For Ed and Nick

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Thank you for admitting to being a bully.
So you accuse site members of being fearful too?

[Proclaimer]

Nick, you said that you did not know the answer.
Why not leave it there, be happy, and be determined to learn the truth in this matter.
Attacking Mike for making you admit this just makes you look like a sore loser or at least grumpy IMO.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,15:04)

No

Ed do you believe that John 1:1c says that the Word was God himself and that it is not possible to read John 1:1c as a god, or anything else?

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ June 12 2012,22:15)

Ed wrote: No Ed do you believe that John 1:1c says that the Word was God himself and that it is not possible to read John 1:1c as a god, or anything else?

Hi T8,

Why do you insert the word “himself” into your question?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi T8,
Why should we tolerate Mike's sickening triumphalism?
We all Know little and it is not a carnal contest.

[mikeboll64]

Don't worry Nick. I'm done “contesting”.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,06:31)

Quote (t8 @ June 12 2012,22:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,15:04) No Ed do you believe that John 1:1c says that the Word was God himself and that it is not possible to read John 1:1c as a god, or anything else? Hi T8, Why do you insert the word “himself” into your question? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Because you can use the word “theos” qualitatively meaning you are not applying it to an identity.

Like saying Eve is adam, which is correct and different to saying Eve is Adam himself, which is incorrect.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2012,10:47)

Hi T8, Why should we tolerate Mike's sickening triumphalism? We all Know little and it is not a carnal contest.

Nick, if people's egos get in the way then they will get hurt. A humble man cannot be brought down.

If truth triumphs, then I am more joyful about that, than a person who uses truth to triumph himself.

I want truth to triumph and all that personal stuff is between the person and God. This way, I have peace. It is easy to ignore the egos and pride and mine the gold.

I guess that this forum is more about the truth than the people here. But people are people and often think too highly of themselves. That is a problem that they need to work on of course. And I am not naming names, but making a general statement about what I see in this forum.

If a person admits the truth and in the process has hurt pride or ego, then I only care that the truth triumphed. The person with hurt ego or pride should care both about the truth and his priorities. I think that a person like that, needs to humble himself, otherwise he will brought down in a humiliating way.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ June 16 2012,22:27)

Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,06:31) Quote (t8 @ June 12 2012,22:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,15:04) No Ed do you believe that John 1:1c says that the Word was God himself and that it is not possible to read John 1:1c as a god, or anything else? Hi T8, Why do you insert the word “himself” into your question? God bless Ed J Because you can use the word “theos” qualitatively meaning you are not applying it to an identity. Like saying Eve is adam, which is correct and different to saying Eve is Adam himself, which is incorrect.

Hi T8,

Your finger is you and is with you is it not?
But you finger is not you yourself.
I hope that clarifies this.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,06:00)

Quote (t8 @ June 16 2012,22:27) Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,06:31) Quote (t8 @ June 12 2012,22:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,15:04) No Ed do you believe that John 1:1c says that the Word was God himself and that it is not possible to read John 1:1c as a god, or anything else? Hi T8, Why do you insert the word “himself” into your question? God bless Ed J Because you can use the word “theos” qualitatively meaning you are not applying it to an identity. Like saying Eve is adam, which is correct and different to saying Eve is Adam himself, which is incorrect. Hi T8, Your finger is you and is with you is it not? But you finger is not you yourself. I hope that clarifies this. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

is it clarify that ??

it will if only we talk about the finger and not the person ,right ??

or if we talk about the foot or hand and finger then we do not talk about who owns it right

you are quite mix up ;the holy spirit is OF GOD SO NOT God

and sins it can be given to act this would also mean it is not his finger or hand or foot,right

it looks more has an autority to act ,like apointing someone president in your organization ,right???

being president would allow you to do more than if you are only an employe ,Right???

BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE THE OWNER OF THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT ???of cause NOT.

[NickHassan]

Hi t8,
You can judge others for pride?
By whose authority?

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

Is it only you who is allowed to judge others for things like “sickening triumphalism”?

And all for what? Because I wanted a simple answer to a simple question? Shame on me.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Let scripture speak and let all flesh be silent.
Braying your own doctrines and shouting down opposition is not your role here is it?

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,05:28)

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,06:00) Quote (t8 @ June 16 2012,22:27) Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,06:31) Quote (t8 @ June 12 2012,22:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,15:04) No Ed do you believe that John 1:1c says that the Word was God himself and that it is not possible to read John 1:1c as a god, or anything else? Hi T8, Why do you insert the word “himself” into your question? God bless Ed J Because you can use the word “theos” qualitatively meaning you are not applying it to an identity. Like saying Eve is adam, which is correct and different to saying Eve is Adam himself, which is incorrect. Hi T8, Your finger is you and is with you is it not? But you finger is not you yourself. I hope that clarifies this. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj is it clarify that ?? it will if only we talk about the finger and not the person ,right ?? or if we talk about the foot or hand and finger then we do not talk about who owns it right you are quite mix up ;the holy spirit is OF GOD SO NOT  God and sins it can be given to act this would also mean it is not his finger or hand or foot,right it looks more has an autority to act ,like apointing someone president in your organization ,right??? being president would allow you to do more than if you are only an employe ,Right??? BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE THE OWNER OF THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT ???of cause NOT.

Hi Pierre,

Lose the confusion!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,16:10)

Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,05:28) Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,06:00) Quote (t8 @ June 16 2012,22:27) Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,06:31) Quote (t8 @ June 12 2012,22:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,15:04) No Ed do you believe that John 1:1c says that the Word was God himself and that it is not possible to read John 1:1c as a god, or anything else? Hi T8, Why do you insert the word “himself” into your question? God bless Ed J Because you can use the word “theos” qualitatively meaning you are not applying it to an identity. Like saying Eve is adam, which is correct and different to saying Eve is Adam himself, which is incorrect. Hi T8, Your finger is you and is with you is it not? But you finger is not you yourself. I hope that clarifies this. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj is it clarify that ?? it will if only we talk about the finger and not the person ,right ?? or if we talk about the foot or hand and finger then we do not talk about who owns it right you are quite mix up ;the holy spirit is OF GOD SO NOT  God and sins it can be given to act this would also mean it is not his finger or hand or foot,right it looks more has an autority to act ,like apointing someone president in your organization ,right??? being president would allow you to do more than if you are only an employe ,Right??? BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE THE OWNER OF THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT ???of cause NOT. Hi Pierre, Lose the confusion! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

what ????

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2012,15:08)

Hi MB, Let scripture speak and let all flesh be silent. Braying your own doctrines and shouting down opposition is not your role here is it?

Scripture:  Jesus said, “I came down from heaven”, and will “ascend to where I was before”.

Scripture:  Jesus said, “Glorify me now with the glory I had alongside you before the world began.”

Scripture:  Jesus said:  “You are from below; I am from above.”

Nick, SCRIPTURE says Jesus was existing in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being.  SCRIPTURE says that all things, everything in heaven and on earth, were created through Jesus.

It seems to me that I am the one letting scripture speak, while you are the one braying your own doctrines that don't even align with the words of the one you call your Lord.  

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2012,11:17)

Scripture:  Jesus said, “Glorify me now with the glory I had alongside you before the world began.”

Hi Mike, sorry to say, you are misquoting the verse:

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Yes Ed,

I paraphrased the verse from memory. Is there a contextual difference between my paraphrase and the KJV version?

Here is the one I was paraphrasing:
NRSV ©
So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

The difference is in the meaning.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Tell me the difference. What does the KJV version “mean”, and what does the NRSV version “mean”?

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