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  • #833166
    GeneBalthrop
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    Nick…Who said Jesus’ body corupted at anytime, your the one say he lost his body,not me, infact he still has that body he died in, and so will we. The only difference our resructed bodies will never die. Just as Jesus’ resurected body will never die. Your false ideas that Jesus’ body died again or was changed to something else like a spirit which is not a body of anykind is false, no scripture teaches that. Please show us the scripture that say Jesus’ body was scraped somewhere. Your supositions are from your own mind Nick, not in scripture.

    Nor are people still alive when they die either Nick. Your misunderstanding what scriptures are really saying on these issues Nick.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #833167
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Nonsense.

    Where did I say ‘Jesus lost his body’ or ‘died again’?

    You cannot seem to read or understand stuff I write at times.

     

    But you should understand eternal life in the Spirit, and that what is buried is not the same as that which is raised.

    #833168
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    ps 49.14

    As sheep they are appointed for Sheol; death shall be their shepherd;

    and the upright will rule over them in the morning, and their form

    shall be for Sheol to consume so that they have no habitation.

    But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol, for He will receive me.

    2 Cor 5

    For we know that if the earthly tent, which is our house, is torn down,

    we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling

    from heaven, inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked.

    For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened,

    because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed,

    so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.

    Now He Who prepared us for this very purpose is God,

    Who gave us the Spirit as a pledge.

     

    Do you have the Spirit as a pledge?

    If so you should know that this speaks of the new Body.

     

     

    #833169
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    You provide hugely complication doctrinal justifications for your odd view of the simple words of God.

    Unravel your carnal mind and believe.

    #833170
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    The carnal mind is not an entity. It is not an evil thing that has a combined effect on all humanity.

    But wait. There is a kingdom of darkness and all mankind is under the power of the evil one.

    Perhaps you have missed the obvious spiritual wood for all the silly intellectual trees.

    #833176
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick..Sheol, simply means grave, but you twist it to mean a place of the still living, who are being tormented and still alive, even though judgement hasen’t even taken place yet, in teaching that you are even denying there is a death, not to mention making Jesus’ death OUT TO BE A LIE, BY SAYING HE TRULY WAS NOT DEAD, AS HE SAID HE WAS. You change the old testement scriptures by say they did not know what they were saying about death.

    I believe JESUS, AND WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID, he said he was “Dead” and to me dead means the oppisite of alive. Do you actually believe a person who believed he wasen’t actually going to lose his life, but just go visit somewhere else for three days and come back, would have begged God to remove this cup from him three times, or does it sound to you like a man who thought he was not truly going to die cry out “my God, my God forsakest thou me”. Do you think that is not the voice of someone not ‘Actually’ DIEING.

    Even worse, you cheapen what death really is, because you really don’t believe people actually do die. Causing people to not realize what it is to actually die. So you even take away the very purpose GOD planned for people to experience when they die. God said the sinner dies, you say no they don’t, isn’t that what satan said, amazing you know more the God the father does.

    You remove the dread of death, God intended people to actually “taste” real death, so they will have a real apprication for life. But you try to subvert those lessons, by telling people they truly don’t die they just go to another place of activity, and continue living. You words counterdict scriptures, Jesus’ words, and even God the Fathers words. But they aline with satans words, “you shall not “SURELY” DIE. Those words were a lie then, and they are now also.

    Then you accuse us of being “carnel minded” as if you are spritual minded, even though you speak against what is written in our scriptures. Bad form Nick, repent.

    Peace and love to you and yours…….gene

    #833177
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    You say SHEOL MEANS GRAVE.

    A very shallow view of the 73 times the word appears in the OT.

    Can you expand on this claim please..

    #833178
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi TC,

    You make some good points.

    But you still take some liberties with 1 Peter 3 claiming Noah was just an example used and not specific.

    And you did not mention that it says that water baptism is more than symbolic and saves us.

    The words of Paul are definitely written to the washed as the start of his books show.

    All scripture is spiritual and is food to those who are truly spiritually alive.

    But we are told to seek first the kingdom and all else will be added.

    Knowledge is another spiritual grace as 2 Peter 1 shows.

    Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do as I say?

    To deny the need for water baptism opposes and does not fulfill the righteousness of God.

    #833179
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Yes Jesus removed the dread of death.

    But this is yet another of his teachings you do not buy.

    #833180
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Dead is the opposite of alive?

    Jesus said that Lazarus was asleep and then he spoke plainly and said he was dead.

    I hope you can learn from the Spirit how to reconcile these things.

    #833181
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    If you still live in fear of death then you have missed the reason for Jesus coming for you.

    Your mind is still under the control of the one who holds the power of death.

    Submit your mind to the Master and let his light shine there.

    #833183
    Truthcomber
    Participant

    Hi Nick:

     

    You wrote:

    You make some good points.
    But you still take some liberties with 1 Peter 3 claiming Noah was just an example used and not specific.

