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Nick,
you said:
So his kingdom is not everlasting in the future either.
A Nick made theology perhaps?
2 Peter 1:10Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; 11for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.
Does eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ not mean eternal to you, Nick?
Hi LU,
What made you think from what I said that the KINGDOM was not everlasting?
But you do agree it will be handed back to the Father?
Nick,
you asked:
What made you think from what I said that the KINGDOM was not everlasting?
You words Nick:
“So his kingdom is not everlasting in the future either.”
Nick you asked:
But you do agree it will be handed back to the Father?
From what I can tell, from the time of Jesus’ return to the Father from the dead, the Son was given all reign over everything except the Father in order to destroy all enemy powers including death. The Father “turned over the reigns” to the Son so to speak. The Father had the reigns while Christ was on earth and the Son would be led by what He heard and saw the Father doing. After the Son rose from the dead and fulfilled that purpose, the Son was given the reigns and still has them. One day, after the Son abolishes all rule, power and authority, including death, He will give the reigns back to the Father. The Son will have no need to abolish evil rule anymore.
LU…When Jesus the saints will be resurected and he and the saints will by the spirit of God establish his kingdom on this earth, and at the end of the thousand year rule, Jesus turns over the kingdom to God the Father, Just as scripture say, and Jesus himself will become subject to the kingdom just as everyone else will be.
Then will be fulfilled the saying, “thy” (GOD’S) kingdom come, and “thy” (GOD’S) will be done in the earth as in heaven”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene
LU… Go read 1Co 15:24-28, and come and explain it to us, especially verse 28. Notice the wording “and when “all” things, “shall be” (future tense) subdued unto him (notice the wording, it shows that someone else is the one putting it under his feet, that is GOD THE FATHER DOING THE SUBJECTING OF THE WORLD TO JESUS, HE IS WORKING THROUGH JESUS HIS WILL, AND BRINGING ABOUT HIS, (GOD’S) KINGDOM ON THIS EARTH. Now when that happens, When the Father has put all things under Jesus’ feet, then what?, Jesus himself becomes subject unto him that put “all” things under him, why? That God the Father, may be “ALL” IN “ALL”.
What you and some others, teach about Jesus being a GOD as GOD IS GOD, does not seem to agree with that LU. Because if Jesus were a True God as God is GOD, HE WOULD BE THE ONE DOING IT ALL “HIMSELF”, RIGHT?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi LU,
Yes we can fellowship with the Father and the Son in the ONE SPIRIT.
1jn 1.3
‘..what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us;
and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with a His Son, Jesus Christ.
2 Jn 9
Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God;
the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
It was s going too far to say Jesus is God- he made no such claim.
It is going too far to say there are two beings- the Spirit is one.
Yes the SPIRIT OF THE SON (gal4.6) is from eternity.
Yes Nick that’s right,
The spirit of Christ came from eternity to Bethlehem. (see Micah 5:2)
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God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
Rom 1
Paul, a bondservant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures,
concerning His Son, Who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,
who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead,
according to the Spirit of Holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
through whom we have received grace and apostleshipto bring about the obedience of faith
among all the gentiles for His name’s sake, among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ.
A man, born of a woman, anointed for service at the Jordan.
The Spirit was not quenched till the Jordan.
LU….There is no God the Father, God the Son, God the Spirit, writen in scripture as you believe and preach.
There is “ONE” GOD who “IS” SPIRIT, AND the “man” JESUS who is HIS “Only” begotten human son (from humanity) the “MAN” Jesus who recieved the anointing spirit of GOD, at his baptizm at the Jordan river by John the baptist, WHICH MAKES HIM THE MESSIAH OR ANOINTED ONE OF GOD THE FATHER.
IF YOU SEE JESUS ANY other way, you simply are not seening the “real” JESUS, but the false Jesus that would be decieving men. Remember what Jesus said, “many will come in my name and “DECIEVE MANY”, Luke 21:8, Mat 24:5, Mark 13:6.
NOTICE how Are the “MANY” going to be “DECIEVED”? , by Preaching Jesus, but you see it is a “Diffrent Jesus” they are preaching, that is DECIVING “MANY”, they are not preaching the Jesus of scripture, but a lie about about Jesus, As THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY DOES.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Nick,
you asked:
Does God call Himself a BEING or is that from theology?
His name I AM declares that He exists which is a form of the state of “being” verbs. It is not due to theology. You can call Him a being, Nick.
N: It was s going too far to say Jesus is God- he made no such claim.
Did He claim to be Lord of lords, Nick? Not directly. Is it written that He is Lord of lords? Yes. He doesn’t have to make a declarative statement as to who He is in order for Him to be what He is, Nick. The Father claimed Him to be the God whom He anoints in Hebrews 1. Scriptures declare Him to be God with us, Emmanuel. Scripture declare Him to be called Jehovah our Righteousness. Jesus declares that He is the giver of eternal life. Jesus declares that you can ask Him anything by prayer and He will respond to that prayer. Scripture declares that Jesus knows all things, is the Lord of all, is the Lord of the Sabbath, is the King of Israel, is the First and the Last, is whom all things were created through, The Father gives the Son the credit for being Jehovah who laid the foundations of the earth.
