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If you could know for sure that the Son always existed in a living state of being, eternally in the past and was NOT created to exist at some point, how would it change your view of Him and how you honor Him?
I would still honor him as the Son, Servant, Prophet, Priest, Sacrificial Lamb, Spokesman, and Anointed One OF our one and only MOST HIGH God, Jehovah.
So exactly the same way I honor him now. How long he has lived wouldn't change one of those things listed above.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,09:12) I would still honor him as the Son, Servant, Prophet, Priest, Sacrificial Lamb, Spokesman, and Anointed One OF our one and only MOST HIGH God, Jehovah. So exactly the same way I honor him now. How long he has lived wouldn't change one of those things listed above.
MikeB.Dont close your eyes because you will not see:
Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four
***and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb***,
having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
FELL DOWN TO WORSHIP THE LAMB.
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, **Thou art worthy** to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and **we shall reign on the earth**.
WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH; FUTURE.
Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice,
***Worthy is the Lamb***
that was slain to receive power, and riches, and *wisdom*, and *strength*, and *honour*, and *glory*, and *blessing*.Revelation 5:13 And **every creature** which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be
***unto him that sitteth upon the throne***,
***and unto the Lamb*** for ever and ever.EQUAL WORSHIP AND HONOUR,AND GLORY AND POWER,
TO BOTH.(GOD AND THE LAMB).**Except you and asso.dont worship him with glory and power.
But just with honour.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 25 2013,17:12) I would still honor him as the Son, Servant, Prophet, Priest, Sacrificial Lamb, Spokesman, and Anointed One OF our one and only MOST HIGH God, Jehovah. So exactly the same way I honor him now. How long he has lived wouldn't change one of those things listed above.
Let the reader make note that Mike would honor the created creature as high as one who always existed.Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,09:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 25 2013,17:12) I would still honor him as the Son, Servant, Prophet, Priest, Sacrificial Lamb, Spokesman, and Anointed One OF our one and only MOST HIGH God, Jehovah. So exactly the same way I honor him now. How long he has lived wouldn't change one of those things listed above.
Let the reader make note that Mike would honor the created creature as high as one who always existed.
Wakeup,
I did not intend it the way you read into it. Here it is rewritten for your clarification:Let the reader make note that Mike would honor the created creature as high as a being who always existed.
Yes,
Mike would honor the Servant OF God Almighty the same way whether he was born in 2000 BCE, 1885 AD, or somehow “existed” from eternity inside of the God who begot him.
He would still deserve the honor of a great SERVANT of God – not the honor of the God he serves.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 26 2013,04:45) MikeB. Dont close your eyes because you will not see:
FELL DOWN TO WORSHIP THE LAMB.
Wakeup,I've told you this before, but here goes again:
There is not one scripture in the whole of the Bible that says anyone ever has, or ever will, “worship” Jesus Christ.
But if you insist on the KJV's flawed translation of “worship” – let's just nip it in the bud:
1 Chronicles 29:20 King James Version
And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king.Wakeup, is King David on the same level as God Almighty, since the KJV said the people worshipped God AND him? YES or NO?
I'll assume your answer will be “NO” – although it's hard to tell with you these days. And if your answer is “NO”, then go and apply that same logic and reasoning to those Revelation verses you quoted.
And remember not to close your eyes to this valuable information I'm sharing with you – or you will not see.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2013,08:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 26 2013,04:45) MikeB. Dont close your eyes because you will not see:
FELL DOWN TO WORSHIP THE LAMB.
Wakeup,I've told you this before, but here goes again:
There is not one scripture in the whole of the Bible that says anyone ever has, or ever will, “worship” Jesus Christ.
But if you insist on the KJV's flawed translation of “worship” – let's just nip it in the bud:
1 Chronicles 29:20 King James Version
And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king.Wakeup, is King David on the same level as God Almighty, since the KJV said the people worshipped God AND him? YES or NO?
I'll assume your answer will be “NO” – although it's hard to tell with you these days. And if your answer is “NO”, then go and apply that same logic and reasoning to those Revelation verses you quoted.
And remember not to close your eyes to this valuable information I'm sharing with you – or you will not see.
Mike B.Here is my answer to Kerwin,which has the same question.
Kerwin.
As I have said before.
You need to understand what you are reading.1 Chronicles 29:20 And David said to all the congregation, **Now bless the LORD your God**. And all the congregation blessed the **LORD God of their fathers**, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king.
As you can see; king David and all the congregation **worshipped God**.
And the congregation bowed down to their king and God.
But David has passed on all the glory to his God.
They worshipped David as their king,and worshipped God as their God.Sample:
Acts 12:22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
Acts 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,16:18) Yes, Mike would honor the Servant OF God Almighty the same way whether he was born in 2000 BCE, 1885 AD, or somehow “existed” from eternity inside of the God who begot him.
He would still deserve the honor of a great SERVANT of God – not the honor of the God he serves.
Mike,
Do you honor the Son as much as you honor Gabriel who serves God? If you give the Son more honor, why?Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2013,03:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,16:18) Yes, Mike would honor the Servant OF God Almighty the same way whether he was born in 2000 BCE, 1885 AD, or somehow “existed” from eternity inside of the God who begot him.
