Firstborn of/over all creation

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2014,17:14)

Hi MB, The word was with God and was God.

“WAS God” and “was WITH God”?

So then “God” was WITH “God” in the beginning?  

Then what happened, according to John 1?  You seem to think verses 1 and 2 tell you that “God” was WITH “God”, right?  

What does verse 3 tell you?  That “God” created all things through “God”?

How about verse 14?  Does it tell you that “God” became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of “God's” only begotten Son, who came from the Father?  “God” came from “God”?    “God” SENT “God”?    

What about verse 15?  Does it tell you that John the Baptist testified about “God”, and said he was unworthy to untie the sandals of “God”?

Nick, if you seriously believe John 1:1 teaches that “God” was WITH “God”, then you have started John's gospel on a nonsensical premise – which only gets even more nonsensical the farther down the chapter you go.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2014,17:14)

No mention of any other sentient being-that is theology.

Nick, who was sent down from heaven, not to do his own will, but to do the will of the Father?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2014,17:14)

God creates through His Spirit.

That's better.  

I'm still waiting for you to address this scripture:

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came…………

Nick, what do you think is included in the “all things” that came from God?

1.  “All things”, like it says?

2.  Or only “new creations”?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Ps 104.30

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
All things

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Ps 104:30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
and you renew the face of the earth.

When God sends His Spirit they are created

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2014,17:16)

Hi MB, God's Spirit creates

Now you're back to saying it wrong again. I thought we had just fixed that.

God is the only one who created, Nick. I don't deny that God created THROUGH His Spirit – although I'm not aware of a scripture that says so.

I also don't deny that God created all things in heaven and on earth THROUGH His firstborn Son, Jesus Christ. And there are at least FOUR scriptures that teach that one.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Indeed.
The Spirit of Christ

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2014,17:10)

Hi MB, Ps 104:30 When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth. When God sends His Spirit they are created

Psalm 104:30 NET Bible
When you send your life-giving breath, they are created, and you replenish the surface of the ground.

I won't argue the translation of “Spirit”, since the Hebrew word could also mean that.

But WHO exactly is the one doing the actual CREATING, Nick? “God”? Or “God's Spirit”?

Before you answer, consider the DOZENS of scriptures that tell us “GOD” created all things. Compare those to the ? (I don't know of any) scripture that say “God's SPIRIT” created anything.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
God through His Spirit.
The Spirit is as the finger of God

.Luke 11:20
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

God is never divided from His Spirit
Jas2
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2014,17:17)

Hi MB, Do you think some “sentient being” other than God created all things?

Absolutely NOT, Nick!

I was about to say the same thing to you. Why do so many people try to attribute the creation to anyone, or anything, besides the GOD who actually did it?

Daniel and jammin say “JESUS” created all things.

Wakeup says a literal spoken word out of God's mouth went about creating all things.

You seem to think that God's SPIRIT created all things.

Why can't you people just give the credit to GOD – who is the one who created all things?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2014,17:19)

Hi MB, .Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding. Isaiah 43:15 I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. Who is the creator?

Who IS the Creator, Nick?

A. GOD?

B. God's SPIRIT?

C. God's WORD?

D. JESUS?

I say “A” – just like the scriptures say. What do YOU say?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ May 19 2014,09:38)

SO ANSWER MIKE'S QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF RUNNING AROUND LIKE A CHICKEN WITHOUT A HEAD

Most people here would rather keep preaching their own “gospel” instead of answering direct questions that would prove their “gospel” to be flawed.

[NickHassan]

Hi Mb,
How odd you would try to SEPARATE God from His Spirit.

That was the initial folly of the trinity false teaching.

Did you not know unity with Him and his Son in that Spirit is the plan?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2014,17:08)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2014,17:06) 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came………… Nick, what do you think is included in the “all things” that came from God? 1. “All things”, like it says? 2. Or only “new creations”? Hi MB, All things

Agreed.

1 Corinthians 8:6
……and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came………

Nick, what do you think is included in the “all things” that came through our Lord, Jesus Christ?

1. “All things”, like it says?

2. Or only “new creations”?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Acts 5
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Ps 139
Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
The Spirit of Christ in the Spirit of God.
The word was with God and was God.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2014,17:27)

Hi Mb, How odd you would try to SEPARATE God from His Spirit.

Roses are red, violets are blue. After we die, God creates us anew.

Nick, WHO just “created” that poem?

A. Mike Boll?

B. Mike Boll's SPIRIT?

C. Mike Boll's WORD?

D. Mike Boll's SON?

The correct answer is “A”.

Was my spirit involved? Most likely. But did my spirit do the actual creating of that poem? NO, I did.

Were my words involved? Of course I used words. But did my words do the actual creating of that poem? NO, I did.

I'm not trying to “separate” anything, Nick. But if scripture says GOD created, then YOU need to say GOD created.

If scripture said God's SPIRIT created, then I too would preach that God's SPIRIT created.

I do not separate God from His POSESSION, the Holy Spirit. But nor will I give credit to a POSSESSION of God for the things God HIMSELF did.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Is your theology much help in discerning spiritual things?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You are trying to understand God by looking at man?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
God IS in heaven.
HE does HIS work on earth by HIS Spirit

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