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I believe that nearly all has been debunked. So what is your no 1 reason for believing in the Flat Earth.
I will debunk it.
T8: Hilarious Mike. You have the gall to state that there are only 3 Biblical categories…
1 Corinthians 15
40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another…How many categories of heavenly bodies does Paul list?
T8……This flat earth thing is just a bunch of garbage, designed by Satan to throw you and this site off from it intended purpose by getting you tied up in these worldly issues. We have proven over a thousand times flat earthers are completely ignorant of the obvious truth and have sunk into a whole host of so-called “conspiracy theories ” garbage.
Can’t you tell by now that the “truth” has nothing to do with this subject?, you could take Mike and Dig in a space craft completely around the earth and they still would not admit the truth, they have rejected the truth completely, they would think it was a trick of somekind, this is just a deversion from what is really important. The kingdom of God and his rightiousness which Jesus told us to seek.. Why get ingaged in worldly things like this? This is exactly what Satan wants us to do, get involved with worldly presuites, which has nothing to do with the kingdom of God.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Thanks Gene. You have a point.
The mission of this site is to test all things to see if they are so, especially teachings based or supposedly based on the Bible. And Flat Earth does fit the criteria. However, you are right, because it is not about the truth for Mike and Dig. I guess I’m hoping that a potential flat earther would come here seeking and would see how these flat earth arguments were destroyed and it would hopefully save him/her from falling into the same pit.
If you ask any person who was involved in a cult how they felt when they first heard about the cult and what they believe, they will answer that they thought it was strange, weird, wrong, or stupid. Unfortunately, they focus on it and are swayed over time.
How many categories of heavenly bodies does Paul list?
Okay, I will need to spell it out for you. Meteors are a thing right? Meteors are not the sun or the moon right? So that means they are what?
So Mike makes a point with Scripture and you do what? Deflect, deny and try to distort, at least that’s the way I see it.
We have many choices of what we see in the sky as a streak of light. It could, and often is, one of our failed attempts of putting something into our atmosphere. It could be some debris from a volcano coming back down, just for several options. And don’t forget about the balloons which are our satellites. Which I’m pretty sure even with the proof of this fact you have dismissed this fact. Am I right?
Pay attention diggy.
I am not denying the terminology Sun, Moon, and stars. Of course I like anyone believe these things exist.
What I am asking about are meteorites and other space objects that are by your understanding not the Sun, Moon, or stars.
What are they exactly?
Can you answer that or not?
Here’s an idea. What if the Flat Earth community debate the Hollow Earth community.
Then wake me up when we have a winner and I will debate the winner.
I’m betting you can’t see pixels as they would be too small. The point being, people see different things and usually they see what they want to see. BTW, I’m glad you can’t see the glass dome because there isn’t one.
T8: Yes he states that there are 3 kinds of heavenly bodies, namely the sun, moon, and stars.
I would like to know where meteors fit into his version of this classification. Are they stars, yes or no.
You’re getting closer to my point – with the exception that you seem to think this is something I came up with on my own. Now if you’d just change “he states” to “the scriptures state”, you’ll understand what I’m saying. Because it is YHWH who stated that the three heavenly bodies are sun, moon, and stars. It is Jesus who talked about those three heavenly bodies doing things completely out of the norm to mark his return (sun goes dark, moon refuses to give HER light, stars fall to the earth). It is the Apostle Paul who spoke of the varying degrees of glory afforded the THREE types of heavenly bodies (sun, moon, and stars).
So it’s not that I’M stating these things. I’m just parroting what the SCRIPTURES have stated over and over throughout the entire Bible – from Isaiah to King David to Ezekiel.
And now you ask me and D4T if “meteors” are “stars”. Think logically, and you can answer the question yourself.
- “Shooting stars” been “falling to earth” since the beginning of time in your model. Why on earth would Jesus pick a normal everyday occurrence to mark his second coming? Simple logic is all it takes. It’s like him saying we’ll know he’s about to come on the clouds when the flowers bloom. How stupidly idiotic would that be? Well, equally idiotic as the idea that “shooting stars” – which occur all the time – would be what he was talking about.
- In scripture, there are no “planets”. There are the sun, the moon, the normal stars, and the seven WANDERING STARS. The wandering stars (you call them “planets”) are those for whom darkness has been appointed because they chose to leave their God-appointed circuits. (Jude 1:13, 1 Enoch 21:1-6) The light shows that you think are space rocks (meteors) aren’t included in the Biblical categories of heavenly bodies. So when Jesus talked about the sun, the moon, and the stars, it’s abundantly clear that he was talking about what people in his day considered to be the sun, the moon, and the stars.
- Jesus’ prophesy about the stars falling to the earth was not for those to whom he was talking – but to a future generation. And so that future generation would also have to understand what “stars” are – and understand that them falling to the earth is NOT a normal occurrence, but something that hadn’t happened before. So although we call them “shooting stars”, we all know that they have nothing to do with stars – and that them “falling to the earth” is a normal occurrence, right? As for missiles, nobody has ever considered them “stars”, right? And they are also a normal occurrence, right? So BOTH of your rescue devices are out. So what does that leave? Well, the things that all of us have called “stars” our entire lives… which coincidentally are the very things that the people in the Bible called “stars” their entire lives.
Listen T8, you’ve already said that IF you took Jesus’ prophecy about stars falling to the earth literally, the Bible and your heli model are contradictory. So your only recourse is to not take Jesus’ words literally. That’s your choice, but it isn’t mine. Ad hominem attacks won’t make it my choice, nor convince anyone else that you are right and I am wrong.
I leave you with a simple question: Would it have made sense for Jesus to say that flowers blooming would be one of the signs of his return? Why or why not?
Please pay attention Mike as it saves both of us time. I have never denied Jesus words regarding sun, moon, and stars. My point is a simple one, so please do not cause unnecessary confusion. I’m asking which of the three do meteors or comets fit into. If you don’t know, just say so. I require an answer to this.
None of them. They are electromagnetic anomalies like ball lightning, sprites, and Aurora borealis. They are NOT stars, and therefore NOT what YHWH, Jesus, Paul and every other writer of scripture called stars. What the aforementioned called stars are what WE call stars. And in my Biblically based understanding, they are lights in the firmament that CAN fall to the earth like Jesus said they would. In your godless man based understanding, they are humongous nuclear fireballs that couldn’t get within 50 million miles of earth without melting it.
Face it T8, you’re pretending that stars to Jesus were something other than stars are to us. They aren’t. Jesus was talking about the exact same tiny lights in the sky that we also call stars. And those tiny lights WILL fall to the earth – because my Lord told me so.
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