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Lightenup, here is that one NASA clip we talked about earlier. NASA films most of the ISS footage on a green screen, using fake CGI. But some of the “floating in space” footage is filmed in a zero G plane – often called a “vomit comet”. There are tons of videos of regular people floating around in vomit comets, so it’s easy to check out. The footage below was filmed in a vomit comet with an ISS mock-up inside the airplane. As the plane nosedives, the people and objects inside can float around and do flips and tricks and all kinds of stuff (as you can see on the many YouTube videos of if). But the plane can only dive for so long before it has to level out. The pilot gives a heads up that they are approaching the end of the dive, and crew members start rounding up their floating customers and securing them to the ground before the “gravity” comes back, so they don’t fall from a height and break a bone or get other injuries. The GIF below was shown on TV as “live ISS coverage” – but someone didn’t get the message that the plane was about to level off. Therefore we go from actors pretending to be floating around fixing things in outer space to three clowns being thrown to the ground as the plane levels off without warning.
Kathi… is it possible for the “gravity” to “turn back on” in the ISS? Of course not. So was this filmed on the ISS? Of course not… because there is no ISS in real life. Only in mock-ups, green screens, NASA’s training pool (where the spacewalk footage is filmed), and computer generated graphics.
So while the internet is full of thousands of NASA gaffs, glitches, and goof-ups, all one needs to do is accept that one of them is legitimately faked. Because at that point, a sensible person would ask themselves why they had to fake that one scene, right? And a rational person would come to the conclusion that if they faked just one ISS scene or space photograph and passed it off on us as real, there’s no longer any reason to believe that any of it is real.
And then a logical person will take a deeper look into the Apollo images, for example, and start actually seeing the wet flag waving in the non-atmosphere of the moon. And they’ll notice that they couldn’t possibly take a picture of the earth without aiming the camera almost straight up above their heads. And they’ll notice that the earth from the moon should not look the same size as the moon looks from earth – since the earth can supposedly hold 50 moons inside of it. And then they’ll look at this clip that was passed off as real…
… and think to themselves, “Hmm… if Apollo dude was standing on the side of the moon facing the earth, he’d not only have to aim his camera straight up, but the earth would almost fill the entire picture – not be a little dot you can barely see.”
This is akin to the path I took, Kathi. I hope you and the others here find that path too.
T8: Zech. 10:4
From Judah will come the cornerstone, from him the tent peg, from him the battle bow, from him every ruler.Psalm 47:9
The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted.Revelation 3:12
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God.1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.Galatians 2:9
James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.Okay T8, you’ve managed to find a few topical scriptures that use metaphorical language. Of course you must by now realize that D4T and I have NEVER said the Bible doesn’t use metaphorical language. That’s just a LIE you made up all by yourself, and keep repeating no matter how many times we painstakingly explain your error. That being said, I agree that in each of the scriptures you listed, the words “pillars”, “cornerstone”, and “shield” are being used metaphorically.
But… D4T posted the following, and you just ignore it. This time, I’d like you to address his point…
D4T:Psalm 75:2-3 When I select an appointed time, It is I who judge with equity. 3 ‘The earth and all who dwell in it melt;
It is I who have firmly set its pillars.”
Which are the pillars holding up? The earth or “all” who dwell in it? Are ALL people pillars? Of course not, the clear meaning is the pillars of the earth. Why would God’s “pillars” melt under His judgment if they are His exalted people? They wouldn’t, they will shine like stars!
So in this psalm, are the “pillars” literal, or metaphorical? How about this one…
Proverbs 8:27-30
When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above… when he marked out the foundations of the earth, then I was beside him, like a master workman…
Are the circle, the firm skies, and the foundations of the earth metaphorical in this verse? This one gives you a double whammy, since you can’t say they are metaphorical, and you can’t say it was just ignorant sheep herders describing the world as they saw it back then.
And I’ll end with the most important question…
How did the men who wrote these passages and their contemporaries understand things like Jehovah setting the earth on foundations? And Jehovah holding the pillars of the earth firm? And Jehovah setting the foundations of the vault of heaven on the earth? And a firmament hard as molten glass with windows through which God let in the waters of Noah’s flood?
D4T: Why mock one of the highest pinnacles of spiritual aspirations? Especially when the text ends with; “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
Is this being spiritual descerning? Hmm.
Sadly, mocking is a common tactic for those who can’t rationally address the other person’s points like an adult. I’m pretty sure that nobody in the history of the world has claimed that the pillars in Rev 3:12 are literal stone pillars. It is clearly a distraction method that T8 is using because he doesn’t yet know how to handle the fact that the Bible literally teaches that the earth is set on literal pillars, and has a hard dome firmament over it, in which the sun, moon and stars run on appointed circuits over the fixed and stationary earth.
Dig, my point still stands. You guys cherry pick what is literal and what is metaphoric solely based on bias.
There are plenty of scriptures talking about pillars as meaning the pillars of society or the world as in leaders and kings. But you prefer it to mean actual stone pillars holding up a flat disk. Why? Because you have watched too many flat earth videos and brainwashed yourself.
Remember when you first heard the flat earth gospel and how weird you thought it was in your heart. That feeling is what all feel before they become indoctrinated into a cult. God hands people over to vanity, deception, and perverse things if the consistently push for such things. He helps them resist initially by talking to their heart and giving them that weirdo feeling.
