Firstborn of/over all creation

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2014,08:31)

Hi Mike: You say: Quote You only need to think these things out.  I mean, Jesus CAME IN THE flesh.  No human being of usual origin is said to have COME IN THE flesh.  There is real MEANING in these words, but you ignore them.  How sad for you. No other person can claim that he was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman.  The Only Begotten Son, not born of the sperm of man, but yet, had human flesh just like, you and I, sinful flesh, and in our likeness he was tempted every way that we have been but did not sin even unto death on the cross. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

Christ was not conceived by the holy spirit ;no scriptures says that

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,19:36)

hi MB, If you knew the voice of the Spirit you could answer your own questions.

I do know the voice of the Spirit, Nick. He is the one that keeps telling me to make you PROVE the things you've been claiming.

Because he too knows that it was JESUS who said the words of John 6:38. He knows that JESUS was sent down from heaven to do the will of God.

So…….. are you ready to PROVE those claims? Or have you by now figured out that you can't – because they aren't true?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
No that is your doubts speaking.

If Jesus cannot convince you do you think we can?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,20:05)

Hi Mike: It means that Jesus who was conceived of the Holy Ghost, and not born of the sperm of man, was sent into the world after he was baptized and anointed with Holy Ghost and power to fulfill the Law.

Marty, I am well aware of John 17:18, that you guys like to use.  But surely you are smart enough to realize there can be DIFFERENT meanings of “sent into the world”.

For the disciples, it is OBVIOUSLY the meaning of sending them out into the surrounding countryside.

For Jesus, who had glory alongside God before he emptied himself and was made into a human being, “sent into the world” has a completely different meaning.

But what you're saying in the quote box above is:

God decided to send a flesh human being into the countryside surrounding Jerusalem, and for some reason, it was important for Paul to say that God sent him in the likeness of sinful flesh.  

As opposed to what OTHER likeness, Marty?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
So you are the one that can tell when SENT INTO THE WORD means one thing and not another.
Ignore the JUST AS in scripture.

I guess that is because agreeing with you is agreeing with scripture??

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,20:10)

You have to rely on what is POSSIBLE for God to do??

Rely on it? I don't understand your point.

Marty seemed to think God COULDN'T cause a spirit son to be born of a human woman. I merely helped him to see that all things are possible for God.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,20:24)

This scripture that you quote pertains to Jesus Christ. His earthly life started when he was born of the virgin Mary……….

Agreed. His earthly life started at that time.

This is also what the scriptures try to teach you, Marty. But you'll have none of it. Why?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
spirit son?
The Word that was with God and was God was not a spirit son.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,20:31)

Hi Mike: You say: Quote You only need to think these things out.  I mean, Jesus CAME IN THE flesh.  No human being of usual origin is said to have COME IN THE flesh.  There is real MEANING in these words, but you ignore them.  How sad for you. No other person can claim that he was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman.  The Only Begotten Son, not born of the sperm of man, but yet, had human flesh just like, you and I, sinful flesh………..

And did he have this flesh from the very moment he was born? YES.

So what does it mean that he CAME IN THE flesh?

See Marty? The fact Jesus CAME IN THE flesh shows that there was something going on BEFORE he CAME IN THE flesh.

No other human being COMES IN THE flesh. They are flesh from the first second, and therefore don't COME IN THE flesh.

The truth is all over these little odd phrases that are used of Jesus, and no one else. But you refuse to see that truth. Why?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,20:54)

If Jesus cannot convince you do you think we can?

Jesus convinces me that scripture cannot be broken.

And scripture says JESUS came down from heaven to do the will of God.

So Jesus would never try to convince me of untrue things. Of course, you won't be able to do it either.

[NickHassan]

hi MB,
Yes the Word was made flesh
The Word that was with God and was God.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,21:05)

Hi MB, So you are the one that can tell when SENT INTO THE WORD means one thing and not another.

Well, did Jesus send those disciples into the world in the likeness of sinful flesh?

Why isn't that part said about the disciples, Nick? Perhaps because it would be a ludicrous thing to say about someone who has never been anything OTHER THAN sinful flesh?

Think man, think.

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,13:25)

Marty Quote It means that Jesus who was conceived of the Holy Ghost Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. tell me what does it mean ;The Holy Spirit will come upon you and what does it mean ;the power of the Most High will overshadow you. you are so sure that it was the holy spirit ,what I disagree with , but let see what you say about God's power

Well, tell me what it is meant by “the power of the Highest”, and I will tell you if I agree with your understanding or it or not.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
“Well, did Jesus send those disciples into the world in the likeness of sinful flesh?”

You are mixing scriptures up
I suppose you can do that when agreeing with you is agreeing with scripture

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
1.John 10:36
do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

2.John 17:18
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,13:34)

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2014,08:31) Hi Mike: You say: Quote You only need to think these things out.  I mean, Jesus CAME IN THE flesh.  No human being of usual origin is said to have COME IN THE flesh.  There is real MEANING in these words, but you ignore them.  How sad for you. No other person can claim that he was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman.  The Only Begotten Son, not born of the sperm of man, but yet, had human flesh just like, you and I, sinful flesh, and in our likeness he was tempted every way that we have been but did not sin even unto death on the cross. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Christ was not conceived by the holy spirit ;no scriptures says that

Mat 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

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Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together,she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2014,09:23)

Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,13:25) Marty Quote It means that Jesus who was conceived of the Holy Ghost Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. tell me what does it mean ;The Holy Spirit will come upon you and what does it mean ;the power of the Most High will overshadow you. you are so sure that it was the holy spirit ,what I disagree with , but let see what you say about God's power Well, tell me what it is meant by “the power of the Highest”, and I will tell you if I agree with your understanding or it or not.

Marty

It does not say , the most high

But what make you believe that it is the holy spirit

Because we know that the holy spirit is called , the spirit of truth,

[942767]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2014,14:20)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,21:05) Hi MB, So you are the one that can tell when SENT INTO THE WORD means one thing and not another. Well, did Jesus send those disciples into the world in the likeness of sinful flesh? Why isn't that part said about the disciples, Nick?  Perhaps because it would be a ludicrous thing to say about someone who has never been anything OTHER THAN sinful flesh? Think man, think.

Really Mike, the disciples were born of the sperm of man,  he was not, although he had human flesh.  God was his Father, not an earthy man.

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2014,09:36)

Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,13:34) Quote (942767 @ June 03 2014,08:31) Hi Mike: You say: Quote You only need to think these things out.  I mean, Jesus CAME IN THE flesh.  No human being of usual origin is said to have COME IN THE flesh.  There is real MEANING in these words, but you ignore them.  How sad for you. No other person can claim that he was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman.  The Only Begotten Son, not born of the sperm of man, but yet, had human flesh just like, you and I, sinful flesh, and in our likeness he was tempted every way that we have been but did not sin even unto death on the cross. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Christ was not conceived by the holy spirit ;no scriptures says that Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together,she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Marty

But the holy spirit is the spirit of truth, and we all know that Jesus was announced by the prophet s , and that all the prophecy are given through the holy spirit, so yes the angel tells the truth for Jesus to conceived according to the prophecy of the holy spirit , but it would be the power of God that makes all things come to be,

[terraricca]

Marty

So the conception of Jesus is made possible through the power of God , not through the power of the holy spirit , the holy spirit is OF God

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