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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:15) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,03:39) And now I saw heaven open, and a white horse appear – This is the Word, the Holy Spirit.
On his cloak and on his thigh a name was written: King of kings and Lord of lords.
Jesus is called the King of kings and the Lord of lords.
So Jesus actually IS the Holy Spirit?
No, Jesus is a man. The Holy Spirit was IN Him!Do you disagree with that?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:25) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,03:53) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 1. Barack Obama BECAME the President. 2. Barack Obama CAME TO BE IN the President.
Are you sure you can't see a difference?
Mike, your question doesn't make sense?
My example was in response to YOU saying there wasn't a difference between “BECAME” and “CAME TO BE IN“.Can you see the difference the word “IN” makes in my example? YES or NO?
Hi Mike, we are not speaking about man here, we are speaking about God. You cannot use Barack Obama or any man as an example of the Spirit of God, and His Word, being IN a person.…..So, no. Your question does not make sense to me.
We each have our own spirit and our spirit is IN us….correct?
So, Jesus as a man also had His own spirit in him.
Due to his obedience and perfection, then the spirit of God – the eternal spirit – went into Him. And then, thereafter, when He spoke, He spoke from God.'The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me'.
Do you understand that?
God is spirit….true?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:22) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,04:07) The Word of God is GOD, the Holy Spirit is God.
Obviously, you haven't done the test I asked you to do.If the word OF actually God IS God, then we should be able to swap out “word of God” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
If the Holy Spirit OF God actually IS God, then we should be able to swap out “Holy Spirit” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
That will take me some to do….but okay when I have some time!Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,21:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:22) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,04:07) The Word of God is GOD, the Holy Spirit is God.
Obviously, you haven't done the test I asked you to do.If the word OF actually God IS God, then we should be able to swap out “word of God” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
If the Holy Spirit OF God actually IS God, then we should be able to swap out “Holy Spirit” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
That will take me some to do….but okay when I have some time!
2Besee.A person has the spirit of life in him.
Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the *SPIRIT OF LIFE* from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.(breath of life).
That person also has an other spirit, and that is his total concept of life. Either he is a giving person, a humble person,God fearing,and patient.
Or a hateful mean,selfish, and greedy. This can also be seen as character.
He lives his life according to that spirit; that is in his mind.
Only the word of God can change that spirit.If he lives according to the spirit of the world,he will be a son of the world,and he will do the worlds deeds.
If he lives according the spirit of Zion,he will be the son of Zion; and he will live a God fearing life.
There are also that lives according to both spirits. Partly Zion and partly babylon.These are the luke warm.
Regarding God;Jesus; and the Holy spirit.
Just see the scripture to find the answer.
Pslms.110. The Lord said unto my Lord sit thou at my right hand,—–Notice; only two: God, and Jesus.No Holy spirit seen??
Rev.5 and 6.There are Only two; God and the Lamb.No Holy spirit seen??
God is the Father of ALL; and Jesus; the only begotten son.
(the Word of God).
The Holy spirit is the spirit of truth that is in the essence of God, for HE IS TRUTH ITSELF.If one lives according to Gods will; he also will have that spirit in him,and he will live by it.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,16:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:22) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,04:07) The Word of God is GOD, the Holy Spirit is God.
Obviously, you haven't done the test I asked you to do.If the word OF actually God IS God, then we should be able to swap out “word of God” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
If the Holy Spirit OF God actually IS God, then we should be able to swap out “Holy Spirit” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
That will take me some to do….but okay when I have some time!
2beesee,You wrote and I agree that:
Quote No, Jesus is a man. The Holy Spirit was IN Him! Do you disagree with that?
Yawheh is God. He gives concrete existence to his Word.
In John 1 the writer explicitly states the Word is God and then later stated the Word became flesh. This sets up an likeness between the Word that is God and the Word that is made flesh. Thee writer also let us know the Word was with God in order that we would not falsely conclude the Word was actually the whole of God.
The mechanics of how the Word was made flesh is that God (who gives concrete existence to his Word) came to dwell in Jesus through the Spirit.
I saw where you quoted a passage to that effect in another place. Isaiah teaches us the same in Isaiah 42:1.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,03:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:15) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,03:39) And now I saw heaven open, and a white horse appear – This is the Word, the Holy Spirit.
