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T8: “A good friend can be a pillar of strength. So they must be made if concrete then right?
Job 9:5-6 It is God who removes the mountains, they know not how,
When He overturns them in His anger;
6 Who shakes the earth out of its place,
And its pillars tremble;Since you deny that the earth has pillars as indicated in the above Scripture and others, what on earth is this talking about?
Do you see a simile or metaphor in the above Scripture?
Psalm 75:2-3 When I select an appointed time, It is I who judge with equity. 3 “The earth and all who dwell in it melt;
It is I who have firmly set its pillars. Selah.Again, where is the simile or metaphor in the above Scripture? Notice the descriptive word “firmly”, this would further indicate the literal sense of the verse.
I’m sure you have a reason for not taking these verses literally so I’m just asking what it is.
Dig4….none of what you posted has anything to do with evidence of chem-trails , have you gone completely maď? You reading into thing that arn’t there, making up by forcing thi b gs to say what in fact tbey do not say, and the presenting things from other conspiracy thoriest like you. Man you talk about suspicious mentality, you people need serious mental help. My advice before you go completely goofy, if you haven’t already, is to seek some professional help.
Remenber what Jesus said, “the last state of that man was worse the the first”, it’s a road your going down, stop while you can.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
T8: Regarding Flat Earthers, either trickery, intentional or nonintential deception, or a lack of scientific understanding of the true observation.
I haven’t used trickery or deception, and my growing understanding of the science behind the observations is only strengthening my resolve.
D4T: What about the fact that most of the FE researchers are Bible believing Christians? If one Christian astronaut should not be discounted then what about hundreds of FE Christians?
Especially when that Christian astronaut can’t remember whether or not he was able to see stars in the sky during the most momentous occasion of his lifetime. Or when his stories about seeing stars during the daytime contradicts other astronauts’ stories about only being able to see pitch black. Not only are the majority of flat earthers Christians, but many of them are new Christians due to realizing that the Bible can be trusted after all.
Gene: Hay Mike do you and Dg4, use marajuana regulary? I have heard reports that it can produce parnoid side effects.
I smoked a little pot when I was a teenager, Gene… and did much worse things than that. But I’m 53 now, and have been clean and sober for over a decade. That’s how I came to God in the first place… I asked for help and He helped. I’ve tried to live up to His expectations ever since.
Maybe you should hear your “conspiracy wack job friend” out the next time he’s laying some truth bombs on you… instead of burying your head in the sand before even hearing the matter.
T8: Unfortunately many who profess the faith believe in dark ages doctrines because they read their Bible wrong. I hate to say it but it is true, that many who profess the faith are in themselves stumbling blocks for Atheists and others who might have entered in to the way. This happens because they hold onto traditions of men and wander into interpretations of scripture using their vain minds.
Amen, brother! Well put! If you ever get around to giving me real answers to my questions in the debate thread, you might just begin to see how profound your statement above really is. Heliocentrism is a dark age doctrine that Christians adhere to because they purposely read their Bible wrong in an effort to force scripture into aligning with the dark age doctrine. Those Christians have been a stumbling block to millions of atheists who are just now entering into the way due to flat earth Biblical creationists who are showing them that the Bible can be trusted in everything it says. And all that previous stumbling happened because self-professed Christians have held on to traditions of men and have wandered into interpretations of scripture using their vain minds. For example, some will interpret the clear Biblical teaching that the sun was created on day four as meaning it was really created on day one… before the earth.
So your words are truly profound and accurate. You just need to read them aloud while looking in a mirror, and hopefully make the connection.
Here you go Gene, if you’re in Montana you can start spraying yourself. As long as you get your license.
https://leg.mt.gov/content/Publications/Environmental/permit_index/weather.pdf
Gene: Deg4….a pillar is simply a support that helps carry weight, the mantel or crust of the earth can be considered as a pillar…
I’m pretty sure it can’t, Gene. Surely you wouldn’t consider the floor or ceiling in this picture a pillar, would you?
Gene: Here is another one, lets see how far you have traveled down that path, the whole world is run by just a few who control all the monetary systems of the whole world, and these few control all the power and money in the whold world. Do you also identify with that conspiracy theory to?
