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As for cosmic evolution. It matters not what age you put on the universe because no one can prove it conclusively and the Bible certainly doesn’t give us a figure.
But I can tell you that God created the universe and the planets which are globes revolving around sun’s of which earth is one of these planets.
Science and scripture do not have to disagree. But some people on both sides like to make it disagree by either denying a creator and life after death or by saying that the earth is flat falsely claiming that the Bible teaches that. These kinds of people cause unnecessary conflict and polarize each side and damage any kind of logical reconciliation in the minds of those who may be searching for truth. Shame on these people.
After all, the greatest of scientists believed in God. These smart men had no problem with believing in both. Science was based on the premise that God created the cosmos and then analysing the cosmos thereafter.
It is written ‘blessed are the peace makers’ and we know that both true science and a true rendering of scripture are true and there is harmony. Truth comes to us through revelation like scripture and prophecy, understanding as we are led by the Spirit, and discovery as in science and the experience and lessons gained through living in this world. This is balance, but there are many unbalanced people in the world which is a pity because it creates stumbling blocks of which God lays the responsibility at the feet of those who create these. I’m also betting he will show them the true damage they create with their lies and they will see how wretched they really are.
Is implying that someone, who’s arguments you can’t refute, is on drugs being a peacemaker in your opinion?
And yes, D4T, my mind also went right to the billions of years point. Why billions? Because evolution (cosmic, chemical and biological) needs it.
As for Tater’s claim that the Bible doesn’t give an age for our world, it’s just another of MANY examples where he REJECTS the plainly written word of God. Adam was the first man, and was created on DAY 6. Now just follow the genealogies in scripture, and you’ll know that our world is between six and seven thousand years old.
Is implying that someone, who’s arguments you can’t refute, is on drugs being a peacemaker in your opinion?
I’m not saying you are, I’m asking. When someone is incoherent or appears deluded on something that nearly every person can see, it becomes a possibility. So yes or no, do you take recreational drugs of any kind outside of coffee?
The fact is you have been refuted 100 time over now and you claim to not be refuted. That really raises the possibility. I mean there has to be a reason one way or another as to not seeing the obvious. Once drugs is ruled out, I would like to hone in on other reasons how people can get like this. We could both learn a lot from doing this
And yes, D4T, my mind also went right to the billions of years point. Why billions? Because evolution (cosmic, chemical and biological) needs it.
You and I both know that billions of years will not make cosmic evolution work, only a creator. Not even a gazillion years of no intelligent design will produce a working universe.
As for Tater’s claim that the Bible doesn’t give an age for our world, it’s just another of MANY examples where he REJECTS the plainly written word of God. Adam was the first man, and was created on DAY 6
The standard response from young earth creationists. A day is a literal earth day even though they also say that the sun came on the fourth day, so what of the first 3 days. Think for one second. The Bible uses days as years and all kinds of other units.
If you think of ‘day’ as ‘stage’ , then 1160 days, the days of creation, etc are contextual stages, thus a day to us is 24 hours. In prophecy not usually so. In creation, we’ll the sun wasn’t even there for the first few days according to you.
You need to rethink some things and pray a lot about such things. It might not be your calling at all. It could be that you were called to something else hence why you have made such a hash of the things you think you are doing for God.
Please actually answer my question re: drug implication/peacemaker.
As for being deluded on something nearly everyone can see, hello… nearly everyone knows we are the result of a cosmic accident followed by a thousand other fluke accidents, right? You are the deluded one who believes in a magic Sky Daddy, right? Are YOU on drugs?
Finally, a SERIOUS question that deserves a SERIOUS answer… Do you think a “day” REQUIRES the sun? Yes or no? (Search the scriptures for an answer… or just ask someone else like me or D4T or Ed J for them.)
Regarding the sun and day question. How about you answer my question first.
Are you partaking of recreational drugs such as marijuana and / or have you partaken in the last 2 years.
Yes or No.
Ever the peacemaker, to the bitter end I see. I haven’t used ANY mind altering substances – including alcohol – in over 15 years. Not even once in the entire time I’ve known you and the HN crew.
So… does a day require the sun according to scripture? Yes or no?
Interesting. I only ask because every person who espouses conspiracies that are debunked or supported by incorrect ideas that I know of smoke marijuana regularly. I think there is something about that drug and others that make people susceptible to paranoia and to see things that are not real.
Anyway, there are obviously other reasons that a person can become paranoid, delusional, and / or see things that are not there. I guess one reason is just plain ignorance, but when you have debunked ignorance, then ignorance is no longer an excuse. So I think that some people want to remain ignorant because the notion that the Earth is flat and small and that we are basically sitting on a petri dish makes them feel special especially when they are privy to the truth of the Flat Earth and everyone else is supposedly deceived. And I’m willing to bet that most of these people really like the movie The Truman Show and is in fact their favourite movie to the point that they are living the story for themselves and it gives them some kind of meaning. They sort of see themselves as the Jim Carrey character in real life.
But I’ll let you into a little secret. To an eternal God, we are more special than anything you can imagine. No matter how big the finite universe and how many the finite creatures that he creates, an infinite God has infinite love for each and everyone of us. Dividing infinity by any number always ends in infinity. You don’t have to fear. You are special even on the globe and angels watch us and protect us, and there is great celebration in heaven when even one sinner somewhere on the globe repents. Just think about how finite adult humans love their own children and then understand the love that an infinite God has for his children and the celebrations when a new son is adopted into the eternal family of God.
