a way that a father is the same BEING as his son, and WE are made in the image of God, then why would you make the unscriptural and unsubstantiated claim that God and His Son are the same BEING?
8.Also, do you know of any son who existed from the moment his father existed?
9. Or do sons ALWAYS come later in time than their fathers?
10. Why then, would you assume that Jesus the Son of God didn't also come later in time than the Father who begot him?
So I do truly understand what you're trying to say. It's just that I don't see any scriptural or logical reason for you to make these claims.
so you accept that you and your father have the same nature.now what is the nature of MAN? do you know mike the answer?
jammin,I've reorganized my post so you can see the 10 questions I've asked you. When you actually take the time to address MY post, it will then be time for me to answer your next question.
Surely you see how it is not fair that you blow off all the points I made and just ask another question of your own, right?
Quote (terraricca @ April 30 2012,01:52) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2012,08:27) Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,00:33) Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,22:08) Hi Jammin, I have the nature of the “New Man”; this is available to you as well!
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness. (see 2Peter 1:4)God bless
Ed J
ill repeat
in 2 pet 1.4, what did peter say1. do you exist in the form of GOD
2. you might be partakers of divine naturepls choose your answer.
Hi Jammin,When you put on the “New Man”,
you too can be a partaker of God's “divine nature”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhat is the divine nature
and wen are some men will have it
?
Hi Pierre,When you put on the new man.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2012,02:05) Unlike many here, I actually believe the scriptures.
Hi Mike,Who doesn't believe the Scriptures here,
since you proclaim there are many?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 30 2012,01:27) Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,00:33) Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,22:08) Hi Jammin, I have the nature of the “New Man”; this is available to you as well!
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness. (see 2Peter 1:4)God bless
Ed J
ill repeat
in 2 pet 1.4, what did peter say1. do you exist in the form of GOD
2. you might be partakers of divine naturepls choose your answer.
Hi Jammin,When you put on the “New Man”,
you too can be a partaker of God's “divine nature”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
im not asking about when you put on the new man boyill repeat
in 2 pet 1.4, what did peter say1. do you exist in the form of GOD
2. you might be partakers of divine natureQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2012,02:13) Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,19:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,01:00) Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,01:58) mike you dont understand what im saying.
i did not say that the son is also the father. just like you mike, your father is not you. you are also not your father but you 2 have the same nature, MAN.the father is truly GOD by nature, the son is also truly GOD by nature.
I do understand what you're saying, jammin.1. I agree that my father is MAN, and since I share his nature, I am also MAN. But we could equally say that my father is a man, and since I share his nature, I am also a man, right?
2. Jehovah is a god, and since his Son shares His nature, he is also a god. But of those two gods mentioned, only one of them is God Most High, who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them. Jesus is not that One, but the Son OF that One, right?
3. Surely you understand that even though I share a nature with my father, we are two completely different BEINGS/ENTITIES, right?
4. So why, when it comes to Jesus and the One who begot him, do you nonsensically claim that this particular Father and Son ARE the same exact BEING/ENTITY?
5. Has there ever been a father and a son who have been the same exact BEING?
6. Is that the case with any human being you know?
7. If WE are not made in a way that a father is the same BEING as his son, and WE are made in the image of God, then why would you make the unscriptural and unsubstantiated claim that God and His Son are the same BEING?
8.Also, do you know of any son who existed from the moment his father existed?
9. Or do sons ALWAYS come later in time than their fathers?
10. Why then, would you assume that Jesus the Son of God didn't also come later in time than the Father who begot him?
So I do truly understand what you're trying to say. It's just that I don't see any scriptural or logical reason for you to make these claims.
so you accept that you and your father have the same nature.now what is the nature of MAN? do you know mike the answer?
jammin,I've reorganized my post so you can see the 10 questions I've asked you. When you actually take the time to address MY post, it will then be time for me to answer your next question.
Surely you see how it is not fair that you blow off all the points I made and just ask another question of your own, right?
mike you will know the answer of your questions when you answer mine first.you agree that you and your father have the same nature, MAN.
now, what is the nature of man?
Quote (jammin @ April 30 2012,03:05) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2012,01:27) Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,00:33) Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,22:08) Hi Jammin, I have the nature of the “New Man”; this is available to you as well!
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness. (see 2Peter 1:4)God bless
Ed J
ill repeat
in 2 pet 1.4, what did peter say1. do you exist in the form of GOD
2. you might be partakers of divine naturepls choose your answer.
Hi Jammin,When you put on the “New Man”,
you too can be a partaker of God's “divine nature”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
im not asking about when you put on the new man boyill repeat
in 2 pet 1.4, what did peter say1. do you exist in the form of GOD
2. you might be partakers of divine nature
Hi Jammin, you can't break God's word apart to change it's meaning!1) 2:5 τουτο γαρ φρονεισθω εν υμιν ο και εν χριστω ιησου
2:6 ος εν μορφη θεου υπαρχων ουχ αρπαγμον ηγησατο το ειναι ισα θεω(Phil 2:5-6) 2:5 This understanding is in you in Christ Jesus:
2:6 In the form that God exists, think it not robbery to be considered equal.2) “According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness,
through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding
great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.” (2 Peter 1:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgdo not explain edj
ill repeat
in 2 pet 1.4, what did peter say1. do you exist in the form of GOD
2. you might be partakers of divine naturechoose 1 or 2 for your answer
Hi Jammin,
The answer is in my previous post.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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