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Hi Dig4truth,
you said:
Lightenup, Yeshua was before the world began. Please remember that.
Of course, He was eternally within the Father before He was begotten on day one. Then, all things went from formless to formed by Him and for Him.
Is this your confession Dig:
Do you confess and believe in Christ who was crucified, and do you confess that He is from everlasting-the Son of God?
And also
Him who was with His Father from eternity and from everlasting; God, who was hidden in the height, and appeared in the depth; the glorious Son, who was from His Father, and is to be glorified, together with His Father, and His divine Spirit. And He was crucified of His own will by the hands of sinners, and was taken up to His Father, and He is to come again, in His own glory and that of His holy angels.
Do you confess those things?
Hi Dig4,
Lighten up.
It is you who claims the round earth is flat.
Yes forgive the overlap. The second verse should be Gen 1. 14-19
LIGHT is not the same as A LUMINARY. LIght was created first and then the Luminaries.
The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.
Hi Gene,
Look at the arduous spiritual journey of Paul shown in Gal 1-2.
He touched base with the other apostles after 3 years but it took 14 to get his ideas straightened out.
Finally in Phil 3 . 7-8 he was able to see that his zealous Phariseeism was all rubbish compared with knowing Christ.
patience.
T8: “But the point is if you are inside the car, you essentially have the atmosphere contained and can throw the ball in the air and catch it as if you were stationary.”
And what about the outside of the car or plane? Imagine an airplane flying against a 1,000 mph headwind. Now imagine an airplane flying with a 1,000 mph tailwind. Do you think there would be any difference?
We’re not talking about the people inside the plane, we’re talking about the plane itself.
I really don’t expect a direct answer.
Lightenup: “The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.”
Sounds pretty good. Why do I feel like I’m being set up?
Gravity vs air resistance
And what about the outside of the car or plane?
The outside of the plane or car is the outside of the earth and atmosphere is the point I think. The atmosphere is being influenced by the earth’s gravity like the air inside the car is influenced by the local conditions inside the car, not outside the car. If you stick your hand out the window, that would be like sticking a space elevator up from the Earth and outside a certain point in the atmosphere where the top of the elevator is whizzing through space or the upper end of the atmosphere at least which is being influenced less by gravity.
1,000 mph headwind. Now imagine an airplane flying with a 1,000 mph tailwind.
My quick answer to that for what it is worth is yes there is a difference here. Air resistance makes a difference. A tail wind means you use less fuel to go forward. I imagine a glider could gain ground for a while without spending any fuel. while a head wind requires more energy to travel the same speed. However, the latter also helps you gain height. My quick guess is that the higher you go, the less resistance as far as air pressure goes.
I imagine that you cannot exactly compare air resistance to gravity or even magnetism if you want to think of it like that (ignoring the metallic requirement).
Gravity provides conditions similar to throwing a ball inside a moving car vs air resistance from throwing the same ball on a moving bike.
We’re not talking about the people inside the plane, we’re talking about the plane itself.
Gravity means the plane is like the ball inside a moving car, while air resistance is the same ball on the moving bike. Yes, I imagine both play a part on the same moving plane.
So imagine the car is the Earth and when you throw a ball in the car or the Earth it has the same effect. The fact that the car or the Earth is moving quite fast, you will not notice the effect in either. The ball doesn’t hit the back of the car, likewise, the ball or plane doesn’t suddenly move away from the Earth either.
Hi Dig4,
The Son was conceived and born of a woman and named Yeshua after that.
The Word was with God and was God in the beginning.
The Word was made flesh at the Jordan.
It is written that God created all things through his Word and through the son of God. Your theology dates the cosmos to less than 2000 years old. Anyway, that is another topic.
Hi Dig4truth,
you said:
Lightenup: “The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.”
Sounds pretty good. Why do I feel like I’m being set up?
That’s good that you are thinking. The Light was begotten on day one. The Son is the Light of the world. The Son is the Firstborn of all creation. The Son is the only begotten Son. begotten, not created…
Are you having an ahhh haaa moment yet, Dig?
