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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2014,05:29) Hi 94,
Jas 1
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
HIS OWN LUST
So infants cannot sin because without understanding they cannot be enticed.
But when it comes to those with undesize]rstanding who can be spoken to “All have sinned”
Do you agree or not?
Nick, James is speaking to adults in the church who have been in the world and have been polluted.And infant is born with a free will and so, at some point he will be enticed, but not because he has lusts with in him already.
When he watched television and the lays potato chip advertisement said “I will bet that you can't eat just one”, then he bought a whole bag and ate the whole thing at one sitting, and then they added a little “msg” and he ate more of his share of lays potato chips and he became a glutton, but he was not a glutton at his infancy.
These things enter your mind through your five senses, and then your heart when you obey the temptation then they become lusts.
This is how it happened to Eve in the garden of Eden:
First she believe “a lie”.
Quote Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Quote Gen 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely dieAnd then a little bit of truth mixed in with the lie:
Quote Gen 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.And so, the temptation came from without, not from within initially, and we know that the serpent is still in the garden (this world that we live in}.
And then this is what happened:
Quote Gen 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.She saw that the tree was good for food, and pleasant to the eyes and a tree desired to make one wise
She did what:
she ate from the tree
That is how it happens to us as well. As infant we just as innocent as she was, but now she is not longer innocent. These things are in her heart and the only way to get them out is to ask God for forgiveness and ask him to cleanse you from these things, and for us as Christians, is for God to wash us clean in His own blood, and give us a new start, and we have that when we are born again, but then “when the unclean spirit is gone out of a man” then it comes back and entices us with those lusts from which we were cleansed.
The scripture is in Luke, I believe, but I need to go.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2014,10:09) Hi T,
Why do you say this?
NYOU MEAN THIS
;;;NO NICK NOT THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IF THIS WAS TRUE THEN GOD ALSO CREATED SIN , BUT YES AS YOU ARE THINKING THAT “THE WORD OF GOD” IS ONLY THE SPIRIT(IDEA) OF CHRIST ,AND NOT THE TRUE SON OF GOD,
IT LIKE YOU TELLING ME THAT MEDICATION WAS MADE BEFORE THE ILLNESS IS APPEARING ;
IT LOOKS OBVIOUS THAT THE ONE THAT MAKES THE MEDICATION AS ALSO CREATED THE ILLNESS
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2014,05:40) Hi 94,
Mark 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,So temptation comes from within and from within proceeds sin
Hi 94,
Polluted?
These are cleansed menMk 7.20
What emerges from WITHIN a man. that and nothing else is what makes him impure”Think about it
ALL
when do you think the future child to be born ;will be affected by the mother and father and his surroundings,before conception
after before his birth or after
when he is 1 /2/3/4/5/6/ ……. years old anyone for an answer
Marty ? nick ??
Quote (942767 @ June 08 2014,13:31) No, Mike: That is pure speculation. The scripture does not say how he was in heaven prior to being born into this world, only that he came down from heaven, and he said that he was going to ascend where he was before……
Marty,When a PERSON says he came down FROM heaven – isn't it a fair speculation that this person was actually IN heaven before he came down FROM heaven?
When that PERSON says people will see him ascend TO WHERE HE WAS BEFORE, and then people watch as he ascends TO HEAVEN – isn't it a fair speculation that HEAVEN is the place HE WAS BEFORE?
I mean, where exactly am I making a mistake here? My Lord Jesus clearly said he came down from heaven, and would ascend to where he was before. And we all know he ascended to heaven, right?
How can we believe the “ascended TO heaven” part and not believe the “came down FROM heaven” part?
How can we believe the “ascended to WHERE I WAS BEFORE” part – without actually believing he WAS there before?
Explain these things to me, Marty. Show me where my misunderstanding is.
Hi MB,
Indeed that is exactly what a man of natural vision would say.
But there is more in the spiritual view.Nick,
JESUS said the words of John 6. There is no scriptural indication that some “spirit” was saying those words through Jesus. Nor would those words make any sense whatsoever IF some “spirit” was saying them.
They are the words of a PERSON, who had a will of his own, but came down from heaven to do God's will instead of his own will.
That will was that this PERSON not lose any of those God had given him. Who is the PERSON God gave 12 human beings to?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2014,07:37) Hi MB,
If you are deaf to the Spirit of the Son nobody can help you.
Nickdummy answers is useless ,
please tell to Mike that he is wrong and show him why ,and with the scriptures show, that the spirit of Christ reside in you ,make your understand you have in the scriptures tell the truth .
now if you cannot do that then why are you here
to tell stories
about men ? the world useless talkQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2014,08:13) Hi T,
it is impossible to show natural men what is of the Spirit.
