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Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,19:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2012,13:17) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 26 2012,02:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2012,04:29) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,15:02) Hi Mike. Kerwin answered this well.
The Word and the Spirit is OF God but is not God in the entirety…………
I have many times in the past broken Mike to other people.2B, do you or Kerwin have any idea what I'm talking about?
No, no idea
I was talking about breaking MY WORD in the past, 2B. Yet you of course didn't know this, because a person's word is NEVER called by their own name.Ie: The Word OF God is never called “God”.
The word OF Mike is never called “Mike”.
Mike, we are not God.When was the last time that you created anything such as God did??
Okay….
My spirit is only my spirit, it is nobody else's. You have your own spirit and I have mine and everyone else has has their own spirit. So our spirits have a name. It is our own name. Not only OUR NAME but also US.Same with our word. Our spirit and our word go together, of course a word can be shared, so can a spirit. But it comes from the original source.
The word spirit seems to be not well understood.There are many spirits of man,everyone has his own spirit.
But one spirit of life;breath of life.sample:
A person that loves gambling;he has that spirit in him.
A person that loves football; he has that spirit in him.
A person that loves sport;he has that spirit in him.
A person that loves robbing and stealing;he has that spirit in him.
A person that loves seeking God in truth;he has that Holy spirit in him;for it is that spirit that drives him to seek the Holy things.
It is the Holy spirit that guides us to things pertaining to God.All according to Gods measure,depending on how hungry that person is.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2012,00:48) Mike, Do you live by your word?
If so then you give body to your word.
Kerwin,Unless you or anyone else can refer to the word OF Mike by calling my word “Mike”, then my word is NOT “Mike”.
Have you forgotten what the English word OF means, Kerwin? It shows POSSESSION. Therefore, the Word OF God is something God POSSESSES – it is not God Himself.
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2012,22:33) Hi Mike, He's got the construction crew working on your mansion in the “HolyCity” right now.
Mansion? Doubtful. I will consider myself blessed just to get a tour of the Kingdom.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,02:06) As you can see, The Spirit reveals God to us because God's Spirit (The Holy Spirit) searches everything, even the depths of God.
And as YOU should be able to see, if the Spirit OF God can comprehend the thoughts OF God, then it is clear that neither the thoughts OF God, nor the Spirit OF God, can be God Himself.Otherwise, Paul would be teaching us that “God Himself” can comprehend the thoughts of “God Himself”. What would be the sense in saying that?
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,02:06) put it together now Mike – if no-one knows the THOUGHTS of God except the Spirit of God — 'no one knows the Father (Thoughts) except the Son (Spirit).
John 5:20
For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these.How can God SHOW His Holy Spirit (Jesus) greater things? Wouldn't that Spirit (Jesus) already know the thoughts of God? Why then would God ever have to SHOW him things?
2B, there are so many things wrong with your understanding that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Here's just one:
Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth…………Was Jesus full of joy through himself? Can you notice that this verse concerns THREE things, all of which are different from each other?
1. Jesus
2. The Holy Spirit of God
3. The Father, Lord of heaven and earthQuote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,02:57) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,21:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2012,13:17) The word OF Mike is never called “Mike”.
No. It is called Mike's Word!
(The word of Mike!) lol.
That's right, 2B!Because the apostraphe – s works the same way as the word “of”. They are both ways of showing POSSESSION.
1. Word OF Mike – Shows a possession of Mike
2. Mike's word – Shows a possession of Mike
3. Mike – Encompasses all of Mike, and is not a possession of MikeQuote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,02:58) The Word of God.
(God's Word – Logos).
Word of God – Shows possession of God
God's Word – Shows possession of God
God – Encompasses the entire being of God, not something He possesses.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2012,11:04) 2B, there are so many things wrong with your understanding that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Here's just one: Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth…………Was Jesus full of joy through himself? Can you notice that this verse concerns THREE things, all of which are different from each other?
1. Jesus
2. The Holy Spirit of God
3. The Father, Lord of heaven and earth
Mike, I never said that. I said that the Son is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit (Son) was IN Jesus the man.Here is one of my scriptural proofs for you:
'How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:14)
That is three. The eternal Spirit and Christ and God.
“The Holy Pre-existent Spirit. Which created the whole creation, God made to dwell in flesh that he desired.
