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Revelation 1:5-6 And from Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto Yahuweh and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Who's Father?
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Who received? And who was it received from?
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Who's Father? Who do the angels belong to?
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Two thrones? Who does he sit with?
Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Who's name?
Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by Yahuweh the Father, and preserved in Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach, [and] called:
Set apart by whom?
2 John 1:3-4 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from Yahuweh the Father, and from the Lord Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
Who does the peace come from? Who is Lord Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach son of? Who does the commandment come from?
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach, [/B]hath not Yahuweh[/B]. He that abideth in the doctrine of Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If they are both the same god why would they need both?
So whom ever does not have the teachings of the son Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach has no relationship with the Father?
Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Matthew 6:18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
Matthew 6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Matthew 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Yashuw'ah answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Matthew 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Matthew 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Matthew 16:17 And Yashuw'ah answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Yashuw'ah saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of Yahuweh before you.
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Hi,
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father.[Mt10.20]
Yet rebellious and ill informed men want to make another person from God's own SpiritQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2010,08:40) Hi,
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father.[Mt10.20]
Yet rebellious and ill informed men want to make another person from God's own Spirit
Hi Nick,That's correct! (John 4:23-24)
When are the others going to wake up? (Eph.5:14)God bless
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Constitutionalist @ Jan. 04 2010,12:38) 2 John 1:3-4 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from Yahuweh the Father, and from the Lord Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father. Who does the peace come from? Who is Lord Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach son of? Who does the commandment come from?
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach, [/B]hath not Yahuweh[/B]. He that abideth in the doctrine of Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If they are both the same god why would they need both?
So whom ever does not have the teachings of the son Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach has no relationship with the Father?
Hello Ron,Grace = Jesus, Yahshua; son of God (Father)
Mercy = Father, YHVH, God
Peace = Holy SpiritUnfortunately, in Greek we can't distinguish from Elohim and YHVH (El) because they are BOTH translated “God” but have different identities in the Hebrew.
Looking at God mathematically is easier:
Elohim = {YHVH, Holy Spirit} = God, Most High
YHVH = {El (God), El + Adjective, Father, LORD}
Holy Spirit = {Spirit of YHVH, Fear of YHVH, Wisdom, Counsel, Power, Understanding, Knowledge}Or in English:
Elohim consists of two essences (YHVH & Holy Spirit) and comprises the “entity” called Elohim (God Most High).
YHVH is identified with the titles “El” (God) or El + adjective ie. God or God Almighty. YHVH is translated LORD and is known as “God, the Father.”
It seems the entity of each has a different “identity” and purpose/mission.
David
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2010,16:40) Hi,
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father.[Mt10.20]
Yet rebellious and ill informed men want to make another person from God's own Spirit
Hi Nick,Ill informed or illuminated?
Here is a math equation depicting the Godhead.
Elohim = {YHVH (masc), Holy Spirit (fem)} = God, Most High
YHVH = {El (God), El + Adjective, Father, LORD} (male)
Holy Spirit = {Spirit of YHVH, Fear of YHVH, Wisdom, Counsel, Power, Understanding, Knowledge} (female)}
Notice that the Spirit of YHVH is not His but is of the Holy Spirit's essences. Is 11:2
And yes, the Holy Spirit is a separate “person” apart from YHVH.
Goes back to the boring thread of the meaning of Elohim.
If you understand the meaning you won't be ill-informed. If you neglect knowledge…..
Proof of text for God consisting of two essences (male and female) is Gen 1:26-27. In GOD'S own words. He said so.
David
PS and Elohim WAS talking to Himself…..
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2010,16:40) Hi,
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father.[Mt10.20]
Yet rebellious and ill informed men want to make another person from God's own Spirit
Hi Nick,Don't know if you know it but,,,,your words are exactly what I described in my earlier post.
“The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father.”
Maybe you can see some truth in this verse.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
Who knows YHVH's thoughts? The Spirit of YHVH. Who is the Spirit of YHVH? The Holy Spirit.
Thus showing that YHVH's spirit is not his own but that of the Holy Spirit…and is separate from him.
Notice the comparison of man (body) vs man (spirit) and God (body) and God (spirit)?
David
Hi Nick,
That is great and that is what I keep saying….there is ONE GOD.
Which “speculations” are futile?
I was about to write Just Askin about the same theme so I'll respond here first.
No one yet has been able to disprove anything I have written or show where it is wrong. So, if something is wrong, why not point them out?
The best shot you give me is trying to attack me,and not my ideas, which must mean that I am on target and correct.
It is funny that the “pillars” here don't or can't dispute my logic or rationale.
Nor do they want to listen or open their eyes.
Itchy ears I guess.
It's okay to talk about “Asceticism, Inference, Omnipresence, Determinism, Calvinism, Intellect, Is Moralism wrong?, Eusebius of Caesarea, etc” but to talk about the specifics of God whom we worship it is futile ACCORDING TO NICK.
Or maybe it is best I create my own numbering system and talk about it…or, How about a seven-fold God?
You wouldn't address my scriptures so I try to present it another way mathematically and I get the same result…dismissing ME and not the ideas.
If you or any of the other moderators would be kind enough to actually see the complete presentation (before dismissing it) and then comment specifically on the short comings that would be appreciated. I have a short 4 page Word document that is a “Summary” of my definition of God without Hebrew and minimal Scripture that takes about 5 minutes to peruse.
Who knows, maybe what I am saying is true and can be tested in the overall picture of the Scriptures. Depends on what bias you want to see with.
People don't want to hear Gen 1:26-27 where God (Elohim) says that He is male and female, why? It is not a quote from the Bible but it is God Himself doing the talking.
Nor do they want to see that these essences comprise the one God. They refuse to admit that the Holy Spirit is a feminine noun.
You give lip service to “intellect” but when an idea contrary to yours is presented you automatically dismiss it, why?
People don't want to see the two essences of God, why? What are they afraid of?I was a staunch supporter of the Trinity for about 35 years, until I started learning Hebrew and found out the errors. I learned from teachers instead of going to the source because I didn't know Greek or Hebrew to dispute what they claimed as facts.
Your response to me has to be referring to “El” as your God is one. And mine is referring to Elohim.
We say the same thing but mean two different things. (And then the people say they could care less.) Apathy? Apostasy?
I thought the “forum” was a place to give and exchange thoughts and opinions. Apparently I was wrong.
I apologize that I am new and haven't read every thread that has been posted and every response to every thread. My responses are a first for me and I am unaware of the 46,000 responses beforehand….and would appreciate a “civilized” reply….and not a dismissal.
David
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