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Hi Anthony,
Why can you not think for yourself?
These theologians will not be with you when you meet the Lord.
Then it will be his words that matter so it would be better if you could start to hear his voice now.
Hi Anthony,
’The gods have become like men and come down to us’
Acts 14.11
This is the response of unspiritual men to the Holy Spirit doing a miracle through Paul.
And the unspiritual have always been unable to understand the works of God being done through men.
Your idea that the Son of God is a man, but one who preexisted as a god, fits very well with this type of utter ignorance.
Hi Nick
I guess you haven’t been reading my posts. I believe that there are two beings and The Holy is the Spirit of Christ that comes from the father through the Son. the Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son the Father is eternal and the Son had A beginning before creation,the scriptures say that the Spirit of truth and the comforter and the Holy Spirit that came on the day of Pentecost Is the Spirit of Christ. And Ibelu e them.. He got this by inheritance The Spirit is not a being or a person. The only begotten Son. He received this by inheritance God is His Father for real because He is the only begotten Son before creation. Jesus Christ laid that aside took on humanity through Mary and the Father God. And died on the cross for the sin of the world. Nick, just two beings not three. I belive in pre-existing, of the only begotten Son. And that He’s Divine. Without sin he wasn’t born in Sin as the human man. He different then we are Nick.the only one. No one else is like Him. The Only begotten Son. God bless. Nick I know you don’t see that but I do. God bless Nick
Hi Anthony,
God is Spirit.
The Spirit is like the wind.
Let God describe Himself and do not add to His words.
Hi Anthony,
Man, I can’t believe you are posting all that from your phone, that seems like a lot of work. Glad you are still with us discussing Jesus.
In my last post speaking about logos, I hope that you read the verses I gave from Acts.
Acts is VERY rich in speaking about the logos given to David by the LORD in regards to Jesus.
I don’t know how someone can read this chapter of Acts and not comprehend the clear word that Jesus would be raised according to the flesh, that his flesh was not allowed to be corrupted but changed to immortality. How anyone could deny the clear word that the FRUIT of David’s loins sits at the right hand of God. The logos that was NEVER given to David is that his son pre-existed as a god.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered,Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Psalms 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE.
Psalms 89:24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will MAKE him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.2 Samuel 7: 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
Anthony if what you believe in regards to Jesus were actually true COUNTLESS scriptures would be written DIFFERENT ENTIRELY. All the scriptures you try to use as proof, which is from the NT, from what I have read from you, you have completely misinterpreted.
only begotten, logos, firstborn, Alpha Omega, I AM THAT I AM, you have taken out of context not even comprehending the messages given in the chapters you take them out from, setting them apart, creating a new meaning from the actual truth therein.
I might have missed it, did you ever reply to my post speaking of Colossians and who the “he” or “him” is being spoken of? As I said if you read the chapter you will see that the “he” or “him” is either referencing the mortal Jesus or the raised from the dead Jesus, not ever a pre-existing Jesus.
Jesus was raised as a human being given eternal life, that is what is clearly written, he was not raised going back to what he was.
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Jesus KNEW of his glory that God had established before the world was, just as David and Abraham saw it, Jesus saw it too, and Jesus knew it was WITH God and WAS God since the beginning. God had eternal life in Jesus before the world was.
Anthony you think the passage where God says that He had promised eternal life before He made the world, was not founded on Jesus the seed of David whose flesh would not see corruption, who would be raised according to the flesh?
JESUS was certainly WITH GOD in the beginning just AS ETERNAL LIFE was WITH GOD in the beginning, it was His whole purpose of creation. These were WITH Him according to His purpose and His plans, revealed by His logos to the prophets, to Abraham, to Moses, to David, and Jesus. Jesus upon his last breaths was asking for God to fulfill His words, he was stating his FAITH in God’s words that were WITH Him from the beginning, the GLORY of him becoming an immortal MAN.
WE KNOW that this is the only correct interpretation because Jesus was something that had to be MADE, he had to be PERFECTED and that perfection OCCURRED on EARTH through his suffering. We know because the LORD said the firstborn is something that would be MADE on earth from David’s seed. Jesus was ONLY raised from the dead receiving glory because of that perfection in a MAN, he was only raised to receive glory because he was in fact the seed of David. Therefore Jesus could not be receiving a glory he had before that literally pre-existed, as that glory had to come through God’s work unto a MAN on EARTH. This MAN and the Eternal Life through this MAN was WITH GOD from the beginning. Nothing would have been made if it were not for this plan.
Before Jesus even had self awareness as a young child, God KNEW everything about him, the hairs on his head, the thoughts he would have, the words he would speak, the deeds he would do. God KNEW him before the world was, before he even existed He KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT him. When God made it known unto Jesus His plans for Jesus, Jesus SAW the glory that He had that was with God before the world was. Upon his lasts breaths He was asking through his faith to receive that glory.
Anthony,
You said, “Hi Jodi isn’t ‘that what the scripture said.
John 1:1 says, “(a) In the beginning was the Word, (b) and the Word was with [the] God, (c) and the Word was God.”
That this Divine Word is none other than Jesus Christ is shown by verse 14, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” God bless”
You believe that means Jesus pre-existed as a being speaking God’s word before he became flesh, correct?
