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That the law condemns and we pray forever and ask for forgiveness? If so, how do we know your interpretation is not a misinterpretation? Do you have special revelation or something?
What is this repeated ‘condemnation’ my friend? I think you are struck at Paul’s idea of treating the Torah as obsolete. Yes asking forgiveness is a continuous process even as per Christianity.
As for myths being weaved into the NT that are not present in the OT. What is the first myth that comes to mind?
The so called preexistence of the Messiah and making him divine or god. What else you need?
The same thing applies to any one here as they are sticking to their age old myths which are not based on the Hebrew Bible. I too can quote the same logics for you too my friend
so i’m going to go out on a limb here, spirit logic is very far and few in-between with the Hebrew, it’s way on the ritual side, rules side, eye for an eye side.
so mr god man i’ll bite, give some of the spirit logic quotes my friend unless you go kabbala then no reason to go any further.
Your comparison of two different concepts (Newton and Einstein) is no where related to what I am questioning here on the concepts Messiah. Yes you are also entitled to close your eyes to such deviations.
And just like that you disregard the possibility of one deriving from another with scripture / revelation yet accept it with science.
Sorry, but cherry picking isn’t very scientific or logical. It is simply emotion based. Emotions are very unreliable. Back to the drawing board gadam.
Where is it written in the OT that it is the complete revelation and nothing can be added to it or built on top of it?
I will wait…..
I request Proclaimer and Princess to share some thing on the topic ‘Evolution of Satan’.
Why?
I request that you and say gene talk about the evolution of the platypus.
Why not.
Why?
I request that you and say gene talk about the evolution of the platypus.
Why not.
Ha ha …Gene is not in my group. In fact he is a hardcore Christian who always hate and blame Jewish people for the death of Jesus. I only requested you too stick to the topic as we both had deviated much from the topic which is being watched by Princess too..
In that case, the evolution of Satan is done for me. I haven’t learned anything from this topic.
I knew the following before this discussion took place.
- Satan is the adversary of God. A chief being or the chief being who opposes God;
- satan is adversary. Can be applied to anybody who thwarts the purposes of God. Jesus once rebuked Peter with this word.
This hasn’t changed. I still hold this view.
And there was war in HEAVEN:
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon;
and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in HEAVEN.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out,
that old serpent (see Genesis 3)
(Satan used a medium to deceive Eve: a serpent)
, called the Devil, and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him.
I knew the following before this discussion took place.
Satan is the adversary of God. A chief being or the chief being who opposes God;
satan is adversary. Can be applied to anybody who thwarts the purposes of God. Jesus once rebuked Peter with this word.
This hasn’t changed. I still hold this view.Hi Proclaimer, thanks for sharing on the topic Satan. But I can not agree with you on Satan as a ‘chief being who opposes God’ as claimed by you. In the Hebrew Bible, śaṭan was never used as a proper name and served merely as a term to identify an adversary. In the Hebrew Bible there was no Satan with a capital S, and in early Hebrew traditions, there was no devil, demons, or Hell. Evil and suffering in the world instead had another source; God himself. The Book of Isaiah 45:7 reads
“I form light, and create darkness, I make weal and create woe: I the Lord do all these things”
According to the Hebrew Bible God alone controlled all events and was responsible for all conditions within creation, both good and evil.
Christianity’s Satan is fallen angel. As the enemy of God himself, ruler of Hell, and source of all evil and suffering in this world, Satan has served as the inspiration behind some of humanity’s greatest fears. His power is so great that in the Gospels of the New Testament, he is able to offer Jesus the world itself in return for devotion and loyalty. But how could a lowly angel, fallen from the grace of God, have become a demon capable of terrorizing all of creation? Even more importantly, how can the arch rival of God in Christianity not have played a major role in Judaism?
For more details on this topic you can go through my earlier posts on this thread.
Gadam
You are telling huge lies about God. Satan is THE FIRST WHO SINNED AGAINST GOD AND HE IS THE FATHER OF LIE. NT Say the truth about Satan, You not.
Godman, if you wanna break out The Demiurge. Then go for it. Amazed that you think your the intelligent here.
that is easily shut down by placing T8 & myself together in the same sentence.
It is quite simple that either side will not agree on much. It’s what religion does best. Separate.
no it’s my god that is true, no it’s mine!
best trick in the book!so godman, your not shy about wiping out nations, smashing children’s head against the stone?
Hi Proclaimer, thanks for sharing on the topic Satan. But I can not agree with you on Satan as a ‘chief being who opposes God’ as claimed by you. In the Hebrew Bible, śaṭan was never used as a proper name and served merely as a term to identify an adversary.
Its quite simple and logical when you think about it. There are many satans. But there will always be the first. The Satan.
Same with God. There are many gods. But there will be the prime God.
Unless of course you think gods and satans spontaneoulsy appeared at the same time.
Similarly, Adam and Eve are adam, but the first is called Adam or the Adam.
This is settled. Please move on.
And Satan in the OT and NT doesn’t look like he has evolved much to me. Seems the same.
lol
you know t8 sometimes you astonish me.
Your god changed things up with his son. Satan however seems the same to you. is that irony or an oxymoron, i cant decide.
lol
you know t8 sometimes you astonish me.
Your god changed things up with his son. Satan however seems the same to you. is that irony or an oxymoron, i cant decide.
Lol Princess….the Christianity made satan a devil and god of this world who is the Chief opponent of God.
Satan is the adversary of the KINGDOM OF GOD SIMPLY.
HIS TIME IS SOON OVER, THAT IS WHY HE PUT THE PACKAGE WITH HIS FALSE PROPHETS, SPIRITISM AND OF COURSE HIS JESUITS WITH THE VATICAN AND EVERYBODY DISCUSSED.
REVELATION 12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.And the dragon was wroth with the woman (THE CHURCH) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Berean……That takes place after Satan is released from his place of holding, the bottomless pit, he knows he has but a short time to live, 3 1/ 2 years left , then he will be cast into the lake of fire and go into perdition .
That all takes place at the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saint’s, that reign , is just about to begin. There will be peace on this earth until the thousand years are just about over.
peace and love to you and yours ……….gene
Gene
NO
SATAN WILL BE BOUND AFTER THE RETURN OF JESUS BECAUSE
THE EARTH WILL BE EMPTY OF ITS INHABITANTS. ( REVELATION 19)AND THEREFORE SATAN WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SEDUCE THE NATIONS.THE MILLENNIUM WILL BE IN HEAVEN FOR THE SAINTS OF THE VERY HIGH (JUDGMENT OF THE Wicked)
AFTER THE THOUSAND YEARS, SATAN WILL MAKE A LAST FAKE ATTEMPT TO SEDUCE NATIONS. BUT IN THE FINAL HE WILL BE DESTROYED WITH HIS SUPPORTS (REV.20: 7,8,9)
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TO BE CONTINUED IF GOD WANT….
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