I identify with that known fact…
With so many channels to surf through and so much great programming, why can’t we find anything to watch? 90% of what we watch, listen to and read is owned by 6 companies. That’s a large percentage to just be divided by a factor of six. 30 years ago 90% of media was held by 50 different companies,which is what most people would assume it would be now, but thanks to mergers and buyouts, it’s down to 6 major companies (until someone else buys another). The reason we never find anything new on TV is that 70% of what is on cable is owned by the ‘Big 6.’ That’s 1 out of every 5 hours of television. Comcast now owns 51% of NBC, while GE owns 49% (even though the infographic states that GE owns Comcast), further controlling the market with a top cable provider and a top cable channel.Here is another infographic depicting how much of the market the Bilderberg Group has an impact on by letting these major corporations network with each other. If you aren’t sure what the Bilderberg Group is, it’s an annual, unofficial, invitation-only gathering, where powerful companies meet and discuss the current happenings.https://www.morriscreative.com/6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america/
Click on that red infographic, Gene. Take a good look at what’s really going on. Btw, this story isn’t from some “wack job conspiracy theory” site. You can find the same story on Business Insider and a bunch of other “legitimate” sites. And that last line should say, “where the powerful people who REALLY run the world meet and DECIDE which strings of which puppet rulers they are going to pull next to divide the people of the world, invent wars, and make even more money for themselves.”
I really believe your pot-smoking friend is trying to enlighten you as to the truth of our world. Why do you resist him? What skin do you have in the game? Do you owe something to the godless men who have told you we’re all the products of a big bang that created our world and us? I mean, look at all the pictures and mathematical models and science that “proves” we came from apes who came from lizards who came from frogs who came from fish who came from amoebas. Do you believe that science, Gene? Do you believe those men? Because they are the same ones who produce all the “proof” that says you live on an insignificant spinning ball.
Dude… seriously… you need to start checking out the things your pothead friend is telling you. What can it hurt to just look into it?
D4T: Well you guys, that was a spectacular display of obfuscation.
Obfuscation, willful ignorance, and scriptural gymnastics.
Nick: Hi Mike,
Let them have all the money they want.
We only get a few years here and peace of mind is far more useful.
Stop worrying about poverty, disease and death and get back to what really is important..
I don’t worry about any of that. I feel heartache for those who suffer through it, but I know that these things MUST occur before all things are restored. And I’ve never been one who dreams of being a millionaire. My son’s mom and I used to argue because I wanted to retire in a simple little cabin in the woods, while she had dreams of a 50 bedroom mansion with servants and such. I made some good money for a while, but all in all, my life has resembled this prayer…
Proverbs 30:7-9
Two things I ask of you, Jehovah; do not refuse me before I die: Keep falsehood and lies far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread.
Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you and say, ‘Who is Jehovah?’ Or I may become poor and steal, and so dishonor the name of my God.
And I thank God for this.
Anyway, I agree 100% with your advice to let them have their money. I couldn’t care less about their greed or their earthly possessions. I only wanted to share with you that these are indeed some of the very few people who run our world under the governance of Satan. The kings, presidents, prime ministers and other national rulers you have grown up believing in are nothing but puppets on strings; actors playing their parts of a script written by others much higher up than they are.
Nick: Hi Mike,
So you say rich people are trying to kill us.
To what end?
Without all their slaves how would they keep accumulating assets?
I didn’t say any such thing. In fact, I went out of my way to tell Gene that I DIDN’T know the reason they were spraying the skies with chemtrails. Some think they’re spraying nanobots, and the upcoming 5G networks will power them and make them control us. Some think the chemicals corrupt our pineal gland, or “third eye”, turning us into lethargic dullards who’ll do whatever we’re told without putting up a fight. Some think they are laying down a platform on which they can display holograms of the alien space invaders they will gather us to fight against – like in this 2 minute video…
Others think they are trying to infect us with diseases and kill a lot of us. And still others think they are terraforming the planet to make it more hospitable to reptilian alien overlords who rule the earth behind the scenes. The government says they’re doing it to curb global warming. I myself wonder if it might have something to do with Isaiah 30:25-33. But I honestly don’t know why… I only know that it’s happening because anyone with eyes can see it happening.