He would still deserve the honor of a great SERVANT of God – not the honor of the God he serves.
Mike,
Do you honor the Son as much as you honor Gabriel who serves God? If you give the Son more honor, why?
Kathyyou really like to cut the pieces smaller and smaller ,but you seem not to understand anything;
if the angel Gabriel would come and see you tell me how would you know it is him
if Jesus the son of God would come and see you how would you know it is him
before you can honor someone you have to know them
and not only talk about them ,what you do.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 25 2013,17:12) I would still honor him as the Son, Servant, Prophet, Priest, Sacrificial Lamb, Spokesman, and Anointed One OF our one and only MOST HIGH God, Jehovah. So exactly the same way I honor him now. How long he has lived wouldn't change one of those things listed above.
Let the reader make note that Mike would honor the created creature as high as one who always existed.
LU,What do you think king means! Godlike?
Hi Kathi:
And so, how are you going to prove that he always existed as a sentient being? If you have the scriptures that show this, please disclose them.
Hi Kathi:
And so, how are you going to prove that he always existed as a sentient being? If you have the scriptures that show this, please disclose them.
This is what Jesus stated relative to honouring him, and so, if this is what he said, it would not change how we honour him either way, would it?
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Jhn 5:18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Jhn 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Jhn 5:20
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Jhn 5:21
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Jhn 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jhn 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2013,15:14) Mike,
Do you honor the Son as much as you honor Gabriel who serves God? If you give the Son more honor, why?
I give MORE honor to Jesus than to Gabriel. They are both spirit servants of God who have helped human beings on many occasions, but Jesus is higher-ranking than Gabriel, and Jesus has done much MORE for us than Gabriel.Similarly, Jehovah is higher-ranked than His servant Jesus, and is ultimately the one who SENT Jesus as a sacrificial lamb so we can be saved. That, along with many other things, means that our Father Jehovah had done more for us than His servant Jesus Christ, who has done more for us than God's servant Gabriel.
I imagine the ranks go something like this:
1. Jehovah God, Father and Creator of all.
2. His firstborn Son and servant, Jesus Christ.
3. The creatures who are in the presence of God day in and day out.
4. The archangels.
5. Other angels.
6. Prophets and Apostles.
7. The elect.
8. True disciples who follow God's laws.I'm not claiming I KNOW these things, but give this as an example so you can see that I hold Jesus VERY HIGH on the list – but not as high as his God who sent him for our salvation.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,07:55) LU, Was Jesus' body preconceived?
No.
So are you speaking of preconception of the soul?
Kerwin.The Word of God is a *living* Word,WITH WISDOM.
It's a *HE*. A spirit *HE* IS NOT FLESH.
*HE* CREATED ALL THINGS.
*HE* WAS *MADE* FLESH.Isaiah 9:6 For unto us *a child is born*, unto us a son is given: and the government *shall be* upon his shoulder: and his name *shall be* called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,
***The everlasting Father***, ***The Prince of Peace***.THE EVERLASTING FATHER WAS NOT PRECONCEIVED.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,07:03) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,07:55) LU, Was Jesus' body preconceived?
No.
So are you speaking of preconception of the soul?
Kerwin.The Word of God is a *living* Word,WITH WISDOM.
It's a *HE*. A spirit *HE* IS NOT FLESH.
*HE* CREATED ALL THINGS.
*HE* WAS *MADE* FLESH.Isaiah 9:6 For unto us *a child is born*, unto us a son is given: and the government *shall be* upon his shoulder: and his name *shall be* called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,
***The everlasting Father***, ***The Prince of Peace***.THE EVERLASTING FATHER WAS NOT PRECONCEIVED.
wakeup.
this is a confused way to understand the scriptures due to paraphrase verses into little segments to satisfy the need of someone doctrine ,lost in the dark
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2013,00:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,07:03) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,07:55) LU, Was Jesus' body preconceived?
No.
So are you speaking of preconception of the soul?
Kerwin.The Word of God is a *living* Word,WITH WISDOM.
It's a *HE*. A spirit *HE* IS NOT FLESH.
*HE* CREATED ALL THINGS.
*HE* WAS *MADE* FLESH.Isaiah 9:6 For unto us *a child is born*, unto us a son is given: and the government *shall be* upon his shoulder: and his name *shall be* called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,
***The everlasting Father***, ***The Prince of Peace***.THE EVERLASTING FATHER WAS NOT PRECONCEIVED.
wakeup.
this is a confused way to understand the scriptures due to paraphrase verses into little segments to satisfy the need of someone doctrine ,lost in the dark
T.I SEE —–SAID THE BLIND MAN.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2013,15:55) LU, Was Jesus' body preconceived?
No.
So are you speaking of preconception of the soul?
Kerwin,
I didn't say anything was pre-conceived. I used the term 'pre-begotten.'According to a fleshly example, a baby in the womb would be pre-begotten. Begotten is used in the sense of the act of bringing forth from within.
Understand?
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