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How to make the flat earth model work in the Southern Hemisphere
To make the earth pizza agree with observation of the heavens in the Southern Hemisphere, all you need to do is imagine that longitudinal lines south of the equator merge at a point like they do in the Northern Hemisphere. When you do that, then everything agrees which is an attribute of truth.
This one simple explanation agrees with our observation of half the night sky. If you are on the same latitude and different longitude, and looking in the same direction, it also explains seeing the same constellations. Travel times are also explained in the Southern Hemisphere which agrees with my travelling times between NZ and South America.
The truth tends to do that. It simplifies things. Just as Jesus who is the truth said: ‘my burden is light’.
t8: What you say about the sky and those 3 southern hemisphere guys looking at the heavens is false. They still see the same sky but at a different rotation if they are at the same or similar latitude.
They can’t possibly see the same sky at the same time. It will be night for one, dusk for another, and dawn for the third, or whatever. One will eventually see the same night sky that the person to his east saw earlier, because the the sun, moon and stars rotate clockwise around us in the firmament.
t8: So now back to this representative picture of the Flat Earth. In reality, those three guys see the same sky, but on the Flat Earth they should not. Because reality contradicts what these 3 guys should see on a flat earth, this means the earth cannot be flat.
Did you account for the stars moving and not the earth? Did you account for the firmament? Like the Scripture says, “Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in”. Or did you simply take the word of godless astrophysicists?
“If we select a flat street a mile long, containing a row of lamps, it will be noticed that from where we stand the lamps gradually decline to the ground, the last one being apparently quite on the ground. Take the lamp at the end of the street and walk away from it a hundred yards, and it will appear to be much nearer the ground than when we were close to it; keep on walking away from it and it will appear to be gradually depressed until it is last seen on the ground and then disappears. Now, according to the astronomers, the whole mile was only depressed about eight inches from one end to the other, so that this 8 in. could not account for the enormous depression of the light as we recede from it. This proves that the depression of the Pole Star can and does take place in relation to a flat surface, simply because we increase our distance from it, the same as from the street lamp. In other words, the further away we get from any object above us, as a star for example, the more it is depressed, and if we go far enough it will sink (or appear to sink) to the horizon and then disappear. The writer has tried the street lamp many times with the same result.” -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (34)
Doesn’t it always come down to perspective? Whether it’s visual perspective or our perspective on God’s Word.
Mike: Now… according to SCRIPTURE, is the sun REQUIRED in order for there to be a day? YES or NO?
t8: A day in science requires a sun so in that sense, yes.
But hasn’t that been the crux of the debate for millenia… that “science” and “scripture” are at odds with each other? Of course that’s not the case at all, but if it were – which of the two would be correct? The flawed logic of man? Or the perfect testimony of the God who created all things? When I see that an interpretation of scientific observations (not “science” itself) is at odds with what God told us, I know that God is true and the interpretation of the flawed human being – no matter how compelling or popular – must be wrong. Let God be true and all men liars, right? So for millenia, when men saw the sun moving over them across the sky, they believed that the earth stood still, and the sun moved over it. That is also the scriptural explanation. BUT… we could also interpret that as the sun standing still and the earth orbiting around it, right? This heliocentric interpretation is not “science” – as many believe. It is merely one INTERPRETATION of the observational evidence. So “science” doesn’t “say” the heli model is correct. Flawed human beings say that this one particular interpretation of the data is correct. God says that interpretation is NOT correct.
I just want you to be clear about that fact. That way you are aware that your statement, “A day in science requires a sun” is erroneous. Because “science” doesn’t require any such thing. This one particular interpretation of the observational evidence requires a sun… not “science” itself. Are we clear on those facts now?
t8: In the biblical text, a day (yom) can refer to daylight or 12 hours of day light, 24 hours which includes both day and night, and also to an indefinite period of time. So it is a no because the sun is not required when using the word ‘yom’.
Yes, the Hebrew word “yom” means EXACTLY the same things as the English word “day”. And just like the English word, the Hebrew word can refer to the sunlit portion of a 24 hour period, the entire 24 hour period, and even an indefinite period of time as in “back in the day of Napoleon” or whatever.
That being said, you listed some scriptures in which “day” and “week” are used prophetically and poetically. But is the creation account a prophetic or poetic entry? Or is it written as a purely straightforward historical account? You will find NO scholar saying the former – and for good reasons…
- The days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because when one examines the many other singular uses of yom in a non-compound grammatical structure throughout the OT, the idea of a literal day is nearly universal.
- The days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because they are accompanied by ordinals (first, second, third, etc.). Of the more than 150 uses of yom with an ordinal in the rest of the Hebrew OT, just one (Hos 6:2) refers to something other than a literal day.
- The days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because of the use of the qualifier “evening and morning” throughout Genesis 1. It seems to go without saying that while literal days have mornings and evenings, figurative days do not.
- The days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because anything other than literal days renders the comparison with Exodus 20:11 a matter of equivocation. Israel worked six literal days and rested for one literal day. God created for six literal days and rested for one literal day. The idea of God creating via a six-point framework and then resting eternally does not seem to offer much of a precedent for Israel’s seven-day workweek.
- Finally, and more historical/theological than exegetical in nature, the days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because this has been the overwhelmingly majority plain reading of the text throughout church history—at least until it came into conflict with the “assured results of modern science.” The old-earth idea of non-literal days is without serious doubt a product not of grammatical-historical exegesis, but of the accommodation of the Bible to the assured results of modern science as independent, norming factors in biblical interpretation. Old-earth creationism is at its heart a blunt denial, I would argue, of the Bible as the norma Normans non normata.
