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Hi Anthony,
Yes the Jews had some knowledge of Hades. But the Teacher enlarged it.
But folks cannot accept the words of Jesus.
Ear ticklers abound.
Hi TC,
Joel 2.28
And it will come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and hand maids
in those days I will pour out My Spirit.
God does not give His Spirit instead of a human spirit to anyone.
But just as Jesus was anointed so will all flesh be.
Hi Nick
This is what you wrote and only what you wrote:
1. The meek shall inherit the earth.
But some go directly to heaven you say?
Heaven is the throne of God and not the inheritance of men.2. You add a lot of presumption to what you say about the throne of God.
We are already seated with the Lord in the heavenlies.Me:. What I wrote in response to what you wrote is written below. I have proven my point. You are the one with the assumptions an no cohesive argument but instead of a couple of your one liners. I have reproduced the comment you made and my response to it below. Tell me what below is assumptions.
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You wrote:
The meek shall inherit the earth.
But some go directly to heaven you say?
Heaven is the throne of God and not the inheritance of men.Me:
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
After Christ’s resurrection and ascension into heaven, all the saints from the beginning of the OT (John 5:25) until before Christ’s return go to heaven where Christ’s throne is, and where Christ’s throne is, there be God’s throne. This is in heaven (matt 6:9). So if we be with Christ, we be with God.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.Me: Some say this refers to when Christ returns the second time. “I go prepare a place for you” is in heaven. “ I will come again” refers to him coming at one’s physical death if before Christ’s second coming to earth.
Heb 13:5 … I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Me: “I will never leave you” refers to now and at the time of sleep (rest) in Christ.
Jude: 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Me: The Lord comes from heaven to earth with his saints who were in heaven with him.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Me: to rule the earth.
1 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Me: “those in the clouds” refer to the saints whose hearts and minds are coming down with new bodies now from heaven with Christ to be here to the earth.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be with them and be their God.
Hi Nick,
You:
1. Yes Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and Mary.
Do you think that means he was not a man with a human spirit?
Did he already have the Holy Spirit and this did not need to be anointed at the Jordan?
2. oel 2.28
And it will come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and hand maids
in those days I will pour out My Spirit.God does not give His Spirit instead of a human spirit to anyone.
But just as Jesus was anointed so will all flesh be.Me:
.Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Me: In the end, there is only one spirit and one body for both Christ and the church
Rev 5:12 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
1 Cor 12:3 (NASB) Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
Me: When one is worshiping the Messiah, he is in effect acknowledging him Lord.
Eccl 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath (7307:Spirit); so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/ecclesiastes/3-19.htm
Me: In the end, all have one spirit, not the old spirit in Eccl 3:19, but the holy spirit. Wind or breath is compared to the holy spirit in John 3:8.
Men have the same spirit or breath as the animal kingdom. Does that make the animals men? In the end, all have the holy spirit as their life force. Does that make them God? Our minds make us the individuals that we are. The spirit gives life and creativity from the mind of God. It is also the conduit by which communication is made.
Hi TC,
The end of the book of Revelation shows the kingdom of God in the new Jerusalem on earth.
You have offered nothing to prove men make their home in heaven at any time.
Do you have anything else to add?
Nick,
You: The end of the book of Revelation shows the kingdom of God in the new Jerusalem on earth.
You have offered nothing to prove men make their home in heaven at any time.Do you have anything else to add?
Me: Oh yes, I did prove it. I also proved that you did not understand anything beyond your one liners.
Hi Nick,
You: I think it is easier to follow a man just like us, tempted in every way we are, but obedient to the Law and because he was clean he was anointed from above at the Jordan with the Holy Spirit.
You offer a godman with no human spirit.
He was conceived of Mary and got half his heredity from sinful man.Me:
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.In the end, there is only one life force, the holy spirit (Eph 4:4).
Christ was born both of the seed of David (Romans 1:3) directly and the egg of Mary. Christ by passed the heredity process as his conception was made of the genes of both parents in a supernatural process. Christ said God could turn stones into children of Abraham. He did not need to go through heredity. If he had, Christ would have had death and thus sin in his flesh. He was the second Adam.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
Some people who profess the faith deny this. Why?
Hi Nick
You speak as Gehenna and Hades are interchangable words. There not . You said.
Yes the Jews had some
knowledgeof Hades. But the Teacher enlarged it.But folks cannot accept the words of Jesus.
Ear ticklers abound. We were talking about Gehenna when you said
Gehenna was created for the devil and his angels, not for man.
Gehenna = the word hell in the N.T. in not Hades the grave I don’t understand what you meant by ” the Jews had some knowledge” and the teacher in large it. Do you have scriptures for that. Did they decide to make these words interchangable send me scriptures and the meaning of these word I tried to send you the meanings but you over look them and give me your personal meaning. God bless
Hi Anthony,
You misunderstand.
Sheol is spoken of many times in the OT and so is the Pit. The Jewish people were familiar with these teachings.
Hades is the word used in the NT for the same place and Jesus described it in Lk 16.
It is thrown into the lake of Fire when it is emptied for judgement.
Gehenna, the lake of fire, the second death is different.
It is the one used for the dregs of creation.
Did you read the Berean site?
To all…God said, dust though are, and to dust you shall return. God does not lie, all who have sinned will turn back to dust from whence they came. No more to exist at all, no more life either, until the resurection from the dead takes place, all who preach otherwise are transgressing the very words of God the Father himself, and are decitfull liars.
When a man dies he no longer exists in any form period, untill the resurection.
There are many decievers, but trust what God the Father himself says, and Jesus never spoke against his words ever. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Nick….i can tell you the Father said the soul that sins “it” shall die, and he also to Adam “Dust though art (the complete you) ,(not part of you), “and “dust” shall you return.
Instead of asking what i think, i will ask you what do you think that means, seening God the Father said it? Was he lying to us as satan said? Or was he telling the truth? Simple question but you seem not to be able to answer it, because you false teaching deny his words, and other scriptures also.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
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