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  • #375808
    Wakeup
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    Gene B.

    What about the parable of the man with the pennies?

    wakeup.

    #375823
    NickHassan
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    Hi WU,
    Yes parables have a message.
    But they are all based on real truth.

    They reveal aspects of truth we should study

    #375894
    journey42
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    Gene wrote:

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    Journey42. and Marty……..A rich man ask Jesus what must he do to enter the Kingdom of God , Jesus responded “KEEP THE Commandments?. Paul's argument was not about should we keep the Law (the ten commandments) it was about How Law “WORKS”  that is why he said  by “WORKS” of LAW, a man shall not be “Justified” before God, Why?, because LAW WORKS BY FORCE COMPLIANCE through the medium of fear of transgressing it> But a person Obeying “THE” LAW (the ten commandments) through the operation of fear or forced compliance is not being made right in his or her heart.

    LAWS can never change hearts, it takes the Spirit of the Living God to do that within. That was Paul's argument, it was never should we keep the commandments or not, it was HOW we are keeping them, is it Through the way LAW “WORKS or through the OPERATION of GOD, who changes our hearts and minds within us to comply to his commandments. Like it say you are being “CREATED” UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS>  

    So are we to keep the commandments ,YES, but more important is, how we are keeping them, is it by Faith or by the way a LAW WORKS, forced compliance,  one requires no Faith at all, Just fear, the other does require FAITH apart from the WORKS of LAW.

    Journey and Marty the problem is the placement of the “definite article” the, by translators where it says By works of “THE” LAW, it should just say, by WORKS OF LAW, the definite article makes you think he is speaking of the ten commandments instead of How LAW itself WORKS.  Check it out, in the original Greek you can see it there, the definte article is not used.

    peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

    Hi Gene

    Jesus came to fulfill the Law.  He came preaching a new law with new commandments.
    The old Law was a curse, hard to keep, and the new law and commandments is what Jesus came to sow, a better way, for gentiles also who were to come in and worship also, and not bound by that old law which was never made for them but Jews only.  All following the same law and commandments now, a New Law.  Improved, achievable.

    Luke 8:14   And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

    So when Jesus and his apostles spoke concerning rich men,
    it was according to the new law, and not the old.
    Must put God first now, faith, because there's a new field, and Christ planted the seed, a new seed, unlike any other ever planted, a new teaching.
    And he said that riches would choke the word – not the old word written in the Old laws, but the NEW WORD, of the new covenant.
    And material things is one of the main things the devil tries to tempt us with to take us away from Christ.  Cannot serve both,
    it will choke the truth that Jesus came to sow.

    #375895
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2014,05:26)
    Hi WU,
    Yes parables have a message.
    But they are all based on real truth.

    They reveal aspects of truth we should study


    Nick

    What truth have you got to share with us?
    You still haven't explained what the parable of the man with the pennies mean?
    Babes in Christ need to know what these things mean?
    Some need to be spoon fed,
    so some need teachers with the same faith,
    teaching them, to help them along.
    One big happy family, sharing the things of God.
    Or do you need me to provide scripture to prove this?

    #375902
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi J42,
    It is all there for you to find.
    If you go about it the right way.

    Let all flesh be silent and
    Let scripture speak

    #375916
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2014,13:49)
    Hi J42,
    It is all there for you to find.
    If you go about it the right way.

    Let all flesh be silent and
    Let scripture speak


    Yes Nick

    Let us all shut up, and bury our penny in the sand.
    Lets all be silent.
    Scripture please.

    #375923
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2014,13:49)
    Hi J42,
    It is all there for you to find.
    If you go about it the right way.

    Let all flesh be silent and
    Let scripture speak


    Nick.

    It's all there to find,
    and you have not found anything.
    What is it that you have found?
    Show us some fruits.

    wakeup.

    #375932
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU and J42,
    How can you see fruits if you are still outside the gates?