The Father identifies the Son as Jehovah, the scriptures identify the Son as Jehovah our Righteousness. Jesus didn’t have to declare it for it to be so, Nick. I trust the Father on this, why don’t you, Nick?
N: It is going too far to say there are two beings- the Spirit is one.
It was Jesus that said He and His Father are one. I’ll go with Jesus on this, why don’t you, Nick?
Have a great day!
Gene,
you said:
LU…When Jesus the saints will be resurected and he and the saints will by the spirit of God establish his kingdom on this earth, and at the end of the thousand year rule, Jesus turns over the kingdom to God the Father, Just as scripture say, and Jesus himself will become subject to the kingdom just as everyone else will be.
The Son has always been under the authority of the Father, Gene. A perfect son would always remain under the authority of His perfect father. The Son will receive from all creation, the same glory, honor and dominion for ever and ever. Are you grateful for all that the Son is going to do to rid the world of evil authorities? I love to imagine Him riding on a magnificent horse with many following him as He heads out to conquer the kingdom of darkness and restore the kingdom to the glory it was before the foundation of the world when if was just the Father, the Son and the Spirit.
God bless you Gene!
Yes the SPIRIT OF THE SON (gal4.6) is from eternity.
In order for that to be true, the Son who possesses that spirit would have to be from eternity as well. The Lord of lords, Jehovah our Righteousness, was from eternity past.
Gene,
you said to Nick: Yes to us “there is but “ONE” GOD, ONE MEDERATOR BETWEEN THAT GOD AND MAN “THE MAN” JESUS THE CHRIST. How simple, how clear, how can anyone misunderstand that?
That “man” Jesus Christ is the Lord of lords, Jehovah our Righteousness. It was fitting for Him to be the mediator between the Father and the creation since He understood both the heavenly rule and the earthly life in the flesh first hand. We can’t say that the Son did not understand our position by experience. On the other hand, the Father has not experienced our fleshly position personally. Thanks be to Jesus who was God with us to become as one of us and conquer what we cannot. Are you thankful to the Father who sent the Son and to the Son who willingly came so that we could have a mediator that can , by experience, relate to our weakness, Gene?
Hi LU,
Should we add to what is revealed and say there are beings in God or apply other Greek logical derivations to scripture.
Could we still claim to be preaching the truth if we do so? Is that not going too far? 2jn9
Hi LU,
Jesus said we could be one with himself and the Father in Jn 17.
By your understanding we will become God?
Hi LU,
The Spirit is from eternity.
Jesus was born of a woman and born under the law.
He was reborn from above at the Jordan showing us the way we should follow.
Gene,
You asked:
What you and some others, teach about Jesus being a GOD as GOD IS GOD, does not seem to agree with that LU. Because if Jesus were a True God as God is GOD, HE WOULD BE THE ONE DOING IT ALL “HIMSELF”, RIGHT?
Your statement there indicates that you do not understand what people who believe in the one God as more than one person. If Jehovah, who is the God of gods and the Lord of lords is both the Father (God of gods) and the Son (Lord of lords), two persons, then it is clear to understand how Jehovah, the God of gods can give Jehovah, the Lord of lords something.
Appreciate the fact that Jesus has all authority in heaven and earth…at this very moment, Jesus is ruling over the heaven and the earth. Recognize this, think about it. This Jesus who rules the heaven and the earth right now, is our mediator, full of grace and truth. Can you recognize Him as the Lord of lords, Jehovah our Righteousness and worship Him in truth, Gene? Ask Jesus, Himself, to show you if He is the Lord of lords, Jehovah our Righteousness…don’t take my word for it.
Matt 28:17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,…
Blessings!
Nick,
you asked:
Should we add to what is revealed and say there are beings in God or apply other Greek logical derivations to scripture.
Could we still claim to be preaching the truth if we do so? Is that not going too far? 2jn9
No, we shouldn’t add to what is revealed, Nick. Scripture reveals Jehovah is both God of gods and Lord of lords in Deuteronomy 10:17. Paul reveals that the one God is the Father and the one Lord is the Son.
I ask you, should we deny what is revealed, Nick?
Nick,
you said: Jesus said we could be one with himself and the Father in Jn 17.
By your understanding we will become God?
That shows me that you do not understand my understanding. Jehovah is not God of gods and Lord of lords…and someday Nick or Gene or t8 or Mike or me or any created thing. Jehovah is God of gods and Lord of lords, the Father and the Son. Created things cannot also be uncreated things. Uncreated things would be God alone.
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