On his cloak and on his thigh a name was written: King of kings and Lord of lords.
Jesus is called the King of kings and the Lord of lords.
So Jesus actually IS the Holy Spirit?
No, Jesus is a man. The Holy Spirit was IN Him!Do you disagree with that?
Not at all. So are you saying that the rider of the white horse was BOTH Jesus AND the Holy Spirit that was in him? Were there TWO riders on that horse, and some of the verses described ONE of the riders, while some of the verses described THE OTHER of the TWO riders?Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,04:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:22) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,04:07) The Word of God is GOD, the Holy Spirit is God.
Obviously, you haven't done the test I asked you to do.If the word OF actually God IS God, then we should be able to swap out “word of God” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
If the Holy Spirit OF God actually IS God, then we should be able to swap out “Holy Spirit” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
That will take me some to do….but okay when I have some time!
Well here, let ME take some of that time for you:Acts 12:24 KJV
But the word of God grew and multiplied.Can we swap out the words “word of God” for the words “God Himself” in this verse? Did “God Himself” grow and multiply? If not, then “the word of God” cannot possibly BE the very God it is OF. I would have thought that would just be simple common sense to most people, seeing how the word “OF”, in of of itself, refers to a POSSESSION OF someone, and not to that someone themselves.
John 14:26 NIV
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.How about this one? Can we swap out the words “Holy Spirit” for the words “God Himself”? Does it really say, But God, whom the Father will send in my name………… ?
Did the Father SEND “God” to the disciples to remind them of everything Jesus had said to them?
Please address these two scriptures, and tell me if you still think the word OF God IS God Himself. Tell me if you still think the Holy Spirit OF God IS God Himself.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,04:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:25) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,03:53) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 1. Barack Obama BECAME the President. 2. Barack Obama CAME TO BE IN the President.
Are you sure you can't see a difference?
Mike, your question doesn't make sense?
My example was in response to YOU saying there wasn't a difference between “BECAME” and “CAME TO BE IN“.Can you see the difference the word “IN” makes in my example? YES or NO?
Hi Mike, we are not speaking about man here, we are speaking about God. You cannot use Barack Obama or any man as an example of the Spirit of God, and His Word, being IN a person.…..So, no. Your question does not make sense to me.
Oh, okay. Then let me go BACK to the SCRIPTURAL and SPIRITUAL example I already gave you – an example you IGNORED the first time.1 Corinthians 15:45
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Now, can we ADD the word “IN” into this verse, making it say, “The first man Adam
becamecame to be IN a living being”; the last Adambecamecame to be IN a life-giving spirit. ?Would it be wise of us to just ADD the word “IN” to this verse, without a care in the world about how it CHANGES the entire teaching? YES or NO?
Is my point beginning to “make sense” to you now?
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,02:09) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,21:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:22) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,04:07) The Word of God is GOD, the Holy Spirit is God.
Obviously, you haven't done the test I asked you to do.If the word OF actually God IS God, then we should be able to swap out “word of God” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
If the Holy Spirit OF God actually IS God, then we should be able to swap out “Holy Spirit” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
That will take me some to do….but okay when I have some time!
2Besee.A person has the spirit of life in him.
Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the *SPIRIT OF LIFE* from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.(breath of life).
That person also has an other spirit, and that is his total concept of life. Either he is a giving person, a humble person,God fearing,and patient.
Or a hateful mean,selfish, and greedy. This can also be seen as character.
He lives his life according to that spirit; that is in his mind.
Only the word of God can change that spirit.If he lives according to the spirit of the world,he will be a son of the world,and he will do the worlds deeds.
If he lives according the spirit of Zion,he will be the son of Zion; and he will live a God fearing life.
There are also that lives according to both spirits. Partly Zion and partly babylon.These are the luke warm.
Regarding God;Jesus; and the Holy spirit.
Just see the scripture to find the answer.
Pslms.110. The Lord said unto my Lord sit thou at my right hand,—–Notice; only two: God, and Jesus.No Holy spirit seen??
Rev.5 and 6.There are Only two; God and the Lamb.No Holy spirit seen??
God is the Father of ALL; and Jesus; the only begotten son.
(the Word of God).