    #375946
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ April 01 2014,22:57)
    Hi Marty

    That is not true.  Israel killed and rejected their Messiah.
    They do not accept Christ till this day, and do not accept the New Testament, let alone the gospels.

    They are still waiting for their Messiah to come, not knowing he already came the first time, and is returning to judge.

    Can you look a little more closely at these scriptures you gave.  Israel will be blinded until the FULLNESS of THE GENTILES COME IN.  There are still a few more gentiles to come in, but when the 1st trumpet is blown, we know that the fullness of the gentiles are completed. No gentile or Jew can come in until the 7 trumpets are completed, and Christ returns.  THEN mercy will be given to them, by election only, along with the dry bones mentioned in Ezekiel, who will be brought to life in the kingdom, but in the flesh. 
    So not until Christ destroys Babylon the Great, and bounds Satan can they enter.  They will know Christ now, who redeemed them, the chosen only.

    25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

    27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


    Hi J42:

    Just to quote part of the verse that you quoted: “that blindness in part is happened to Israel,” this says in part, meaning that it did not happen to all of them. Some of them accepted the Messiah as their Lord. So, you cannot make a blanket statement that the Jews killed and rejected their Messiah. And not all in this day have rejected their Messiah, some have because of the Trinity doctrine. They will never accept that Jesus, a man is God, and they are right, and so, when the truth is taught, they will accept their Messiah.

    But the scripture states that they can be grafted back in to the vine if they repent from their unbelief.

    You say:

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    Can you look a little more closely at these scriptures you gave.  Israel will be blinded until the FULLNESS of THE GENTILES COME IN.  There are still a few more gentiles to come in, but when the 1st trumpet is blown, we know that the fullness of the gentiles are completed. No gentile or Jew can come in until the 7 trumpets are completed, and Christ returns.  THEN mercy will be given to them, by election only, along with the dry bones mentioned in Ezekiel, who will be brought to life in the kingdom, but in the flesh. 
    So not until Christ destroys Babylon the Great, and bounds Satan can they enter.  They will know Christ now, who redeemed them, the chosen only.

    J42, you are speculating and adding to the scriptures. This is not the way that I am understanding this. Where does it state anything about the 7 trumpets.

    Jews or gentiles can come in at any time until the day that the Lord comes for the church, and any left here at that time will have received the mark of the beast, and once anyone receives the mark of the beast, there is no more forgiveness.

    The scripture that you are quoting states: The deliver will come from Zion and will turn Jacob from his ungodliness.

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    Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

    What we need to know is what the statement “the fulness of the gentiles come in”, and it would mean that when the majority of the gentiles that will be saved have come in, then the concentration of the preaching of the gospel will be to the nation of Israel. The gospel was preached to them as a nation prior to it going to the gentiles, but when the majority of the Jews that were going to be saved then were saved, the gospel went to the gentiles, now the reverse of that is going to happen. And the church needs to come into unity and teach the Word of God in truth, and quit teaching false doctrine, “such as the trinity doctrine and the doctrine of original sin”, and then they can teach the Jews. As I said somewhere else, they will never accept that a man is God. This violates the first of the Ten Commandments which states that they should have not other Gods before Him the One and Only True God.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #375949
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Marty.

    You have tured things up side down.
    You dont believe in the remnant of the jews
    that will be brought back.

    The jews are invited to the supper first;then the gentiles.
    The poor on the streets.

    Luke 14:16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:

    Luke 14:17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

    Luke 14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

    Luke 14:19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

    Luke 14:20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

    Luke 14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

    Luke 14:22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

    Luke 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

    wakeup.

    #375950
    942767
    Participant

    Hi J42:

    This is the way James Faucett Brown commentary explains the “Fulness of the gentiles”.

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    Israel–that is, hath come partially, or upon a portion of Israel.
    until the fulness of the Gentiles be–“have”
    come in–that is, not the general conversion of the world to Christ, as many take it; for this would seem to contradict the latter part of this chapter, and throw the national recovery of Israel too far into the future: besides, in Rom 11:15, the apostle seems to speak of the receiving of Israel, not as following, but as contributing largely to bring about the general conversion of the world–but, “until the Gentiles have had their full time of the visible Church all to themselves while the Jews are out, which the Jews had till the Gentiles were brought in.” (See Luk 21:24 ).

