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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2011,14:01)

What you have not even considered is
that the Coptic may need the indefinite article
in John 1:1 for it to make sense in the Coptic language.
We know that it is not necessary (in this case) to add it in English!

Ed,

We cannot even begin to discuss the LOGIC of whether the “a” should be added in 1:1c if we can't start with all the FACTS.

Once we've all agreed upon the FACT that it is possible to add the “a” in the English translation, THEN we can move on to the LOGIC issues of whether or not it SHOULD BE added.

So……………..IS IT POSSIBLE?

(And how can you say I haven't considered the “making sense” aspect when that's the aspect I'm trying to resolve? Did you not see my 15 points that DON'T make sense when you translate it as “the Word was God”? )

mike

March 12, 2011 at 9:53 pm#239009

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Hi Mike,

Because for some sentences to make sense in English,
the indefinite article (a or an) is “sometimes” necessary!
As you know: neither Hebrew nor Greek have indefinite articles.

This I know, Ed. In fact I have been arguing this for months now. So for you to act like you're “teaching” this to me right now is unnecessary.

NOW………….tell me why the almighty Google would choose to ADD THE “A” before “liar”, but NOT before “god” in 1:1?

Does the almighty Google translator, which has John 8:44 speaking of “biscuits”, know something I don't?

I'll tell you what, let's forget about Google translator, and just answer my question:

Based on the Greek words in 1:1c, is it IMPOSSIBLE to add the “a” so that it reads “the Word is a god”?

It's a simple YES or NO question, and I'll even give you a hint: (The answer is “NO”)

mike

Hi Mike,

A simple “yes” or “no” WILL NOT DO!
I answered this twice so far, but here's goes a third.
Many modern translators translate the bible to fit their personal biases.
So based on translators bias, like the JW's, you have the indefinite article “a” in the N.W.T..

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 12, 2011 at 10:01 pm#239014

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Keith and Jack,

I apologize for the dishonesty claim. I'm pretty sure I'm aware of your intent, but I can't claim to KNOW that for sure, and so I shouldn't have implied dishonesty or lying.

I'M SORRY.

mike

Thanks Mike!

See WJ, my technique worked! …You don't influence friends with 'a baseball bat'!

Thanks Mike for being honest and admitting you were saying we were dishonest. Some would rather side with wrong than right.

You see Ed you sided with Mike instead of correcting him you corrected me when he was the one wrong and admits it.

What does that say about you ED? Where is your oppology for saying that I was spinning Mikes words?

Hi WJ,

You did the exact same thing that Mike was doing.
And Mike did see through me yelling at the wrong person!
You continue to 'spin' everyone's words; even words in The Bible!
If you are more aware of this trait, then I have done my Job correctly! (2Cor.7:9)

Just as I figured, no appology for accusing me of spinning Mikes words.

Just more of your highmindedness!

Hi WJ,

Rom.12:16-18 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things,
but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 12, 2011 at 10:18 pm#239020

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2011,08:25)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2011,14:01)

Ed,

We cannot even begin to discuss the LOGIC of whether the “a” should be added in 1:1c if we can't start with all the FACTS.

Once we've all agreed upon the FACT that it is possible to add the “a” in the English translation, THEN we can move on to the LOGIC issues of whether or not it SHOULD BE added.

So……………..IS IT POSSIBLE?

(And how can you say I haven't considered the “making sense” aspect when that's the aspect I'm trying to resolve?
Did you not see my 15 points that DON'T make sense when you translate it as “the Word was God”? )

mike

Hi Mike,

Ho Logos(91) = Spirit(91)

I have answered this three times so far; so now here we go for a fourth time…
It is possible to put 'spin' on any bible verse, the N.W.T. has put such spin on John 1:1!
If you'd consider “Ho Logos” is the “HolySpirit”, then you would see the “AKJV Bible” is CORRECT!

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

March 12, 2011 at 10:23 pm#239022

Worshipping Jesus

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Keith and Jack,

I apologize for the dishonesty claim. I'm pretty sure I'm aware of your intent, but I can't claim to KNOW that for sure, and so I shouldn't have implied dishonesty or lying.

I'M SORRY.

mike

Thanks Mike!

See WJ, my technique worked! …You don't influence friends with 'a baseball bat'!

Thanks Mike for being honest and admitting you were saying we were dishonest. Some would rather side with wrong than right.

You see Ed you sided with Mike instead of correcting him you corrected me when he was the one wrong and admits it.

What does that say about you ED? Where is your oppology for saying that I was spinning Mikes words?

Hi WJ,

Just as I figured, no appology for accusing me of spinning Mikes words.