This flesh, therefore, in which the Holy Spirit dwelt, was subject unto the Spirit, walking honorably in holiness and purity, without in any way defiling the Spirit.
When then it had lived honorably in chastity, and had labored with the Spirit, and had cooperated with it in everything, behaving itself boldly and bravely, he chose it as a partner with the Holy Spirit; for the career of this flesh pleased [the Lord], seeing that, as possessing the Holy Spirit, it was not defiled upon the earth.
He therefore took the son as adviser and the glorious angels also, that this flesh too, having served the Spirit unblamably, might have some place of sojourn, and might not seem to have lost the reward for its service;
for all flesh, which is found undefiled and unspotted, wherein the Holy Spirit dwelt, shall receive a reward.” (Shepherd of Hermas once considered as canon)So as you can see, one of the earliest writings which was also considered as canon and is spoken of by the “Church Fathers” said the same thing.
Not just me.Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2012,10:29) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,19:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2012,13:17) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 26 2012,02:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2012,04:29) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,15:02) Hi Mike. Kerwin answered this well.
The Word and the Spirit is OF God but is not God in the entirety…………
I have many times in the past broken Mike to other people.2B, do you or Kerwin have any idea what I'm talking about?
No, no idea
I was talking about breaking MY WORD in the past, 2B. Yet you of course didn't know this, because a person's word is NEVER called by their own name.Ie: The Word OF God is never called “God”.
The word OF Mike is never called “Mike”.
Mike, we are not God.When was the last time that you created anything such as God did??
Okay….
My spirit is only my spirit, it is nobody else's. You have your own spirit and I have mine and everyone else has has their own spirit. So our spirits have a name. It is our own name. Not only OUR NAME but also US.Same with our word. Our spirit and our word go together, of course a word can be shared, so can a spirit. But it comes from the original source.
The word spirit seems to be not well understood.There are many spirits of man,everyone has his own spirit.
But one spirit of life;breath of life.sample:
A person that loves gambling;he has that spirit in him.
A person that loves football; he has that spirit in him.
A person that loves sport;he has that spirit in him.
A person that loves robbing and stealing;he has that spirit in him.
A person that loves seeking God in truth;he has that Holy spirit in him;for it is that spirit that drives him to seek the Holy things.
It is the Holy spirit that guides us to things pertaining to God.All according to Gods measure,depending on how hungry that person is.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup.So there is a spirit of football, a spirit of gambling, a spirit of sport….
Hmmm.
I believe that there are good and bad spirits but we each have our very own unique spirit – our own spirit.
Do you agree?
2Besee.
You still dont get it.
I was not speaking about evil spirits,thats different.
If a person can not stop gambling,it is because he has that spirit of gambling in him,which will lead him into all kinds of trouble.It could also lead him to the spirit of stealing.This is the spirit of man.
Not every person love to gamble.Not every person have the same love. Many dont like the spiritual,but just the material.All have different spirits. I love the spiritual.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2012,23:12) All have different spirits. I love the spiritual.
Hi Wakeup
What is the spiritual to you? Can you please explain.
Thank-you.Quote (2besee @ Dec. 28 2012,03:38) Mike, I never said that. I said that the Son is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit (Son) was IN Jesus the man. Here is one of my scriptural proofs for you:
'How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:14)
So who sacrificed their FLESH? God's Son, the Holy Spirit?Like I said, there are many things wrong with this understanding, scripturally speaking.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 29 2012,14:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2012,23:12) All have different spirits. I love the spiritual.
Hi Wakeup
What is the spiritual to you? Can you please explain.
Thank-you.
2Besee.I have seen some people that dedicate them selves to sport; and I am sure you have seen them too.
Why is that so? It is because they have that spirit, to do sport and nothing but sport.That is number one in their heart.
And one worships what is in the heart.
Some have the spirit of surfing the waves and nothing but surfing.
The spirit of surfing is in them.These spirits has nothing to do with evil spirits,but it will lead to an empty life without God, in the end.
But God workes in mysterious ways;sometimes he can change them later in their lives,when the calling starts.God has chosen us from the beginning,because we have the spirit of searching the scriptures,of which the world hates; to them it is just silly or a waste of time.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,05:37) So who sacrificed their FLESH? God's Son, the Holy Spirit? Mike, only one had flesh and that was the Man Jesus – the begotten Son of God – the anointed – the Christ.
