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Hi mk,
People seem to think God's revelation of Himself in the nature of Jesus is all He can be.
Somehow their view of Him is diminished from the bible view.
He can be merciful.But the apostate Jews perception of him could very easily change and the scribes and prophets could very easily be writing things in Gods name that he did not say
Which may be why we are told
Jer 7:20Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.
Jer 7:21Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
Jer 7:22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:Jer 7:30For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
Jer 8:8How do ye say, We [are] wise, and the law of the LORD [is] with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he [it]; the pen of the scribes [is] in vain.
Jer 8:9The wise [men] are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom [is] in them?
Jer 8:10Therefore will I give their wives unto others, [and] their fields to them that shall inherit [them]: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.We are told in one part of the bible (OT) Jewish scriptures that God desires sacrifices and burnt offerings, and in another part of the scriptures that God did not command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices – Did God change or did the Jews do something that the heathens were doing saying “God said, Moses said” when God did not say ………
I've pondered the idea that God doesn't change. I've decided there is enough scripture evidence to show that he at least changes his MIND.
Hi mk,
Interesting challenges aren't they?
Take a few years to sort them out.
But do not lose faith in the book.Meerkat,
Yes, take a few years (I took nearly 5).
But my encouragement will sound a bit different than Nick's: Do not lose faith in God (it's okay if you lose faith in books, imo).Hi mk,
The jews knew scripture was sacred and unquestionably true.
The fact that verses about corruption were in there did not cause them to throw it all out.
they had a larger view and we can learn from their approach and trust God and the sacred scripturesHi MK:
He says:
Quote Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels [and] in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.What He is saying here is that Obedience is better than sacrifice. He did not command them about sacrifice when He brought them out of Egypt. The Law was added because of transgression, and it was because of transgression of the Law that He did command them later about sacrifice. He would prefer their obedience over these sacrifices, especially the sacrifices that they were offering up to Him. They were an abomination to Him.
Hi,
Rom3
9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17And the way of peace have they not known:
18There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Nick…….God dealt with the carnal mind through the medium of Fear, is that what you preach and teach. Are you under the old covenant , you seem to always quote old Covenant scriptures seeking out the word, FEAR. Are you trying to justify you position even though New testament scriptures teach against using fear as a means of obedience. But even the word for fear you use here is not translated properly it should be reverence or respect. Fear is the medium (LAW) works through, So you operating under that influence are under a curse, as it say whosoever is under the (LAW) (forced compliance) (through the medium of FEAR), (IS UNDER A CURSE).
peace to you……………….gene
Nick……which are taken out of context obviously or we would have a contradiction of Scriptures. I trust the many scripture that use the word Fear should be properly translated respect or reverence. As i have told you before the Word fear in scripture with regard to God is reverence and respect, but you choose to ignore all the Scriptures the show FEAR has not part of the true Christian life, But Love is which (CASTS OUT FEAR) which you don't seem to understand along with many other scriptures like < For we have (NOT) received the Spirit of FEAR but of POWER and a SOUND MIND. the are more as you Know because i have quoted them before also. You teaching of FEAR is against the Spirit of GOD, as scripture shows.
peace……………..gene
GB,
No the NT is in Unity with the OT on this matter as one quotes the other.
The lack in understanding is in us.Nick………..obviously you don't understand the difference between them do you, or you wouldn't have wrote what you just wrote. They are (NOT) the Same , neither do you put new wine on OLD SKINS.LEAST THE BURST THE SKINS AND WAST ALL THE WINE, that whats happening to you trying to put the old testament into the new, One is a covenant established through the medium of FEAR the other is ONE of LOVE there not the same. There totally different. BUT YOU BRETHREN HAVE NOT COME UNTO THAT MOUNTAIN TO FEAR AS THEY DID. At least we haven't, but YOU HAVE Went back the that mountain to fear, then as long as you chose to serve in FEAR as they did MAKE sure you do it all, or the wrath of God will be on you seeing you push it on others.
peace ……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 16 2008,17:48) Nick………..obviously you don't understand the difference between them do you, or you wouldn't have wrote what you just wrote. They are (NOT) the Same , neither do you put new wine on OLD SKINS.LEAST THE BURST THE SKINS AND WAST ALL THE WINE, that whats happening to you trying to put the old testament into the new, One is a covenant established through the medium of FEAR the other is ONE of LOVE there not the same. There totally different. BUT YOU BRETHREN HAVE NOT COME UNTO THAT MOUNTAIN TO FEAR AS THEY DID. At least we haven't, but YOU HAVE Went back the that mountain to fear, then as long as you chose to serve in FEAR as they did MAKE sure you do it all, or the wrath of God will be on you seeing you push it on others. peace ……………………gene
That's a good word right there, bro!Gb,
Read again from Romans quoting the oT.10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17And the way of peace have they not known:
18There is no fear of God before their eyes.
There is another type of “fear” that the bible mentions people having toward GOD….but the “FEAR” that saves and is most helpful to us is the “reverential” kind…
The other “fear” has to do with folks that will suffer adverse judgement from GOD
Quote (dirtyknections @ Dec. 17 2008,02:45) There is another type of “fear” that the bible mentions people having toward GOD….but the “FEAR” that saves and is most helpful to us is the “reverential” kind… The other “fear” has to do with folks that will suffer adverse judgement from GOD
DK………Amen to that brother.love to you……………gene
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