Think about it, let the Spirit show you what He will with that.
Be blessed, LU
Ahh, the son was begotten not always existing with or as God. Some of the Church fathers called this God’s first work.
Of course the Son was existing with God when the work of His begetting took place from God, His Father. Where else would He be but right there within Him?
John 17:For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee…
The Firstborn of all creation! The Light of the world!
Hi LU,
Jn 6.63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh produces nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
But there are some of you who do not believe.
It Is all about the Spirit of God, not so much about the human vessels
Hi LU,
Indeed the Spirit said through Jesus.
’I proceeded forth and came from God’
and
‘Befoe Abraham I am’
Those unfamiliar with the Spirit speaking through the vessel attribute the words to the vessel.
Of course the Son was existing with God when the work of His begetting took place from God, His Father. Where else would He be but right there within Him?
We also are born again and we were born of our parents physically. Yes, all comes from God originally though, the cosmos included. He is the Father of all spirits. Yes, he is before all things.
Now back the Flat Earth that doesn’t exist.
The Southern Cross debunks the Flat Earth
The Southern Cross appears on the flag of at least five nations including Australia and New Zealand. In New Zealand we see the Southern Cross all year round, the same is true for almost anywhere in Australia, the southern region of South America, and the southern tip of Africa. This proves a globe earth.
Take a look at the following map and explain how the Southern Cross is visible in both Australia and South America at the same time and yet not in North America.
Same goes for New Zealand and Africa as well as Australia and Africa which both see the Southern Cross at the same time, yet somehow not Europe or the Middle East even though they lie directly between.
Explain that using the Flat Earth model. The globe earth doesn’t need to explain it as it is apparent. I have the feeling that Flat Earthers are mostly from the Northern Hemisphere and perhaps have little understanding what the world is like below the equator.
T8: Gravity vs air resistance
And what about the outside of the car or plane? The outside of the plane or car is the outside of the earth and atmosphere is the point I think. The atmosphere is being influenced by the earth’s gravity like the air inside the car is influenced by the local conditions inside the car, not outside the car. If you stick your hand out the window, that would be like sticking a space elevator up from the Earth and outside a certain point in the atmosphere where the top of the elevator is whizzing through space or the upper end of the atmosphere at least which is being influenced less by gravity.
1,000 mph headwind. Now imagine an airplane flying with a 1,000 mph tailwind. My quick answer to that for what it is worth is yes there is a difference here. Air resistance makes a difference. A tail wind means you use less fuel to go forward. I imagine a glider could gain ground for a while without spending any fuel. while a head wind requires more energy to travel the same speed. However, the latter also helps you gain height. My quick guess is that the higher you go, the less resistance as far as air pressure goes. I imagine that you cannot exactly compare air resistance to gravity or even magnetism if you want to think of it like that (ignoring the metallic requirement). Gravity provides the conditions similar to throwing a ball inside a moving car vs air resistance which is like throwing the same ball on a moving bike.”
I would have to say that the inside of the plane or car is NOT like the outside of the plane or car. The outside of the plane or car (demonstrated by placing your hand outside the window when going at high speed – (don’t try this on a plane) is not what’s going on inside the car or plane. These are inclosed spaces. The earth is not.
A headwind vs a tailwind are opposites. To suggest that they have no influence on the flight of a plane is not reasonable. (Influences on the outside of an object.)
If the earth is rotating, whether the atmosphere is moving with it or not, that motion would necessarily produce a different outcome from two planes flying in opposition or with the “rotation”. Near the equator it would be a huge difference!
Think of the assumptions you are making solely based on scientism and not empirical evidence. Empirical evidence has shown that the earth is not rotating. (see Michelson-Morely experiment, Airey’s failure, The Sagnac experiment, etc.) In fact Einstein had to invent some “scientism” to discount these empherical tests to save Copernicus’ theory. That’s an historical fact.
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