Holy Spirit is Spirit, just as God is also Spirit. Spirit gives birth to Spirit.
'How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?' (Hebrews 9:14)
The 'eternal Son of God' is not Jesus – Jesus is a man – the anointed one – the Christos – and the first begotten from the dead.
God saved the World through Him due to His perfection (sinlessness).The Holy Spirit is the eternal “Son of God” who was in Jesus. the eternal “Son of God” came down from Heaven.
This is how I am understanding it, so far.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,05:39) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 29 2012,14:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2012,23:12) All have different spirits. I love the spiritual.
Hi Wakeup
What is the spiritual to you? Can you please explain.
Thank-you.
2Besee.I have seen some people that dedicate them selves to sport; and I am sure you have seen them too.
Why is that so? It is because they have that spirit, to do sport and nothing but sport.That is number one in their heart.
And one worships what is in the heart.
Some have the spirit of surfing the waves and nothing but surfing.
The spirit of surfing is in them.These spirits has nothing to do with evil spirits,but it will lead to an empty life without God, in the end.
But God workes in mysterious ways;sometimes he can change them later in their lives,when the calling starts.God has chosen us from the beginning,because we have the spirit of searching the scriptures,of which the world hates; to them it is just silly or a waste of time.
wakeup.
Wakeup I completely agree with your statement here.I would call it an 'earthly spirit' – or 'spirit of the world'. But I know what you are saying.
And the rest that you said,
Amen.Quote (2besee @ Dec. 30 2012,05:46) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,05:37) So who sacrificed their FLESH? God's Son, the Holy Spirit? Mike, only one had flesh and that was the Man Jesus – the begotten Son of God – the anointed – the Christ.
Holy Spirit is Spirit, just as God is also Spirit. Spirit gives birth to Spirit.
'How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?' (Hebrews 9:14)
2beeQuote Holy Spirit is Spirit, just as God is also Spirit. Spirit gives birth to Spirit. let make right ;God his spirit by his form ,and he has an soul ,so he his a living being ,yes no one like it ,but the holy spirit scriptures say HIS FROM HIM ;and I can see that the holy spirit is used for many things ,and so do many things with many people in deed, but always for Gods purpose ,see this
so the holy spirit can not be God son under any circumstance ,because father and son are two different persons with each their own soul and mind and will ,not every food is good for jam
Yes T, you rightly say that there is only one God and that the Spirit is from from that one God, correct.
You say that the Father and the Son are two different beings – each with their own soul; mind; and will.
The begotten Son of God (Jesus) — Yes — Is different.
But the eternal Son of God (The Spirit) — No. God and the Spirit are one and the same God.John 10:30 'I and my Father are one'.
John 10:38 'Understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father.”Man was made in God's image and then Man “gave birth” to flesh.
God cannot “give birth” as we do as God is Spirit…………….. (What IS Spirit, T)
Spirit does not have a body at all – nothing – nil – it is POWERS.God is the Holy Spirit. God is also His Word. There is only one God, made up of mind; power; spirit; word; and many other things (love, light, etc) – and one Man, Jesus Christ.
Listen:
1Tim 3:5: 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus'.
That is exactly what I am saying.Why no mention of the Holy Spirit in that?
Ahhh…. Because God IS the Holy Spirit (Just as God is His own word – both are parts of the one God)…
The Holy Spirit is important,
see here:
Mat12:32 'Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.See that?
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 30 2012,09:49) Yes T, you rightly say that there is only one God and that the Spirit is from from that one God, correct. You say that the Father and the Son are two different beings – each with their own soul; mind; and will.
The begotten Son of God (Jesus) — Yes — Is different.
But the eternal Son of God (The Spirit) — No. God and the Spirit are one and the same God.John 10:30 'I and my Father are one'.
John 10:38 'Understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father.”Man was made in God's image and then Man “gave birth” to flesh.
God cannot “give birth” as we do as God is Spirit…………….. (What IS Spirit, T)
Spirit does not have a body at all – nothing – nil – it is POWERS.God is the Holy Spirit. God is also His Word. There is only one God, made up of mind; power; spirit; word; and many other things (love, light, etc) – and one Man, Jesus Christ.