When “yom” is used in conjunction with “evening and morning”, it is a literal 24 hour day. When “yom” is used with ordinals (first day, second day, etc.), it is a literal 24 hour day. But when God creates the Sabbath for humans to work 6 days and rest on the 7th BECAUSE He worked 6 days and rested on the 7th, there can no longer be any doubt. “Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. Because in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.” (Exodus 20:9-11)
Besides, assuming the days in the creation account as long periods of time (millions of years) requires there to be death and decay BEFORE death entered the world through Adam’s original sin. “Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin…” (Romans 5:12)
So the question now is whether or not YOU have any SCRIPTURAL reason to claim that the days in the creation account are NOT literal 24 hour days? The interpretations of flawed men (not “science” itself) tell you that the world is 4.5 billion years old, and that death and disease has been rampant for 4 billion of those years. Scripture tells you that the world is about 6500 years old, and death entered into the world through the original sin of the original man.
Who is right?
Ed: The South is obviously the key
Rather, God’s written word is obviously the key. Did Joshua bid the sun to stand still in the sky – or the earth? Did King David say the sun runs its God-appointed circuit over the earth from one end of the heavens to the other – or that the earth orbited the sun? What is a planetarium? A DOME where the people stand still on the ground while the SKY revolves around them overhead, right? That is our world.
Here’s one of many flat earth explanations for the southern stars. It’s only 6.5 minutes, but you can start 2 minutes in if you want…
Here’s another one that takes 10 minutes of your time. It just goes to show you that there are always other interpretations to how southern stars work, southern distances, etc. One thing is for sure… there is absolutely zero unequivocal evidence that we live on a spinning ball orbiting the sun – and no serious scientist would ever say that this is the ONLY explanation for the observations. So keep in mind that we simply don’t know everything about how the earth works… but we DO know what God told us about how it works.
P.S. You didn’t answer about Q, Eddy. Do you think he (they) are legit? Why or why not?
P.S. You didn’t answer about Q, Eddy. Do you think he (they) are legit? Why or why not?
Hi Mike,
I don’t understand your question ???
Hi Mike,
I watched the first video, and now I’m on the second.
What I see the video maker doing is: showing what is observable and trying to incorporate it onto a flat earth model.
But the obvious flaw in what he presents is: he is only using a 1/4 size dome to do it with
Hi Ed, I’ve got this one queued up for you. The coffee cup caustic phenomenon likely explains a lot of things, as it shows how light reacts after hitting a dome…
Hi Mike,
Yes “Q” is real. And after Donald J Trump is elected for his second term,
he will be dismantling the Federal Reserve – the US will be doing banking.Hi Ed, a LARP is a Live Action Role Playing game. Some believe Q is a teenager in his mom’s basement using his computer to mess with people. Others like me believe that it is a sophisticated operation involving ranking members of the NSA and military intelligence communities. In fact, Q just dropped a minute ago, asking who the 17th head of the NSA was. It was General Mike Flynn. I wonder if he’s saying that Q has been Mike Flynn all along…
Anyway, do you believe it’s a legitimate operation being undertaken by military intelligence? Or someone messing with us?
Ah… I posted before I read your response. Very good. I agree with you. Did you see the recent drop about Flynn? Do you think it’s been Flynn this entire time?
Ed: Hi Mike,
Yes “Q” is real. And after Donald J Trump is elected for his second term,
he will be dismantling the Federal Reserve – the US will be doing banking.I also hear talk of a debt jubilee. All debt cancelled and a bunch of money given out to everyone. Some say this will involve accepting the mark of the beast…
Hi Ed, do you believe it’s a legitimate operation being undertaken by military intelligence? Or someone messing with us?
Hi Mike,
Yes “Q” is real.
Hi Mike,
military intelligence
Ah… I posted before I read your response. Very good. I agree with you. Did you see the recent drop about Flynn? Do you think it’s been Flynn this entire time?
Hi Mike,
I believe Flinn’s conviction will be overturned
Yes sir. And I can’t wait until those 50,000+ sealed indictments are unsealed, the docs are finally declassified as Trump has ordered, and ARRESTS finally start being made. Awareness is slowly occurring right now – with more and more people becoming awakened to the truth of who really runs our world. But in another 3-4 months, look out. MASS awareness all at once will turn this world on its head. And that is one of the reasons Q says it has to be done slowly. It’s like with the flat earth. If Trump commanded NASA to admit that the world is flat and they’ve been lying for financial and evil (Satan) reasons all this time – the minds of most people in the world would melt on the spot. It would be like finding out your mom – after many decades of loving her – never really was your mom, but an impostor. MASS chaos!
So what about the coffee cup caustic? You can see just from the thumbnail image on the video how the actual light source enters the dome from the top (or whatever), yet the person in the center sees that same light straight above his head, and the person clear on the other side of the dome sees not only the bright light source on HIS side of the dome, but that single light from the OTHER SIDE of the dome lights up his entire horizon.
The point being that we simply don’t know enough about how God’s world works. But not knowing whether or not the actual sun at the top of the dome can light the extremities of 180 degrees of the entire dome is NOT a good enough reason to remove yourself from what God Himself told us about the world HE created. There are a bunch of more in depth videos following this coffee cup caustic idea, including a good one that makes a strong argument that we all see the sky from within our own personal dome of vision. Mainstream astronomers acknowledge this as well (think planetarium). Also think about the sun’s rays making a straight line reflection on the ocean that comes right to your feet. Now think about the dude 100 feet to the left of you. HE doesn’t see the reflection land at YOUR feet, right? From his personal dome, that reflection lands right at HIS feet, not yours.
We just don’t know quite enough. I believe there are many who DO know a LOT more than we do – but they’re the ones promulgating the deception for their own personal reasons. There are tons of recently declassified documents from NASA and space agencies around the world where they’re studying the FIRMAMENT. Here’s a 20 minute version that covers a few of these declassified papers…
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