Just more of your highmindedness!

Hi WJ,

Looking in that mirror again aren't you.

Do you like beating people over the head with scriptures in an attempt to accuse of wrong doing rather than admit you were wrong.

You are not getting much respect out of me Ed, and you make it less and less desirable to have dialogue with you.

March 12, 2011 at 10:34 pm#239028

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Keith and Jack,

I apologize for the dishonesty claim. I'm pretty sure I'm aware of your intent, but I can't claim to KNOW that for sure, and so I shouldn't have implied dishonesty or lying.

I'M SORRY.

mike

Thanks Mike!

See WJ, my technique worked! …You don't influence friends with 'a baseball bat'!

Thanks Mike for being honest and admitting you were saying we were dishonest. Some would rather side with wrong than right.

You see Ed you sided with Mike instead of correcting him you corrected me when he was the one wrong and admits it.

What does that say about you ED? Where is your oppology for saying that I was spinning Mikes words?

Hi WJ,

Just as I figured, no appology for accusing me of spinning Mikes words.

Just more of your highmindedness!

Hi WJ,

Looking in that mirror again aren't you.

Do you like beating people over the head with scriptures in an attempt to accuse of wrong doing rather than admit you were wrong.

You are not getting much respect out of me Ed, and you make it less and less desirable to have dialogue with you.

Hi WJ

See you are “PROVING” my words to be correct…

Because if I side with you, you will believe you are making progress
in swaying me towards your “INCOMPLETE” view of God.
And I don't want to encourage you to believe in
something 'FALSE'; like you believing you
are swaying me away from TRUTH!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 12, 2011 at 10:38 pm#239030

Worshipping Jesus

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Keith and Jack,

I apologize for the dishonesty claim. I'm pretty sure I'm aware of your intent, but I can't claim to KNOW that for sure, and so I shouldn't have implied dishonesty or lying.

I'M SORRY.

mike

Thanks Mike!

See WJ, my technique worked! …You don't influence friends with 'a baseball bat'!

Thanks Mike for being honest and admitting you were saying we were dishonest. Some would rather side with wrong than right.

You see Ed you sided with Mike instead of correcting him you corrected me when he was the one wrong and admits it.

What does that say about you ED? Where is your oppology for saying that I was spinning Mikes words?

Hi WJ,

Just as I figured, no appology for accusing me of spinning Mikes words.

Just more of your highmindedness!

Hi WJ,

Looking in that mirror again aren't you.

Do you like beating people over the head with scriptures in an attempt to accuse of wrong doing rather than admit you were wrong.

You are not getting much respect out of me Ed, and you make it less and less desirable to have dialogue with you.

Hi WJ

See you are “PROVING” my words to be correct…

The truth is you cannot confess when you are wrong. Pride I guess.

I'll tell you what Ed….

I will not try to persuade you to believe in my Jesus and you don't try and persuade me to believe in yours, is that fair enough?

Lets agree that you go your way and I go mine.

March 12, 2011 at 10:45 pm#239033

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Hi WJ,

No deal! what you are proposing is 'the LIE' that Francis believes in.
He believe you can agree (according to Francis) to disagree;
but that is to agree to 'a lie'! …which I cannot do!

Sorry,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 12, 2011 at 10:59 pm#239039

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Mike said:

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I apologize for the dishonesty claim. I'm pretty sure I'm aware of your intent, but I can't claim to KNOW that for sure, and so I shouldn't have implied dishonesty or lying.

Mike,

Apology accepted but where is your tile?

March 12, 2011 at 11:01 pm#239040

Worshipping Jesus

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2011,16:45)

Hi WJ,

No deal! what you are proposing is 'the LIE' that Francis believes in.
He believe you can agree (according to Francis) to disagree;
but that is to agree to 'a lie'! …which I cannot do!

Sorry,

Well do me a favour and leave me alone, for I am tired of your insults and accusations. If you keep on then it will be harrassment.

March 12, 2011 at 11:02 pm#239041

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 13 2011,09:45)

Hi WJ,

No deal! what you are proposing is 'the LIE' that Francis believes in.
He believe you can agree (according to Francis) to disagree;
but that is to agree to 'a lie'! …which I cannot do!

Sorry,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Your 50-50 view of Jesus is a snakeoil and yet you say you “cannot lie.”

March 12, 2011 at 11:08 pm#239042

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WJ said to ED J:

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Looking in that mirror again aren't you.

Do you like beating people over the head with scriptures in an attempt to accuse of wrong doing rather than admit you were wrong.

You are not getting much respect out of me Ed, and you make it less and less desirable to have dialogue with you.