Listen:
1Tim 3:5: 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus'.
That is exactly what I am saying.Why no mention of the Holy Spirit in that?
Ahhh…. Because God IS the Holy Spirit (Just as God is His own word – both are parts of the one God)…
The Holy Spirit is important,
see here:
Mat12:32 'Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.See that?
2beeQuote But the eternal Son of God (The Spirit) — No. God and the Spirit are one and the same God. Jesus and God son and the WORD OF GOD in John 1;1 are the same being ;
Quote John 10:30 'I and my Father are one'.
John 10:38 'Understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father.”yes Jesus and THE WORD OF GOD his the same person Jesus in heaven or on earth always did Gods will ,this is what he want us all to do ,be one with him and his father ,
“the Father is in me and I am in the Father “
this an other way to say the same thing as “'I and my Father are one'Quote God cannot “give birth” as we do as God is Spirit…………….. God did not give birth the women did ,but Marry was only a surrogated mother of the son of God ,this is why it says ;
pay attention to the following scriptures;
Lk 1:46 And Mary said:
“My soul glorifies the Lord
Lk 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
Lk 1:48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
Lk 1:49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
holy is his name.
Lk 1:50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation.
Lk 1:51 He has performed mighty deeds with his arm;
he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.
Lk 1:52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones
but has lifted up the humble.
Lk 1:53 He has filled the hungry with good things
but has sent the rich away empty.
Lk 1:54 He has helped his servant Israel,
remembering to be mercifulNow pay attention how the actions take place ;and who his at work ;
Lk 1:28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
Lk 1:29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be.
Lk 1:30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God.
Lk 1:31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.
Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”
Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.Quote (What IS Spirit, T) God his spirit by his form but he has his own soul and so is a being (no one like him )what we call spirit could mean either ;our intentions, our will ,our mobiles ,this is the spirit of man (now our form is flesh),but sins we are made to the image of God and angels, so they as well have a soul have intentions, wills, mobiles ect but God as it in the perfect way because he his the cause of it all,
the holy spirit is the power that God uses to fulfill his will ,it seems to be a tool for all application, but it is not God but FROM GOD.
Jesus Christ ,alias THE WORD OF GOD, alias son of God ,alias son of man, alias the Messiah, alias THE ARM OF GOD, alias the first born over all creation, alias the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
BUT HE IS NOT GOD ,CAN NOT BE THE FATHER OF WITCH HE HIS THE SON OF.
DID THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION???
Quote Listen:
1Tim 3:5: 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus'.
That is exactly what I am saying.WE ALL ACCEPTING THIS SCRIPTURE TO BE TRUE ;
Lk 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Lk 24:26 Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?”
Lk 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.see how he talks about himself now resurrected
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
1Jn 1:2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
1Jn 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 We write this to make our joy complete.LOOK WHAT JOHN SAYS IN VERSE 2 ;”which was with the Father and has appeared to us.”
WHY IS HE CALLED “LIFE” by John
was John not one of his disciples yes he was but that was the past now what did Christ represent to all of us he call Jesus the “life” well is this not true to the very letter to me it is .many scriptures will testify to that effect ;Mat12:32 'Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.
like I said the holy spirit is Gods trade tool ,not him only from him and why is it so terrible to say anything against it ;holy spirit his the tool that comes from God to save men it was the tool used to give his written word to men ,the truth ;he used it to make his son be born from a women so that he could speak to the people through his son ,SO IF WE TALK AGAINST GOD'S OWN WORDS THAT WOULD SAVE US ,THEN WHO WILL SAVE US ???NO ONE WE DIE AND ALL BECAUSE WE HAVE SPOKEN AGAINST AND NOT LISTEN TO IT AND SO BE SAVED ,
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 30 2012,10:54) The 'eternal Son of God' is not Jesus – Jesus is a man – the anointed one – the Christos – and the first begotten from the dead.
God saved the World through Him due to His perfection (sinlessness).The Holy Spirit is the eternal “Son of God” who was in Jesus. the eternal “Son of God” came down from Heaven.
This is how I am understanding it, so far.
2Besee.Correction;
And the WORD was MADE FLESH.
Jesus WAS THE WORD.
The word humbled himself and became man.wakeup.
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