    Luke 21:24 states:

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    Luk 21:24
    And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled

    This seems to be in alignment with Zechariah 14:

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    Zec 14:1

    Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

    Zec 14:2
    For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #375952
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Marty.

    Matthew 24;the abomination of desolation set up.

    wakeup.

    #375966
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 02 2014,17:42)
    Marty.

    Matthew 24;the abomination of desolation set up.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup:

    Probably that time of great trouble or tribulation, and I have heard of a time of Jacob's trouble:

    Read the following'

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    Jeremiah 30
    King James Version (KJV)
    30 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,

    2 Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

    3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

    4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

    5 For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

    6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

    7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

    8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

    9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

    10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

    11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

    12 For thus saith the Lord, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

    13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

    14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

    15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

    16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

    17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

    18 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

    19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

    20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

    21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the Lord.

    22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

    23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

    24 The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #375967
    942767
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup:

    This all appears to happen prior to the Abomination of Desolation being set up, and so, I am not ready to say when at this time.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #375968
    journey42
    Participant

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    Just to quote part of the verse that you quoted:  “that blindness in part is happened to Israel,”  this says in part, meaning that it did not happen to all of them.  Some of them accepted the Messiah as their Lord.  

    Hi Marty
    Of course some of them accepted,  I am not blind to that and agree.  I need not mention the apostles, and disciples, as they will partake in THE FIRST RESURRECTION.  
    but they were the minority,  
    as the majority,& those high up in the church, who claimed to be “God fearing” killed Christ, most apostles, and the prophets before them.

    Acts 2:36   Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

    Acts 7:52   Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

    This is talking to Israel.  They are guilty of his blood.

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    So, you cannot make a blanket statement that the Jews killed and rejected their Messiah.


    It's in the scriptures.  

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    And not all in this day have rejected their Messiah,


    Marty, there will be a few christians no doubt in Israel, and they will be in the first resurrection.  
    But the scriptures are speaking of the Nation Israel.  The Nation who turned their back on God.  Not in their own eyes as they still worship, but God sees into the heart, and because they have rejected his Son, they reject the Most High.  This is the curse put on them, that they be blinded in part.  They still believe in God, and they have the old testament, but reject the Son of God till this day.

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    They will never accept that Jesus, a man is God, and they are right, and so, when the truth is taught, they will accept their Messiah.


    Jesus never claimed to be God, but the Son of God.
    The truth will be taught during the Millennium.

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    But the scripture states that they can be grafted back in to the vine if they repent from their unbelief.


    Israel were the original branches.
    They were cut off,
    so that the gentiles could be grafted in.
    When the complete fulness of the gentiles has come in,
    Israel will be grafted back on to the vine.
    But first they must be corrected, and the New Wine has to be put in them.
    This will happen during the thousand years.

    #375969
    journey42
    Participant

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    There are still a few more gentiles to come in, but when the 1st trumpet is blown, we know that the fullness of the gentiles are completed. No gentile or Jew can come in until the 7 trumpets are completed, and Christ returns.  THEN mercy will be given to them,

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    J42, you are speculating and adding to the scriptures.  This is not the way that I am understanding this.  Where does it state anything about the 7 trumpets.

    Marty

    No speculation here, my gun is fully loaded!

    Just before the first trumpet is blown, we have this;

    Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    Then the 7 angels come out of the temple with the 7 plagues.

    Revelation 15:8   And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

    Temple closed.

    Now see where you can fit this one in?

