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Nick…..And you should not disagree with what Scripture SAYS WE HAVE RECIEVED> YOU have received of FEAR to have at it , I have not received that SPIRIT, I RECEIVED Not A SPIRIT OF FEAR, but of POWER and of a SOUND MIND. I am satisfied with that so you be satisfied with you spirit of fear OK> This subject is over as far as i am concerned.
peace ………….gene
GB,
Was Scripture incorrect then when Isaiah wrote about the anointing of your Master in FEAR OF THE LORD?Nick….actually it (REVERENCE) not FEAR, Jesus loves the FATHER and WAS NOT AFRAID OF HIM> LOVE CAST OUT FEAR> Your trying to cast in fear, i wonder what spirit that is from? “the fearful and unbelieving will be cast into the lake of fire”. YOu need to think about what you are doing Nick. IMO
Nick….No, I LOVE GOD and the Love of GOD shed around in my heart casts out fear. What is in you heart that causes you to continue to Fear and Trimble. You are not being perfected, because it says (Nothing is Perfected in FEAR.) So you stick with your fear religion, I stick with the Love of GOD, OK>
Nick…….if they have to be kept through the operation of fear, then they are yet CARNAL. Look i am not saying that we should not respect and revere GOD, I have never even implied that. Fear has no place in the family of GOD and trying to use what is said to CARNAL MINDS has no place in the Spiritual MINDED> ” For you have not received a Spirit of FEAR, but of Power and a (SOUND) MIND.” We are told to go on to perfection, and what does it say ” NOTHING IS PERFECTED IN FEAR” , and again You brethren have (NOT) come unto that mountain to FEAR as they, (carnal minded Israelites did). I know you think Fear can help Keep you walking right, and while fear can control the CARNAL mind, It can never change the heart of a man. WE are of the Spiritual Family moved by the LOVE of GOD Shed around in our Hearts and what does it say about that , “LOVE CAST (OUT) FEAR.
Love and peace to you brother……………….gene
GB,
Your master was blessed with this grace.
Isaiah 11:2
And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;Nick…..If you will take time to check out the word used there you will find it should be rendered (reverence or respect) Never did Jesus fear the Father , because He loves Him not feared Him. The word Isaiah used is another mistranslated use, thats obvious or we would have a contradiction of scriptures wouldn't we , I have listed many scriptures that show the proper balance, and fear and trembling is not what leads me to pray and seek the Father at all, maybe you but not me. His love and mercy in my life caused me to seek Him not fear. “for the goodness of God leads us to repentance”, do you see the word fear there., in your mind it fear that leads to repentance , but scripture shows that never works.
peace…………………gene
GB,
We know that but why do you oppose it?
You have made many accusations based on this but to what end?Once we have been saved we still work out our salvation in fear and trembling as Paul told those in Phillipi.
Nick…….if indeed you as YOU SAY, KNOW THAT, then why continiue to preach and teach Fear, to the disregard of so many scriptures that are contrary to the false teaching brother.
love to you and your…………………….gene
Nick…….do you really understand what i said about the word FEAR and its real meaning in scripture?
And i do respect the word , but do you is the question here.peace…………….gene
Nick……….I see no conflict between Newton and Jesus, as i said before, but i do see a lack of your understanding what Jesus really meant by the things He said epically in regard to the subject of the devil and Satan. But you entitles to your opinions as well as Newton, and others Here. Your seem to be quite obsessed with Newton though, why is that Nick?
love and peace to you and yours………………………gene
Nick………So are we to be stuck in the beginning all our lives, and by the way,that was quoted from the (OLD TESTAMENT) where God was dealing with CARNAL MINDS, and indeed FEAR is FOR the CARNAL MINDED. But you are supposed to be Spiritual minded right. Let go of those carnal way and grasp the spirit ways brother. Where you don't have to go around with all kinds of FEAR and TREMBLING , but Faith in GOd working in LOVE , casting out those fearful thoughts in you brother.(NOTHING IS PERFECTED IN FEAR) were are supposed to go on to perfection, not to be stuck in FEAR and unbelief. “for we have not received the spirit (intellect) of FEAR, but of POWER AND OF A SOUND MIND”. I am beginning to think you preach fear so much because you are worried that you will fail without it, but if God is with you brother you will not fail, but it takes FAITH to Believe that Brother.
love and peace to you Nick…My hope is that you can someday shed you fears brother…………………………gene
love and peace to you brother…………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 15 2008,16:50) GB,
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.I believe Gene is correct! Fear has to do with punishment, and we are saved by grace.
If indeed no one can pluck us out of His hand…….
Hi Not3,
1Cor 10
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
We must walk with care.
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