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More proof of the Antarctica
Honestly Mike, do you believe this is all a scam and the people are all actors?
Seriously?
T8: …yacht and ship navigation of the Southern Ocean…
Mike: Yes, sea faring vessels navigate the southern oceans. And?Go back and read it again and you will know what comes after ‘And?’.Your comment alludes to you not reading the post properly, missing the point completely, or are intentionally ignoring it and belittling the argument made.
Invest a few minutes to watch this video and you will see how you can see the full moon during the day.
While the guy doing the video makes the point that the moon is in line if sight in daylight as much as it is at night, in the diagrams or simulation he shows, you can see at one point the full moon during the day while not being an eclipse.
T8: …seeing moons and planets via telescopes…
Mike: We see lights with telescopes. Circular lights. What is your proof they are 3 dimensional terrestrial bodies?I think you will find all the planets spin.
T8: …satellites…
Mike: Yes, we send many pieces of equipment, called satellites, high up on balloons. We’ve been doing so since the early 50’s. What is your proof that satellites, as NASA describes them, exist in the thermosphere, where the temperature is said to be 3 times hotter than it would take to melt them all?I can see them sometimes in the night sky orbiting quite fast. There is a launchpad about 5 hours from where I live that sends satellites into space. But you would have me believe this is all fake. And for what purpose do we have all these people deceiving us with fake missions, space programs, etc? So we will accept that God created a much smaller creation than the one most believe today that clearly displays God’s eternal nature and leaves even Atheists in awe.
Mike: You simply don’t know your history. Ptolemy’s cosmology had a stationary earth with lights moving around us, and it explained everything just fine from the 2nd century AD until Copernicus in 1600.
Mike, stars are very far away and do not orbit our sun, so the heliocentric model or Flat Earth models can explain star movements. But wandering stars were the thorn in the side of the Flat Earth model because they are part of our solar system, thus the models see them completely different. And they weren’t called wandering for fun, that title was a result of the Flat Earth model which unlike all the other stars, moved in a haphazard way. But you keep ignoring the question about wandering stars, so I will ask again.
Is it a coincidence that when you look at the heliocentric model that wandering stars suddenly have a normal simple orbit around the sun in that model? If the heliocentric model were fake, then how do you account for this astronomical coincidence that happens to place these wandering stars as predictable simple orbits?
Mike: I haven’t looked into the that, so I can’t comment on it. But I’ll see your Southern Cross and raise you a Big Dipper. We in the “northern hemisphere” can see it all year long. Think about that, and we’ll talk more later.
You will look into the Southern Cross and I will look into the Big Dipper. While I am ignorant of it and have head the name a few times, it may be like our Southern Cross and visible in the northern hemisphere. What is the puzzling thing about it in a globe earth model combined with the solar system?
Dig4truth…..so you say Jesus raised up himself from the grave, well if that be the case then he never “really” died, and you are still in your sins, because shams don’t work with God right?
Here is some scriptures that show it was God the Father who raised Jesus from the DEAD not himself.
Rom 10:9.., That if you shall confess with thy mouth the lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that “GOD” has “RAISED” him from the dead, you shall be saved.
So you believe Jesus raised “himself”, right?, well then how are you saved? not believing it was GOD THE FATHER WHO RAISED JESUS ?, SEEMS YOU HAVE A DELIMA
Acts 3:15, And killed the Prince of life, whom “GOD” has (RAISED) from the “dead” whereof we are witnesses.
Acts 2:32, This Jesus has “GOD RAISED UP” whereof we are all witnesses.
Acts 3:26, Unto you first God, “having raised up”, his Son Jesus,
Acts 4:10, Acts 5:30, Acts 10:40, Acts 13:33-34,
1 Cor 6:14, 1 Cor 15:15, Gal 1:1, Col 2:12, 1 Pe 1:21.
13 verses, clearly say GOD THE FATHER, “RAISED JESUS” FROM THE DEAD. Now again , who said, destory this “temple” and in three days (Ì) shall raise it up? Who was the (I) there? Was it not God the Fathers Spirit itself, speaking directly through the mouth of Jesus saying that? Does it not say “In the latter days God spoke “through” a son unto us.”
Here is something else for you to chew on, Rom 8:11.. “BUT IF THE SPIRIT OF HIM WHO RAISED CHRIST JESUS FROM THE DEAD DWELL “IN” YOU, HE
THAT RAISED UP CHRIST FROM THE DEAD, SHALL ALSO QUICKEN (bring to life) YOU MORTAL (dead) BODY” BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU”.Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Dig4,
Until you hear the voice of the Spirit in the mouth of the anointed man Jesus
and in the mouths of the holy prophets and apostles
you will only hear the voices of men.
The Word is spiritual and not earthly
Heb 1.1
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son…
Nick, why then am I upholding Scripture and you seem to be upholding the teachings of man?
The Scripture says that the sun has a circuit that it goes forth and that it runs its race but you hold to the teaching that the earth moves around the sun. Who is hearing the words of men?
Hi Dig4,
You may imagine that you are upholding the truth of God.
But instead you are offering your limited understandings of revelation.
God has chosen to reveal little of His awesome creation to mankind but you grasp straws.
You try to build a house from these few facts but it can only become a straw house unrelated to the truth of God.
Do not kid yourself that God is grateful for the works of your own hands.