    Matthew 24:38   For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    Matthew 24:39   And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    Matthew 24:33   So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

    There will be a repeat of history.
    The ark is here now preparing. (Spiritual Ark, Christ)
    Last call.
    The flood is coming soon. (7 angels with the trumpets will start blowing, one after another.)
    but just before the flood hits
    the doors of the ark will be closed, (sealing of the 144,000 and fullness of the gentiles have come in. They have their places in heaven reserved.)
    But No other man can enter heaven.
    Too late now.
    No access to salvation
    Until the 7th trump and Christ returns with his kingdom.
    And if you are lucky enough to be a survivor, you may get to visit the kingdom and learn during the millennium.
    If you are a Jew, you might be one of the reserved, elected to live in the kingdom,
    If you are a wicked Jew survivor, you get to see your brothers in the kingdom, and you cast out.
    They will have all the luxeries now, and you will live amongst the debri.
    This is where there will be gnashing of the teeth.

    #375972
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 02 2014,00:36)
    Gene B.

    What about the parable of the man with the pennies?

    wakeup.


    Wakeup……….What about it , what does that got to do with what i posted brother>

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

    #375974
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ April 02 2014,12:08)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 02 2014,00:15)


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    Journey42. and Marty……..A rich man ask Jesus what must he do to enter the Kingdom of God , Jesus responded “KEEP THE Commandments?. Paul's argument was not about should we keep the Law (the ten commandments) it was about How Law “WORKS”  that is why he said  by “WORKS” of LAW, a man shall not be “Justified” before God, Why?, because LAW WORKS BY FORCE COMPLIANCE through the medium of fear of transgressing it> But a person Obeying “THE” LAW (the ten commandments) through the operation of fear or forced compliance is not being made right in his or her heart.

    LAWS can never change hearts, it takes the Spirit of the Living God to do that within. That was Paul's argument, it was never should we keep the commandments or not, it was HOW we are keeping them, is it Through the way LAW “WORKS or through the OPERATION of GOD, who changes our hearts and minds within us to comply to his commandments. Like it say you are being “CREATED” UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS>  

    So are we to keep the commandments ,YES, but more important is, how we are keeping them, is it by Faith or by the way a LAW WORKS, forced compliance,  one requires no Faith at all, Just fear, the other does require FAITH apart from the WORKS of LAW.

    Journey and Marty the problem is the placement of the “definite article” the, by translators where it says By works of “THE” LAW, it should just say, by WORKS OF LAW, the definite article makes you think he is speaking of the ten commandments instead of How LAW itself WORKS.  Check it out, in the original Greek you can see it there, the definte article is not used.

    peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

    Hi Gene

    Jesus came to fulfill the Law.  He came preaching a new law with new commandments.
    The old Law was a curse, hard to keep, and the new law and commandments is what Jesus came to sow, a better way, for gentiles also who were to come in and worship also, and not bound by that old law which was never made for them but Jews only.  All following the same law and commandments now, a New Law.  Improved, achievable.

    Luke 8:14   And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

    So when Jesus and his apostles spoke concerning rich men,
    it was according to the new law, and not the old.
    Must put God first now, faith, because there's a new field, and Christ planted the seed, a new seed, unlike any other ever planted, a new teaching.
    And he said that riches would choke the word – not the old word written in the Old laws, but the NEW WORD, of the new covenant.
    And material things is one of the main things the devil tries to tempt us with to take us away from Christ.  Cannot serve both,
    it will choke the truth that Jesus came to sow.


    Journey…….You said Jesus came to full fill “THE” LAW, which means the Ten Commandments and that is right, and when he told the rich man who ask him, what he must do to enter the Kingdom of God, Jesus responded KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS, then the Rich man as which ones and Jesus went on to tell him which ones, And it was not  New Commandments  he told him to keep now did he. The truth is, that LOVE FULFILLS the TEN COMMANDMENTS, Jesus even told us that all the law was Hinged on two commandments the Love for God and Love for Man. This is what all the Commandments of God, were all about.

    I and the apostle Paul maintains, it is not about, should we keep the commandments it is about “HOW” WE KEEP THEM> is it by WORKS of LAW or by the CREATIVE WORKS of GOD in our hearts and minds.

