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Hi Jodi,
Death certainly is the closing of a door of opportunity.
No longer a chance to find salvation and eternal life in Jesus Christ.
What you have done is recorded in the spirit God lends to all men and knows them by.
Prov 20.27
The spirit of a man is the lamp of the Lord,
searching all the innermost parts of his being.
Best to have passed over from death to life.
Jn 5.24
Truly, truly, I say to you, He who hears my word, and believes Him Who sent me HAS ETERNAL LIFE,
and does not come into judgement, but has passed out and f death into life.
Rom 8.1
Therfore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
For the Law of the SPIRIT OF LIFE, in Christ Jesus has set you free from the Law of sin and death.
Today if you hear his voice harden not your heart.
Hi Jodi,
I deny NONE of the passages that you offer.
You do not grasp the spiritual meanings of them and get confused.
Man is a SOUL enlivened by a SPIRIT living in a BODY.
Yes exactly we are to sift through all of scripture Nick which clearly you are not doing. You deny countless scriptures even the definition of the soul, and instead you take a parable as being literally true. The NT quotes the OT. The NT fulfills the OT.
NO Nick you are WRONG, Daniel speaks of sleeping to also those raised to judgment,
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The entire reason WHY death is referred to as sleep is because of the resurrections, otherwise it would be simply referred to as just death.
Also as the scriptures I gave you it says that ALL have the SAME FATE, NO ONE has a death that is different from animals, to think otherwise is vanity, it is empty doctrine.
Hi Jodi,
You cannot call one parable FICTION without bringing all of scripture into disrepute.
Show us where God has used FICTION elsewhere in scripture.
If you cannot then ponder it and align it
Nick death is death whether it be the first death or the second death, the difference of the second death is that it is the LAST death there is not a 3rd or 4th resurrection!
You choose to interpret first death and the second death as representing two different realities, you do not have scriptural support for this other than a parable, and you deny that both deaths are described in many scriptures as a person’s life or soul being destroyed.
Yes Nick you are trying to reason that a parable is literal even when you have hundreds of scriptures that show that it could not possibly be literal.
Hi Jodi,
Dan 12.2
Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, THESE to everlasting life,
but THE OTHERS to disgrace and .everlasting contempt.
You assume the SLEEP refers to both groups?
Hi Jodi,
None of the scriptures you show CONTRADICT the teaching of the Spirit through Jesus Christ in Lk 16.
Based on your ideology YOU DO.
Just because you cannot see it so clearly in the OT.
‘Lord to whom else should we go? You have the words of eternal life.’
’Heal my unbelief’
Hi Jodi,
The two deaths are not the same.
Jesus came to free men held captive by the fear of the first death.
But he did warn men to fear Him Who is able to destroy both body and soul in the second death.
Hi Jodi,
The lake of fire is the second death as revelation 20.14 tells us twice.
This is the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels that Jesus spoke of in Mt 25.41.
The fire that is not quenched. Is 66.24
Actually Nick in my longer post I just gave you, you are the one denying the teachings of Jesus!! I accept his word and I accept the teaching he gave in a parable, that teaching was NOT about what happens to you when you die.
You are still denying that David said God would redeem his soul, his LIFE, from sheol upon the resurrection. You conveniently disregard the definition of soul and then you force the passage to fit your belief.
The entire passage of 2 Peter 2 is speaking about men. Likewise verse 4 the messengers are also men, they were prophets who left God’s abode and were cast down for speaking lies. NOTICE that they are RESERVED for judgment and we know this is spoken elsewhere in scripture, they are not receiving judgment now. You think the passage is talking about literal chains Nick?? Chains represent being in bondage by something. Those messengers are raised in the second resurrection, rising in FEAR of the second death.
4 For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved,
Just like Sodom and Gomorrah burned and the people’s souls/lifes were reduced to ASHES, so too did these messengers in verse 4. You would like to define Tartarus according to Greek mythology Nick? Or shall we liken it to the city garbage dump Genna of Jerusalem where garbage and animal carcasses were CONSUMED and reduced to ASHES.
Hebrews 2:15 and might deliver those, whoever, with fear of death, throughout all their life, were subjects of bondage
Yes men of Hebrews 2 are reserved for the DAY of judgement, their souls were consumed with fire, and they are reserved in bondage not yet free in Jesus Christ.
Okay Nick, why don’t you take all of the passages I gave you and show me how it is that those are not to be taken literally, but it is the parable that we do. Enlighten us with YOUR special spiritual interpretation of all of those passages.
Why you are at it explain away how the soul does not also mean a person’s life.
Please distinguish the soul from the spirit giving us the definition to each.
Soul is the same as your life, God takes the breath of your life away, He takes the BREATH out of your SOUL and it DIES.
2 `And the multitude of those sleeping in the dust of the ground do awake, some to life age-during, and some to reproaches — to abhorrence age-during.
Some of those sleeping in the dust wake to eternal life, Some of those sleeping in the dust wake to a judgement. That is pretty clear Nick, you deny it.
Hi Jodi,
‘ The old wine is better they say’
Certainly many prefer the OT as it has been studied and analysed for centuries.
Herod knew the messiah was a man who would need to be born so sought expert advice on the matter.
But Jesus Christ was given the Spirit without measure while the prophets were somewhat in the dark as 1 Peter1.11 shows.
It is unwise to call the teachings of the Spirit FICTION just because you cannot align them in Lk 16.
“All who came before me are thieves and robbers. “ He is the good shepherd.
Hi Jodi,
David is alive to God.
He went to sleep in death housing the Spirit of Life.
He will be in the first resurrection with all the other anointed ones of God
Hi Jodi,
Those in Jesus died and are yet alive in the Spirit.
..for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable”
Rom 11.29
The Spirit is a GIFT OF GOD and is not taken away from those who walk in it.
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