The Holy spirit is the spirit of truth that is in the essence of God, for HE IS TRUTH ITSELF.If one lives according to Gods will; he also will have that spirit in him,and he will live by it.
wakeup.
Quote Rev.5 and 6.There are Only two; God and the Lamb.No Holy spirit seen?? Wakeup,
I agree but as a sidenote, I see the River that flows from the throne of God and the Lamb (Rev 22:1) as the Holy Spirit which is poured out and is life giving water to all of those who receive it.'Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb'
I agree with the rest that you said.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2012,02:17) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,16:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:22) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,04:07) The Word of God is GOD, the Holy Spirit is God.
Obviously, you haven't done the test I asked you to do.If the word OF actually God IS God, then we should be able to swap out “word of God” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
If the Holy Spirit OF God actually IS God, then we should be able to swap out “Holy Spirit” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
That will take me some to do….but okay when I have some time!
2beesee,You wrote and I agree that:
Quote No, Jesus is a man. The Holy Spirit was IN Him! Do you disagree with that?
Yawheh is God. He gives concrete existence to his Word.
In John 1 the writer explicitly states the Word is God and then later stated the Word became flesh. This sets up an likeness between the Word that is God and the Word that is made flesh. Thee writer also let us know the Word was with God in order that we would not falsely conclude the Word was actually the whole of God.
The mechanics of how the Word was made flesh is that God (who gives concrete existence to his Word) came to dwell in Jesus through the Spirit.
I saw where you quoted a passage to that effect in another place. Isaiah teaches us the same in Isaiah 42:1.
Amen Kerwin I agree with that
Do you know that months ago I was an Arian type believer. It is only in the past so many months that I have come to see this differently, though I will admit that I was beginning to see this years ago but I went off track badly.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,04:55) So are you saying that the rider of the white horse was BOTH Jesus AND the Holy Spirit that was in him?
Yes!The rider on the white horse is both 'The Word' and also 'Jesus'. Jesus was body — and God's word and spirit are spirit.
The book of revelations is written in symbolic form, so not much can be taken literally. Spiritual things have been shown in picture.
Quote Were there TWO riders on that horse, and some of the verses described ONE of the riders, while some of the verses described THE OTHER of the TWO riders? I suppose that you could say that.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,05:22) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,04:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:22) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,04:07) The Word of God is GOD, the Holy Spirit is God.
Obviously, you haven't done the test I asked you to do.If the word OF actually God IS God, then we should be able to swap out “word of God” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
If the Holy Spirit OF God actually IS God, then we should be able to swap out “Holy Spirit” for “God Himself” in ANY scripture, right? Can we?
That will take me some to do….but okay when I have some time!
Well here, let ME take some of that time for you:Acts 12:24 KJV
But the word of God grew and multiplied.Can we swap out the words “word of God” for the words “God Himself” in this verse? Did “God Himself” grow and multiply? If not, then “the word of God” cannot possibly BE the very God it is OF. I would have thought that would just be simple common sense to most people, seeing how the word “OF”, in of of itself, refers to a POSSESSION OF someone, and not to that someone themselves.
John 14:26 NIV
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.How about this one? Can we swap out the words “Holy Spirit” for the words “God Himself”? Does it really say, But God, whom the Father will send in my name………… ?
Did the Father SEND “God” to the disciples to remind them of everything Jesus had said to them?
Please address these two scriptures, and tell me if you still think the word OF God IS God Himself. Tell me if you still think the Holy Spirit OF God IS God Himself.
Hi Mike.Kerwin answered this well.
The Word and the Spirit is OF God but is not God in the entirety, I have said this to you before. you are re-asking questions… but that is okay.
YOUR spirit is OF you just as your words are of you, but they are not YOU in the entirety, are they.
So yes I can confidently read those verses and understand them, just as they are.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,05:28) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,04:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,04:25) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 23 2012,03:53) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 1. Barack Obama BECAME the President. 2. Barack Obama CAME TO BE IN the President.
Are you sure you can't see a difference?
Mike, your question doesn't make sense?
My example was in response to YOU saying there wasn't a difference between “BECAME” and “CAME TO BE IN“.Can you see the difference the word “IN” makes in my example? YES or NO?