What the scriptures tell you in the OT and what the NT tells us from Jesus quoting those scriptures, is that God’s word of a coming Messiah became flesh, they became fulfilled in the man Jesus. It’s pretty simple and biblically factual the WORDS of God were to bring an eternal king of the seed of David, those words became flesh.
These two understandings of the word are entirely different!
Hi Ed j you said You are required to provide a link to material you cut and paste. Ilook at the terms and conditions. I didn’t find it. Where do I go find out this kind of info
God bless. Anthony
Hi Anthony,
Most Forum’s do have that as a rule.
It is easy to do. Cut and paste
the link, like this…Yes Anthony it is hard as you don’t read or respond appropriately to what I post either, lol!!
Let’s WORK from here, from this topic alone for now, “only begotten Son”.
The problem Anthony is that OT says that God would BECOME a father to the seed of David, and the seed of Solomon. But you speak against this and say that God would send his already existing son to be the son of David and the son of Solomon.
Do you SEE the difference Anthony!! Do you see how you have corrupted the WORD of GOD?
We are told specifically how a MAN becomes BORN of God. First you have to believe in the WORD that God told David and Solomon that their son God would MAKE into His Son.
From there you can easily see when it was that this SON of David and Solomon was MADE into God’s Son.
We are also told in the OT that God would not give His glory to another MAN, we are told in the NT that God gave his Spirit to Jesus without measure. We are told that receiving God’s Spirit is to be BORN of God. We know that Jesus was the ONLY MORTAL man who did not sin. Scripture also tells us that those who are righteous are the SONS of God. Jesus lived a perfect life of righteousness, he was the ONLY ONE to do so.
Jesus quotes OT that he was ANOINTED by the SPIRIT and SENT OUT into the world to PREACH God’s word, to set MEN FREE. ONCE AGAIN to be anointed by God’s Spirit we are told is to be BORN of GOD. NO OTHER HUMAN WAS ANOINTED with GOD’S SPIRIT without measure!!!!! He was FULLY BORN of GOD, having been filled with God’s righteousness.
So when you BELIEVE the WORD of God given to David and to Solomon and you read the scriptures and believe Jesus’s words, you see plain as day, that the “only begotten Son” who God sent to pay for our sins, is the MAN that was BORN of God at the river and then was sent out into the world.
Hi Anthony,
The PREEXISTENCE dogma is the fallback position for those who cannot hear the voice of the Spirit in the mouth of Jesus.
Hi Anthony,
The PREEXISTENCE dogma denies
That Jesus was conceived-gods are not conceived of women.
That Mary was his mother-gods do not need fleshly human mothers.
That Jesus was anointed at the Jordan-gods do not need any sort of anointing.
Are you happy with all these subtractions from scripture?
Hi Jodi yes I know i spend more time in the new teastment then I do old. I’ll look in to things and start reading and study the old teastment.
God bless Anthony
Yes Nick I hear you, I believed this way for awhile. I’ll look in to things. Start spending gore time Iin the old teastment. I’ll look in to David and Solomon. God bless
Edj I be back and give you the link k takes a little while I have to close out to get to it. God bless.
Hi Edj here that link
John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
John 1:1c
…the Word was God (the Son, the only begotten God).
John 1:14a
And the Word became flesh…
1 Timothy 3:16
…God (the Son, the only begotten God) was manifest in the flesh…received up into glory.
Acts 20:28c
…to shepherd the church of God which He (the Son, the only begotten God) purchased with His own blood.
Ephesians 1:7
In Him (the Son, the only begotten God) we have redemption through His blood (the Son, the only begotten God’s blood), the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace…
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church (the Son, the only begotten God’s church), and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.Titus 2:14
He (the Son, the only begotten God) gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.“The Son, the only begotten God” added for clarity.
God bless, LU
Hi Edj here that link
Thank you Anthony,
It’s just that it is a well known practice to give source links
(the page link of the copied material embedded into the post)____________
God bless
Ed JHi Anthony,
The simple reason is: so that those interested can expand into what you are giving them.
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God bless
Ed JHi Anthony,
The TrinityTruth site is based on the Seventh day Adventist church, though it says that the Seventh Dayers under Ellen White joined with the rest of Christendom and introduced trinity worship, to which they are opposed. They offer that we are all under the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath day, which is delusional as they we given to the Jews and not the gentiles as Rom 3.19 makes plain. They are a religious human group, no doubt sincere, but whose leader is not the Lord.
Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you.
Hi Anthony,
People can be helpful when you are searching for the right path. Most leads are just dead ends.
False teachers are also ardent in their search for gullible disciples to lead astray.
And eventually you have to let go of their hands and walk in the Spirit.
Test all things and hold fast to what is good.
Hi Nick ya I know how they belive. I believe in the part about the Father ,Son and the Holy Spirit. I do t belive in the other thing they. believe in.i use to believe in Trinity. When I started seeing that the Holy Spirit wasn’ a person. I started searching and ran into the Adventists . Yes need now they believe in the trinity.the early Adventists I think till around 1890 they believe how I was telling you. the Father was God eternally and the only begotten Son had a beginnig. the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of the Spirit and the Father and Son. Ellen White and her husband James White.
God bless Nick.
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