Hi Dig4,
Has not God rather chosen to reveal His nature through the wonders of creation?Rom 1.20 f
Are you not limiting His revelation rather to what is written and frustrating His plan?
Dig4Truth,
The Flat Earth is the experience that God gave us of living on Earth. But knowledge increased as it is written that would happen and consequently, we see that the framework of creation comprises of spherical planets including Earth held in orbits around suns by gravity and all wonderfully made. If I created a virtual world and populated it with an AI race, I would give them a Flat Earth experience too probably, but if knowledge increased, they might discover the code that makes their world possible and even discover the hardware like the CPU if they were somehow able to project out of the screen to the dimension their world exists in. In fact it would be fun to watch them discover my handiwork.
God loves man and speaks to him through man’s experience. He sees through our eyes when he talks to us, and doesn’t often talk to us like we are angels in heaven who get a much higher perspective of creation and the things of God.
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.
So why fight to convince people that God’s creation is smaller than what discoveries point to, when today’s increased knowledge shows us a creation that can only be made by an eternal being. Even Atheists are in awe at the universe, its size, precision, and spectacular phenomena. All Flat Earthers are going to convince people of is someone made a dome and it could easily be advanced aliens or even other humans who have placed us inside a zoo or made us part of a reality TV programme for their entertainment.
Men are increasingly without excuse that God created the universe as science is always showing more than expected of the wonderful handiwork of God.
God did all that. Praise him for his handwork and eternal nature.
T8: The Earth tilts to create seasons…
The earth tilts at 23.5 degrees for two reasons…
- It was discovered that people can see Polaris, the north star, as far as 23.5 degrees south of the equator, so it was easier to claim the earth tilts 23.5 degrees than explain how people in the southern hemisphere were able to see through the earth to Polaris.
- They also needed to explain the change of seasons, and this addition of a tilt to an earth that had previously had none killed two birds with one stone.
But let’s do a thought experiment. Imagine the earth as a quarter inch diameter ball bearing (the moon would be a BB), placed at the end zone of an American football field (100 yards long). The sun wouldn’t even be on same field. It would be a five foot diameter ball of fire on the 50 yard line of the next field. That’s how far away they say the sun is from the earth.
The heat from the sun is traveling 93 million miles to the earth (through a vacuum, which is itself a complete impossibility) – or in our scaled down model, 150 yards to the quarter inch diameter earth. Do you really think that tilting the quarter inch ball bearing 23.5 degrees is going to cause a drastic fluctuation in the amount of heat reaching the closer part verses the farther part? Because that’s what they tell us.
But that’s not even the worst part. When the northern hemisphere is having it’s summer, the earth is actually 3.1 million miles farther away from the sun!
So we move the earth 3 million miles farther away, and give it a little tilt, and somehow that’s supposed to bring more heat to the north? I kid you not, man. I mean, who makes this crap up? Tilting a 25,000 mile circumference sphere is going to move the north what… a couple thousand miles closer to the sun? Yet the sun is now 3.1 million miles farther away? Why would anyone in their right mind believe this nonsense?
It’s like a kid roasting a marshmallow for the first time, but he’s scared to get closer than 5 feet from the fire… which isn’t close enough to do anything to his marshmallow. So his parents say, “That’s okay son, just take a step further away from the fire, and tilt the marshmallow a little. That’ll get ‘er nice and brown.” LOL
Hi Mike,
It is fortunate for you that you have someone so wise to rely on.
Nobody else can be trusted.
Just you.
T8: I just read this:
The friction between the earth’s surface and the atmosphere. The atmosphere rotates along with the Earth due to the friction. Friction makes molecules that are in contact with the ground to move. The friction between the air molecules (air viscosity) causes the upper molecules to move.
Again, use discernment. What on earth would make you believe such blatant nonsense? Does a speeding car cut through the air… or take all the air molecules along with it due to friction? How about a plane? T8, the best thing that happened to me during this investigation is that my God-given BS detector began to work again. For years I was like you… believing anything “science says”, without even thinking about whether it made any sense.
So I ask you, does that really make sense to you?
Hey Mike. Yes it would make some difference, but how much is not known by myself. If the difference is noticeable, then I would make the argument that sit between a frozen Mars and a cooking Venus. We are in between in a place often referred to as the Goldilocks Zone. In fact, creationists use this as an argument for intelligent Earth placement rather than random placement of the planet. It is argued often that a little bit forward and we cook and a little back and we freeze. But God placed us in the exact position for life to flourish. But let’s assume for the sake of the argument that the effect of the tilt making a place closer is so small that it is not worth mentioning. There are still two main points as to why each hemisphere heats up in summer and is cooler in winter.
- When the earth tilts toward the sun, you get more sunlight. That is akin to having the heater on for longer and over a period of months that is a lot of extra sunlight or extra heating hours.
- This reason I googled just now. “During the summer, the sun’s rays hit the Earth at a steep angle. The light does not spread out as much, thus increasing the amount of energy hitting any given spot. During the winter, the sun’s rays hit the Earth at a shallow angle. These rays are more spread out, which minimizes the amount of energy that hits any given spot”.
D4T: Mike, I love that video about the map! It just goes to illustrate how we have accepted things that were taught to us…
Yeah, it was both humorous and enlightening. I’m not accepting anything the mainstream is pushing anymore… until I’ve looked at it closely with skeptical eyes and agree that it is rational.
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