    And you did not mention that it says that water baptism is more than symbolic and saves us.
    The words of Paul are definitely written to the washed as the start of his books show.

    Me:

    1 Cor 15: 53
    For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory

    Comment: Why would one’s body be cleanest if it is going to corrupt .

     

    You: To deny the need for water baptism opposes and does not fulfill the righteousness of God

     

    Me: 

    Matt 23: 25  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26
    Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

    Comment: It is the cleansing of the inside that matters.  Water baptism is symbolic of the spiritual baptism that undergoes.  Baptism is a NT pneumonia.   Yet the OT saints are saved in their graves by the baptism of the spirit of God with Christ now in it (John 5:25)  We can die spiritually and are burry with Christ (baptism of the spirit) and resurrect spiritually only after Christ had done so first.  So Christ died spiritually when the holy spirit left him at Calvary.

    Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Comment: Our corruptible bodies are change to incorruptible ones by the blood of the lamb, not water baptism.  This is symbolic of receiving spirit bodies like Christ.

    1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    Comment: This is the last step of salvation.  First the spirit and mind, then the body

    Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls (soul: here being but without the body yet) of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

     

    #833184
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi TC,

    Why does the bodies of men need to be washed in the name of Jesus Christ?

    The most important reason is that God demands we submit to it.

    You must be reborn of water and the Spirit. Baptism is a plea for a clean conscience.

    The Spirit is Holy and the bodies of men can house this Holiness from above while they live on earth.

    Jesus did not need to be washed but did need to fulfill all righteousness and we need to obey the demands of God.

    #833185
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi TC,

    rom 6.3

    Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptised into Christ Jesus have been baptised into his death?

    Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, so thatas Christ was raised from the dead

    through the glory of the Father, so that we too might walk in newness of life.

    For as we HAVE become united with him in the likeness of his death, certainly we SHALL ALSO BE in the likeness

    of his resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him, in order that our body of sin might be

    done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves of sin; for he who has died has been freed from sin.

    Now if we have died with Christ, we believe we shall also live with him,…

     

    Water baptism in his name is being joined to him in his death and burial.

    The baptism in the Spirit gives us life for eternity, manifested in resurrection.

     

    #833186
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi TC,

    You say the Holy Spirit left Jesus at Calvary.

    It is sad that you do not yet grasp the activity of the Faithful Spirit of life.

    If the Spirit left him then he was not raised by that Spirit and your precious faith is all in vain.

     

     

    #833187
    Truthcomber
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    You wrote:

    Why does the bodies of men need to be washed in the name of Jesus Christ?
    The most important reason is that God demands we submit to it.

    Me: Our corruptible bodies do not need to be washed.  What needs to be washed is the inside, our minds and souls.  We submit to baptism, which is a ritual because God commands it, if we can.

    You: You must be reborn of water and the Spirit. Baptism is a plea for a clean conscience.

    Me: for the third time:

    John 7:37  In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet____ (given is an added word)  because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

    Comment: The promise of the holy spirit was not given until Pentecost,  that is when the mind of Christ was in it.  The apostles were baptized in John 2o:22 after he was resurrected from the dead but received the holy spirit with Christ in it at Pentecost.

    You: The Spirit is Holy and the bodies of men can house this Holiness from above while they live on earth.
    Jesus did not need to be washed but did need to fulfill all righteousness and we need to obey the demands of God.

    Matt 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

    Me: Our new bodies at the first resurrection is holy, not now.  It will be like Christ’s body in substance. Maybe the form is holy now, but not the substance.  Instead, our mortal bodies cause us to sin (Rom 7:24).

     

    #833188
    Truthcomber
    Participant

    Need to run now.

    #833189
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi TC,

    Jn 5.25

    ‘Truly, truly I say to you. An hour is coming and now is,when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God,

    and THOSE who hear will live. ‘

    This refers to those who are ALIVE in the Spirit of Christ, only the anointed ones in the first resurrection.

     

    Jn 5.28

    ‘Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming in which ALL WHO ARE IN THE TOMBS will hear his voice,

    and ALL will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who did evil deeds

    to a resurrection of judgement’

    This refers to 1000 years after the above when ALL THE REST are raised to face the SHEEP AND GOAT JUDGEMENT.

    #833190
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi TC,

    The baptism of the Spirit is not of cleansing but of sanctification.

    Where were men who responded to the Word NOT baptised in water in Acts?

    We need the three witnesses to our faith shown in 1jn 5.

    #833191
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi TC,

    Jn 20.21

    So Jesus said to them again,

    ’Peace be with you; as the Father has sent me, I also send you’

    And when he had said this he breathed on them and said to them,

    ’Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them,

    if you retain the sins of any they have been retained’

     

    So Jesus moved in authority and shared some of that authority and that anointing with them.

     

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