Keith,

I am the only person here who gets tiled for making accusations. And Mike is the only person here who tiles me. I think it's because my accusations hit a nerve because they have substance and are well thought out.

Jack

March 12, 2011 at 11:08 pm#239043

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Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 13 2011,10:02)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 13 2011,09:45)

Hi WJ,

No deal! what you are proposing is 'the LIE' that Francis believes in.
He believe you can agree (according to Francis) to disagree;
but that is to agree to 'a lie'! …which I cannot do!

Sorry,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Your 50-50 view of Jesus is a snakeoil and yet you say you “cannot lie.”

Hi Jack,

It is important to know your “FACTS”.
You do not pay attention, do you?
I said: “I cannot AGREE to a lie”!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 12, 2011 at 11:11 pm#239044

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Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 13 2011,10:08)

WJ said to ED J:

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Looking in that mirror again aren't you.

Do you like beating people over the head with scriptures in an attempt to accuse of wrong doing rather than admit you were wrong.

You are not getting much respect out of me Ed, and you make it less and less desirable to have dialogue with you.

Keith,

Jack

Hi Jack,

Are you wanting WJ to get 'a tile'?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 12, 2011 at 11:12 pm#239045

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Mike said:

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The fact is that whether you speak out of dishonesty or ignorance, you are speaking untruthfully and inaccurately.

Mike,

I speak by the Spirit of God. Paul said that no one can confess Jesus Christ as “Lord” but by the Spirit. Does it take the Spirit to confess Jesus as “Lord” in the sense you mean He is Lord?

Jack

March 12, 2011 at 11:14 pm#239046

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WJ said to ED J:

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Looking in that mirror again aren't you.

Do you like beating people over the head with scriptures in an attempt to accuse of wrong doing rather than admit you were wrong.

You are not getting much respect out of me Ed, and you make it less and less desirable to have dialogue with you.

Keith,

Jack

Hi Jack,

Are you wanting WJ to get 'a tile'?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I wwas referring to YOUR accusations. But no I don't want anyone to get a tile because of the nature of the beast.

March 12, 2011 at 11:21 pm#239048

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WJ said to ED J:

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Looking in that mirror again aren't you.

Do you like beating people over the head with scriptures in an attempt to accuse of wrong doing rather than admit you were wrong.

You are not getting much respect out of me Ed, and you make it less and less desirable to have dialogue with you.

Keith,

Jack

Hi Jack,

Are you wanting WJ to get 'a tile'?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I wwas referring to YOUR accusations. But no I don't want anyone to get a tile because of the nature of the beast.

Hi Jack,

What 'accusation' are you referring to?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 13, 2011 at 1:23 am#239057

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2011,14:53)

Hi Mike,

Yes Ed,

A simple yes or no WILL DO. These are the games I get tired of people playing on HN.

Let me give you an example of this:

Ed, can John 20:28, taken by itself, mean that Jesus is God Almighty?

You see, most people will hem and haw and jump all over the place trying to do anything to avoid answering the question HONESTLY and DIRECTLY. But the answer is “YES”. If we took ONLY that scripture into consideration, it very well COULD mean that Jesus was God Almighty Himself.

You must put your own personal beliefs and preferrences aside and just be HONEST. I already KNOW that you don't even think Jesus was the Word, so therefore you don't understand 1:1c to be talking about “a god”. And that's fine……….UNTIL it causes you to play games instead of answering a simple question honestly.

The honest answer is “Mike, knowing that we add the indefinite article into 8432 scriptures to make them understandable to us in English, and knowing that there's no special Greek wording, circumstance, or rule of Greek grammar that would prohibit a translator from adding the indefinite article in 1:1c, then YES, it IS possible.

Now after that HONEST acknowledgement which isn't playing diversion games, you could begin your speech about how, even though it IS possible, it is improbable or whatever.

This is how an HONEST discussion goes. Honesty does not promote game playing and wordplay and diversions and flooding. Honesty promotes giving the honest answer to the question first and foremost…………..AND THEN explaining your answer if need be.

peace and love to you my friend,
mike

March 13, 2011 at 1:26 am#239059

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Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 12 2011,15:59)

Mike said:

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I apologize for the dishonesty claim. I'm pretty sure I'm aware of your intent, but I can't claim to KNOW that for sure, and so I shouldn't have implied dishonesty or lying.

Mike,

Apology accepted but where is your tile?

If you would have apologized one of the 6 times you did it and I called you on it, you wouldn't have that third tile either.

Come to think of it, if you would have apologized months ago, you wouldn't even have the second one.

mike

March 13, 2011 at 1:31 am#239061