    God said “I” will take out of them the stony heart and give them a heart of flesh (soft hearts) and I will write my “LAW” on their inward parts, and they shall be my People and I will be their GOD.

    Don't deceive yourself Journey The Commandments of God will exist forever in the hearts and mind of his people. Just as they did for Jesus who said, he came “not” to “destroy” the Law, or the Prophets but to fulfill them. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

    #375975
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 03 2014,01:07)

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 02 2014,00:36)
    Gene B.

    What about the parable of the man with the pennies?

    wakeup.


    Wakeup……….What about it , how does that got to do with what i posted brother>

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene


    Gene B.

    That parable is about making gain of what is given and not just keep it hidden.
    We need to be fruitfull.
    Labour to be fruitful and increase in knowledge,
    and teach others.Active in seeking.

    This stillness in the Lord is because they are told that they are save, (saved). Just beleive,and all will be well.
    Satan believes also.

    We need to labour, seek.

    wakeup.

    #375983
    journey42
    Participant

    Gene

    I'm not sure what you are quite getting at? but it's a subject I'd like to discuss.
    Am I against the 10 commandments?
    absolutely not.
    Every law is good.
    But the Jews were bound to it.  Not the gentiles.
    I know you are trying explain that the Law must be followed out of faith now, and not because it's a rule,
    but it gets tricky,
    because there is one commandment in there that the gentiles were never instructed to observe, and that's the sabbath.
    If one want's to, that's fine with me,
    But this was the instructions to the apostles;

    Acts 15:19   Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
    Acts 15:20   But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

    There is no mention of observing the sabbath.

    Me myself, I don't like to do anything on a saturday.  Not even cook, or go shopping.  I just like to have a rest.
    I am not consciously saying to myself, it's sabbath day today, do nothing, don't work.  I just do nothing without even giving it a second thought.  I like saturdays to be easy.
    Maybe I'm following it unconsciously without realising?
    But there would be some saturdays that I have to do stuff,
    so am I breaking it?

    If someone wants to keep that day holy for the Lord,
    then I do not hold it against them.  That is their choice. Any sacrifice one wants to make for the Lord is good.
    Jesus said the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath (Mark 2:27)
    It was so that every one could get a rest at least one day a week.  So slaves and workers and animals were not overworked.

    Exodus 20:10   But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

    Ok, so then Jesus said it was ok to do good on the sabbath, as they kept accusing him.
    In their eyes, he broke the sabbath constantly.
    So if we have to cook for our children on a sabbath, that's doing good.
    If we have to fix that leaking pipe, it's doing good, or the kids can't wash their dirty hands, and spread germs.
    If we have to go to the shop to buy bread, the family wont starve,
    and what if your job requires you to work on the sabbath?
    if you say no, then you lose your job, and your family loses the house.
    So where do we draw that line now?
    Does everyone have their own rules?
    because none were given in the new testament.
    Does everybody do it their own way?
    Most people that observe the sabbath like to judge those that don't.  

    Colossians 2:16   Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

    I agree with what you have said, except what was spoken to the rich man.  Christ and his apostles did not come preaching the law, but new commandments.
    There are a lot more than 10 now, but hundreds.
    I believe the law was fulfilled when Christ died. (ended)
    and a new set of commandments were given, better ones that involve the spirit from inside and not what's on the outside.

    Romans 10:4   For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    so if we have LOVE, we naturally will not be offending in any of the commandments, because love covers all of them.
    We would not serve or bow down to any other god.
    we would not covet,
    we would not murder,
    we would not commit adultery,
    we would not steal
    etc
    but we might have to work?
    I say we keep everyday holy and abstain from all forms of sin.

    This is a tricky one.
    I like to think that I keep every day holy. For God is always in my thoughts constantly, and his words always in my heart, and I can't express how much I love him, and need him and his guidance every single moment of the day.
    I guess you could say I'm a fanatic.
    If you would like to shed some more light, I would be happy to hear.

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