All three should see a different sky but they don’t
As for the day and sun question, I will give you a response when I have time, but for now, posting this video is a good use for my time. It alone debunks the Flat Earth and makes the point once again that the Southern Hemisphere (where I live) totally and utterly debunks the Flat Earth.
Please explain how these three observers see the same sky (albeit rotated) when on a flat earth they would see something totally different. This experiment would not be hard for any three flat earthers to do if each was in a different location, namely South America, South Africa, and Australasia.
t8: As for the day and sun question, I will give you a response when I have time…
It’s a yes or no question. How much time do you need? 🤔
As for your image, the three people don’t ever see the same sky at the same time, any more than you and I do. Each will eventually see what the other two have seen because the sun, moon and stars run God-appointed circuits within the firmament, which surrounds our stationary earth and separates the waters above from the waters below and has windows through which God can flood the earth with those waters above. I learned these things in God’s written word, and I believe them. Why don’t you?
Now… according to SCRIPTURE, is the sun REQUIRED in order for there to be a day? YES or NO?
A day in science requires a sun so in that sense, yes.
In the biblical text, a day (yom) can refer to daylight or 12 hours of day light, 24 hours which includes both day and night, and also to an indefinite period of time. So it is a no because the sun is not required when using the word ‘yom’.
For example. Many interpret the following to be years:
“And the woman fled into the wilderness where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Or
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Many believe these to not be literal 24 hour days. And weeks are not always seven days as measured by the rotation of earth either.
Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Know therefore and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again with plaza and moat but in troubled times.
Then after sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off but not for himself and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.”This scripture cannot literally be a 70 week period.
What you say about the sky and those 3 southern hemisphere guys looking at the heavens is false. They still see the same sky but at a different rotation if they are at the same or similar latitude.
It works exactly the same as the Northern hemisphere. If you were on the same or similar latitude as someone in Europe and both stood facing north and photographed the sky, you both would see a different rotation of the same sky too.
Why not prove it once and for all. If you and two others each flew return to different desti actions such as Sydney, Cape Town, and Buenos Aires, you could test it out. If you all face south and photograph a clear sky and then upon comparison you realise see the same sky but at a different rotation, then the earth cannot be flat right and the southern hemisphere has a pole right?
It would only cost around $1000 each if you looked around for cheap return tickets. That’s good value to prove something to yourself and be saved from delusion and preaching delusion.
Why not. It makes sense and you should enjoy the experience as these cities are great travel destinations.
If you can’t be bothered to spend a grand or two to find the truth, then at least ask yourself why masses of people have not discovered that the sky is different as you say. They haven’t discovered what you say because what you claim is bollocks. This is so easy to test. Are you game?
Be honest. If the earth was flat, there is no way that each guy could see the same stars at the same time. In fact not even one star could be seen by all three at the same time right. Do you agree?
Yes or No.
t8: “Adam was created in the image of God. Men did not evolve from apes. God created man as man and nothing prior. God allowed variation in kinds so animals could adapt to changing environments. They cannot change from one kind to another as the theory of evolution suggests.”
Now approximately how long ago was Adam created? 6 to 10 thousand years, 6 to 10 million years or something else?
I understand that you cannot know exactly which is why I said “approximately”. Your answer could be as broad as “thousands” or “millions” of years.And as glad as I am that you gave me a direct answer on this question you did not address the other two questions.
If the sun were created or in this case “evolved” would be a better word based on the timeframe that you believe, billions of years ago, why did God take so long to create Adam?And a second question, why don’t you believe that the sun was created on day 4 after the earth was created?
No problem Dig, I will give you an answer when I’m back at my PC.
While I’m being questioned, I would like you to answer my question in post #849518 just above.
To answer your question, I’m not sure. The firmament is shaped somewhat like a tent so perhaps they could see some of the same stars, which is what I believe reality to show. But would they be able to see any of the same stars on a globe? I hope you have the answer to that since you asked. I would doubt that they could.
Southern Hemisphere proves the Earth is not flat
Dig
Each person who looks at the sky on a clear night gets to see half the sky. I wonder why that is?
From the equator every star rises in the east, goes straight across the sky and sets in the west, but you cannot see either the north or south celestial poles.
Either side of the equator and you shift away from being at a right angle to the axis of rotation, so the stars do not go straight overhead from east to west. So as you move further north of the equator for example, stars curve south as they rise and vice versa.
So places on the same latitude in the Southern Hemisphere such as Adelaide in Australia and Santiago in Chile get to see the same view of the constellations because the Earth is spinning them past the same stretch of southern sky. The only difference is timing due to the rotation, but the view is the same.
So now back to this representative picture of the Flat Earth. In reality, those three guys see the same sky, but on the Flat Earth they should not. Because reality contradicts what these 3 guys should see on a flat earth, this means the earth cannot be flat.
Skeptics are honest and deniers are liars
Further, imagine the same 3 guys on a boat as far south as they can go before arriving at Antarctica and looking south at the heavens. Why do they see half of the total sky when they are supposedly coming close to the edge of the disk and to the end of the dome? Seriously, this alone debunks the flat earth completely.
And the things is, all this is easy to test but Flat Earthers never do this test?
You see, there is a difference between skepticism and being in denial. A skeptic would do this test to prove himself wrong. A denier will never do or say anything that might expose their belief as not being correct. A skeptic is honest and a denier is a liar. The latter will even lie to himself and unfortunately this is all too common these days.
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