NANOTHER USELESS ANSWER
Amen Pierre. Nothing but useless answers. But then again, what else does he have?
There is no scripture that says ANY spirit ever spoke words out of Jesus' body.
We are only told that the Father spoke “through him”, which Jesus explained as, “I have given them the words you gave me”.
So only THE FATHER is ever said to have “spoken through” Jesus – and it is clear that THE FATHER didn't say, “I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but to do the will of him who sent me”.
I see Gene and Adam were both smart, like the Pharisees in the following passage:
Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”“The son of David,” they replied.
43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,
44
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?”
46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.
On the other hand, Nick is still talking – although he hasn't SAID anything for weeks.
(Btw Adam, the above passage speaks of Jesus' pre-existence, and it is recorded in Matthew, Luke, and Mark. So it is not only John – like you claim.)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2014,11:05) Quote (942767 @ June 08 2014,13:31) No, Mike: That is pure speculation. The scripture does not say how he was in heaven prior to being born into this world, only that he came down from heaven, and he said that he was going to ascend where he was before……
Marty,When a PERSON says he came down FROM heaven – isn't it a fair speculation that this person was actually IN heaven before he came down FROM heaven?
When that PERSON says people will see him ascend TO WHERE HE WAS BEFORE, and then people watch as he ascends TO HEAVEN – isn't it a fair speculation that HEAVEN is the place HE WAS BEFORE?
I mean, where exactly am I making a mistake here? My Lord Jesus clearly said he came down from heaven, and would ascend to where he was before. And we all know he ascended to heaven, right?
How can we believe the “ascended TO heaven” part and not believe the “came down FROM heaven” part?
How can we believe the “ascended to WHERE I WAS BEFORE” part – without actually believing he WAS there before?
Explain these things to me, Marty. Show me where my misunderstanding is.
Hi Mike:If you read John 6 when he is stating that he came down from heaven, he answers his disciples, those who had difficulty with understanding him about eating his flesh, with the following scripture:
Quote Jhn 6:62
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?Jhn 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.And so, the Words that he would speak to humanity were in heaven with the Father. It is the Father that indwelt him and spoke to humanity through him.
And so, yes the spirit, the Words that God would speak to humanity through him at this specific point in time were with God in heaven from the beginning of the worlds.
And he state at the beginning of his speaking on this subject that it was the Father that gives the true bread from heaven.
Quote Jhn 6:32
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.Jhn 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the worldWe know that the flesh body that he spoke to humanity was not in heaven in the state that he was speaking these words.
The scripture tells us that “he was foreordained”, and that God “in the fullness of time, sent forth His Son made of a woman, made under the law”.
Quote 1Pe 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;1Pe 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:1Pe 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,Quote 1Jo 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1Jo 1:2
(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)Quote Gal 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,And so, you ask, me what are you misunderstanding the scriptures that state that he was in heaven and going back to heaven by stating that he was in some other physical state and making it fit into these scriptures.
You can't “add to God's Word”, Mike, the scripture does not state that he was some other being in heaven and then became a man to accomplish the Father's will.
That is where you are going wrong
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Mike:
Quote Marty, When a PERSON says he came down FROM heaven – isn't it a fair speculation that this person was actually IN heaven before he came down FROM heaven?
Speculation is speculation, and not scripture, and so, if he said he was in heaven and going back, then you have to study the scriptures to understand what he is saying by this.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2014,03:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2014,05:40) Hi 94,
Mark 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,So temptation comes from within and from within proceeds sin
Hi 94,
Polluted?
These are cleansed menMk 7.20
What emerges from WITHIN a man. that and nothing else is what makes him impure”Think about it
Well,I thought about it, so what?
Marty
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,sins you think you have solved the previous scriptures just how do the above ones do in your truth and non speculated view as you say
Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!you also can add the scriptures above ,and see if your interpretation will match all ,
Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2014,10:09) Marty Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,sins you think you have solved the previous scriptures just how do the above ones do in your truth and non speculated view as you say
Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!you also can add the scriptures above ,and see if your interpretation will match all ,
Hi Pierre:All of those scriptures are true.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 15 2014,06:13) Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2014,10:09) Marty Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,sins you think you have solved the previous scriptures just how do the above ones do in your truth and non speculated view as you say
Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!you also can add the scriptures above ,and see if your interpretation will match all ,
Hi Pierre:All of those scriptures are true.
Love in Christ,
Marty
mARTYso Christ was born or created in heaven and not on earth ,and so he came down as he said ,and return when he was done as scriptures says
happy to see you do believe in scriptures
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