As for killing us, how many slaves do they really need to keep them living in comfort? Surely not 7.5 billion, right? Look into the Georgia Guidestones if you really want to know about these things. Here is a quick article that includes quotes from many prominent leaders talking about how abortion isn’t doing the trick, and we need to start killing as many as 350,000 people every day to get the population back under control…
Carved in Stone: “Maintain Humanity Under 500,000,000”–yep, they want us dead
“The elderly are useless eaters” — Dr. Henry Kissinger
“A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” — Ted Turner, in an interview with Audubon magazine
“The present vast overpopulation, now far beyond the world carrying capacity, cannot be answered by future reductions in the birth rate due to contraception, sterilization and abortion, but must be met in the present by the reduction of numbers presently existing. This must be done by whatever means necessary.” — Initiative for the United Nations ECO-92 EARTH CHARTER
Hi Mike,
Yes unbelievers have a huge number of serious matters to worry about.
But at least you have found a platform to stand on and berate others.
D4T: A better question is why would you think that it is not a literal description? You must have something to base that assumption on.
He’s basing it on the helical model of the universe that godless men have indoctrinated all of us into. Otherwise, he’d read “pillars” in a context that is anything but metaphorical, and he’d understand that it means literal pillars.
Samuel 2:8 …for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.
Another good question is how did the ancients, by whom and for whom these words were written, understood these pillars. And we already know the answer to that…
But what did they know? They were just a bunch of ignorant goat herders – not NASA scientists.
Gene: Nike, produce one ortopsy report that says anyone has died of aluminum oxide posining.
Produce one that says anyone has died from smoking a cigarette, breathing in asbestos, or from AIDS for that matter. People die from complications brought on by these things. But just so you know…
Aluminium is neurotoxic. Its free ion, Al3+(aq), is highly biologically reactive and uniquely equipped to do damage to essential cellular (neuronal) biochemistry.
Some studies show that people exposed to high levels of aluminum may develop Alzheimer’s disease…
It’s a neurotoxin that damages our cells and may be linked to Alzheimer’s, Gene. Does that sound like the kind of thing you want them spraying on your grandchildren?
I’m sorry Gene, but you are so very blinded by indoctrination that you think you have to go to war with me and D4T and call us names just for questioning some things, and asking you guys to look into them. You’re acting as if it is your God-given duty to defend and protect the godless men of scientism at all costs – up to and including condemning those who also hold Jesus Christ as their Lord. You stand and defend those who think you’re an idiot and laugh at your silly little belief in a benevolent God, while simultaneously attacking fellow believers who have done nothing more than ask you to look at some things you can see with your own eyes.
But when someone is indoctrinated to the point that they can personally observe the effects of a chemtrailed sky, and then vehemently deny it anyway… what recourse is left to us? At some point it becomes a matter of casting pearls before swine.
Kathi: I looked at your newspaper site. The pictures near the bottom are of several different years…
I didn’t know that, but were you able to see enough of them from the 1-31-18 eclipse to understand the point?
Kathi: …the compilation pictures aren’t identified as to time or order.
I chose the circle ones because I thought they were cool. I didn’t think you’d have a problem figuring out that the first image is the full moon, followed by a little eclipsed, followed by a little more eclipsed, and so on. 🙂 But you can look on Google images and find all kinds of them that composite the photos left to right with time stamps on each one. And you can go on YouTube and find actual videos of the eclipses occurring in real time. I posted clips of a few of them on my own video. I didn’t include this guy’s video, but he’s most certainly not a flat earther. He is baffled as to why the sun and eclipsed moon can be above the horizon at the same time, and then even more baffled about how the moon can be eclipsing from the top down. He’s trying desperately to sound logical while explaining to his girlfriend how the sun (which is up in the sky) is shining under the earth to light the bottom of the moon. It’s only 4 minutes…
Kathi: The sun is not lighting the bottom, the penumbra is lighting the bottom.
From timeanddate.com…
Earth’s Penumbra Causes Penumbral Lunar Eclipses
Like the Moon, the Earth always casts a penumbra into space. However, you don’t need a spaceship to see it. Just look at the Sun during sunrise and sunset. As long as part of it is behind the horizon, you are in the Earth’s penumbra. While this happens twice a day in most regions on Earth, penumbral lunar eclipses only occur every so often because they require the Moon to enter the Earth’s penumbra.