But if they keep pushing in the wrong direction, he hands them over. Of course I am not interested in being handed over to the flat earth cult. I will continue to read scripture with an open heart and mind. I understand that all false teaching uses scripture out of context just like the pillars of the earth / world.
Sadly, mocking is a common tactic for those who can’t rationally address the other person’s points like an adult. I’m pretty sure that nobody in the history of the world has claimed that the pillars in Rev 3:12 are literal stone pillars. It is clearly a distraction method that T8 is using because he doesn’t yet know how to handle the fact that the Bible literally teaches that the earth is set on literal pillars, and has a hard dome firmament over it, in which the sun, moon and stars run on appointed circuits over the fixed and stationary earth.
What are these stone pillars made of?
T8: Remember when you first heard the flat earth gospel and how weird you thought it was in your heart. That feeling is what all feel before they become indoctrinated into a cult. God hands people over to vanity, deception, and perverse things if the consistently push for such things. He helps them resist initially by talking to their heart and giving them that weirdo feeling.
But if they keep pushing in the wrong direction, he hands them over. Of course I am not interested in being handed over to the flat earth cult. I will continue to read scripture with an open heart and mind. I understand that all false teaching uses scripture out of context just like the pillars of the earth / world.
Were the men who wrote the scriptures and their contemporaries also handed over by God to a false teaching cult of vanity, deception and perverse things – like I and D4T were?
T8: What are these stone pillars made of?
What did those who wrote the scriptures and their contemporaries think they were made of? But more importantly, did those people consider them to be real, literal pillars that held up the earth and the firmament? Or did those people believe these pillars were upstanding members of the community?
Don’t try to teach scripture, T8. Open your mind and heart, and allow scripture to teach you.
A thought experiment….
The big aircraft is a Jumbo 757. They tell us the ISS is this size…
Here it is from one mile up; can you still see it?
Here it is from 6 miles up. Can you still make it out?
And now from 192 miles up. Can you see the plane?
Yet we can supposedly see the ISS at 250 miles up, flying by at 17,500 mph? And what about at 369 miles up, T8? Because if you’ll remember, that’s how far away we’d be able to see a plane since we are able to see Mercury with the naked eye at 48 million miles away.
Wake up, people!
Mike, as you asend or decend from objects appear to get smaller, with the maked eye, everyone knows that. So whats your point? What kind of a futile case your trying to make with that?
Haven’t you played this craziness out yet?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
My point is this, Gene: When you watch the ISS live footage of the earth, can you make out any airplanes on the ground? How about airports? How about cities? If not, then how do you suppose we can see the ISS from earth with the naked eye?
They say the ISS orbits at about 250 miles from earth, right? Do you think we’d still be able to see it with the naked eye at 369 miles high?
Sadly, mocking is a common tactic for those who can’t rationally address the other person’s points like an adult.
Just yankin your chain bro.
What did those who wrote the scriptures and their contemporaries think they were made of? But more importantly, did those people consider them to be real, literal pillars that held up the earth and the firmament? Or did those people believe these pillars were upstanding members of the community?
Scripture is not like a story book that anyone can understand. It is full of metaphors and parables because it conveys spiritual things and things that should be hidden from carnal as well as evil men.
Throughout history, men have believed in many different theories that they extrapolate from the Bible. I imagine that many have believed that the beast rising from the sea to be a literal monster making them afraid to sail too far. I wouldn’t put much credence into the scientific ideas of men in Antiquity. Knowledge hadn’t increased that much back then compared to now.The earth is made of rock, so rock would be the best guess. Can’t imagine them being made of carbon fibre or steel.
When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above… when he marked out the foundations of the earth, then I was beside him, like a master workman…
When you think about it, all things were created, so some things came before others. Usually foundation are what the rest of the things are built upon. For example, this Web site’s foundation is the underlying CMS or even the Internet itself. This website sits upon the Internet as its founsation. Is the Internet made of stone or some kind of physical foundation. It is more an abstract idea or service built using physical components. A foundation, pillar, or cornerstone are more often than not, talking about something in the realm of kings, leaders, and other kinds of leadership when it comes to scripture.
Further, we know that God is the great law giver. I would argue that the foundation for many things are his laws both moral and physical. He spoke things into existence and upholds everything by his word. His laws are part of his word. Gravity is a law that holds things in their place for example. It seems you do not believe in that particular law though.
As for the whole mocking thing. We’ll from the get go, this topic has demanded that we do not believe in the frozen continent, space, planets, etc. It seems that bringing up Bigfoot in this context suits. Of course, I don’t want to discuss Bigfoot, but to demonstrate where I think the flat earth debate kinda sits. Just a quick question though. Do you believe in Bigfoot.
Further comment on foundations. The world is not really the planet but the society of men. The foundation is kings and leaders. God can remove these foundations in his judgement.
Gene: “Mike, as you asend or decend from objects appear to get smaller, with the maked eye, everyone knows that. So whats your point? What kind of a futile case your trying to make with that?”
Did you not really understand Mike’s point? Really?
It’s very simple. If you cannot see an airplane of the approximate size of the ISS from 100 miles away why would you expect to see the ISS at more than twice that distance?
Now do you see the point? Can you explain why you would think we can see the ISS, if you do?
Dig4truth. ..i can’t say i have ever seen the ISS WITH MY NAKED EYE, but i am sure i could see it with a telescope, and the SSI with a telaphoto camera could actually see a plane on a run way, EASELY. YOU HAVE TO DEFINE ALL SPECIFIC THING INVOLVED,BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
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