Hi Mike, we are not speaking about man here, we are speaking about God. You cannot use Barack Obama or any man as an example of the Spirit of God, and His Word, being IN a person.…..So, no. Your question does not make sense to me.
Oh, okay. Then let me go BACK to the SCRIPTURAL and SPIRITUAL example I already gave you – an example you IGNORED the first time.1 Corinthians 15:45
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Now, can we ADD the word “IN” into this verse, making it say, “The first man Adam
becamecame to be IN a living being”; the last Adambecamecame to be IN a life-giving spirit. ?Would it be wise of us to just ADD the word “IN” to this verse, without a care in the world about how it CHANGES the entire teaching? YES or NO?
Is my point beginning to “make sense” to you now?
1 Cor 15:45
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Yes. The last Adam, Jesus, born of flesh and blood, BECAME a life giving spirit after he conquered and was risen to everlasting life and was seated at God's right hand.
Quote Now, can we ADD the word “IN” into this verse, making it say, “The first man Adam became came to be IN a living being”; the last Adam became came to be IN a life-giving spirit. ? Would it be wise of us to just ADD the word “IN” to this verse, without a care in the world about how it CHANGES the entire teaching? YES or NO?
Is my point beginning to “make sense” to you now?
No because it says elsewhere in scripture:
'Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.'
'Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me.'
Adam was created from the dust, Jesus was created from the spirit – word. Both were without a flesh and blood Father. Flesh gives birth to flesh, spirit gives birth to spirit….
God was IN Jesus through His eternal Spirit.
Quote 'Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.' 'Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me.'
in plain english what is this means???
2beesee,
Quote Amen Kerwin I agree with that Do you know that months ago I was an Arian type believer. It is only in the past so many months that I have come to see this differently, though I will admit that I was beginning to see this years ago but I went off track badly.
I have also tread a long and winding path that appears similar to yours.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 25 2012,07:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,04:55) So are you saying that the rider of the white horse was BOTH Jesus AND the Holy Spirit that was in him?
Yes!The rider on the white horse is both 'The Word' and also 'Jesus'. Jesus was body — and God's word and spirit are spirit.
The book of revelations is written in symbolic form, so not much can be taken literally. Spiritual things have been shown in picture.
Quote Were there TWO riders on that horse, and some of the verses described ONE of the riders, while some of the verses described THE OTHER of the TWO riders? I suppose that you could say that.
Hi Besee.I noticed that you are getting more and more twisted in your understanding.
Christ was man; now he is still man with a new body.
The old flesh is past for him, and WILL ALSO BE FOR US.CHRIST IS THE WORD OF GOD AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE WORD OF GOD.(spirit).
HE IS SPIRIT NOW,ALTHOUGH HE CAN MATERIALISE ANYTIME.(we also, will be able to).The two angels also did materialise entering sodom.
wakeup.
wakeup,
Do you believe that an angel materializes when Scripture states he appears?
Consider: Balaam's ass saw an angel while it was still hidden from Balaam's site.
Consider: Elisha whose servant's eyes were open to see Angelic Chariots and the soldiers who were blinded so they knew not where they were.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2012,22:13) wakeup, Do you believe that an angel materializes when Scripture states he appears?
Consider: Balaam's ass saw an angel while it was still hidden from Balaam's site.
Consider: Elisha whose servant's eyes were open to see Angelic Chariots and the soldiers who were blinded so they knew not where they were.
Kerwin.Two persons walking;an angel can only appear to one of them,the other person can not see but the one only.
Saul(paul) saw the light speaking to him(jesus);but his men did not see the light ,only heard a voice.
Same situation with Elisha; he could see but his servant could not ,untill his eyes also were opened.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,15:02) Hi Mike. Kerwin answered this well.
The Word and the Spirit is OF God but is not God in the entirety…………
I have many times in the past broken Mike to other people.2B, do you or Kerwin have any idea what I'm talking about?
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,15:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,05:22)
John 14:26 NIV
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.Does it really say, But God, whom the Father will send in my name………… ?
Did the Father SEND “God” to the disciples to remind them of everything Jesus had said to them?
Hi Mike.So yes I can confidently read those verses and understand them, just as they are.
So then it makes perfect sense to you to say, The Father sent God to the people. ?
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