As some sunlight still reaches all of the Moon’s surface directly during penumbral lunar eclipses, they are usually fairly unspectacular. In fact, if the Moon only enters the lighter outer parts of the penumbra, this type of eclipse may even be difficult to distinguish from a normal Full Moon.
The Earth’s penumbra is also involved in partial and total lunar eclipses. It covers the Moon’s surface before and after the Earth’s umbra envelops it. However, this usually goes unnoticed because the phases involving the umbral shadow are much more spectacular.
The penumbra is a shadow, Kathi. It “covers the moon’s surface”, not “lights up the moon’s surface”. Here’s the heliocentric story…
- The moon is full, having the side facing earth completely lit by the sun.
- The moon enters the penumbra, which shadows the moon so slightly that it’s sometimes hard to tell the difference between the fully lit part and the shadowed part.
- The moon passes through the slight shadow of the penumbra into the intense shadow of the umbra, and that’s when we start really seeing the light versus dark eclipse effect on the moon.
Do you understand that, according to your model, the sun is what lights the moon, and the penumbra is a shadow – not a light source? So as the moon is entering into the umbra, the part of the moon that is still lit up is being lit by the direct light of the sun – only maybe slightly dimmer because the sunlight is travelling through the penumbra to light the moon at that point.
So again you have…
- Moon directly and fully lit by sun.
- Moon directly lit by sun, but a little less bright because the sunlight is going through the penumbra to light the moon.
- Moon partially darkened as part of it moves into the umbra, while the other part remains lit by the sunlight that is travelling through the penumbra to reach the moon.
So in any eclipse, the darker part is due to sunlight being blocked from the moon (partially by the penumbra, or fully by the umbra), and the lit part of the moon is due to sunlight still hitting that part of the moon.
Kathi: Did you get your globe?
No. I looked online, but kept trying to figure out what I could do with a ball that has countries painted on it that I couldn’t do with the foam balls I already bought for my Topsy-Turvy video. But I think I’d be able to understand what you’re saying better if you did a little video with your smartphone or whatever. You can post your own videos on HN. Could you do that, because I’m not seeing a top-down eclipse from the words you are saying?
D4T: Here’s another that lays it out in front of your eyes. One would have to be a loon to deny the facts of this.
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title15/chapter9A&edition=prelim
From your link…
No person may engage, or attempt to engage, in any weather modification activity in the United States unless he submits to the Secretary such reports with respect thereto, in such form and containing such information, as the Secretary may by rule prescribe. The Secretary may require that such reports be submitted to him before, during, and after any such activity or attempt.
You have to ask politely first, but then you’re free to seed the sky with neurotoxins and other particles to manipulate the air we breathe and live within to your heart’s content. 😀
Mike….another good cop-out, you can’ produce any proof of aluminum oxide posing, so you propose that it Alzhiamers is the result, sorry that doesn’t fly, why because you haven’t established (Any) actual proofs, exactly as your FE THEORY , speculations, no solid proof, just a bunch of could be’s,maybe’s, while all the time rejecting sound solid proofs, calling them “conspiracies ” when produced. So botton line nothing can prove you guys wrong, because you are extremely biased in you oberservations. No amount of truth would work because of your predesposed mentality. It won’t let any doubt into your minds, so no matter how much proofs given you,it simply goes over your heads. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Mike,
Here is the pic #11 from your ABC 15 site at 5:30 am. It looks like the timeanddate.com picture at 5:30 am.
Now go here and see the animated picture of the same event:
https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/phoenix?iso=20180131
The lighter part of the moon is within the penumbra. The moon is going from below the umbra, up into the umbra, then out of the umbra. When the moon is lighter at the bottom, the eclipse is in the beginning stages of entering the umbra. At about 7:20 am, the left side of the moon is lighter as it is exiting the umbra. On the animation video, pause it and slide the bar to 5:30 am then to 7:20 am. The 5:30 time represents the ABC15 pic #11 and the 7:20 am image represents something close to what your sister took a picture of, from what I can tell without actually seeing the picture.
Mike,
Look at this picture of the full moon NOT inside the penumbra and then inside of the penumbra. There is not much difference.
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