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Jesus taught the “gospel of the kingdom” to Israel only. Salvation was by “obedience” to the law.
Paul taught the “gospel of Grace” Salvation is by “Grace”, the Grace of God.
They were not the same gospel, Paul “completed” the word of God”.
Believe the scriptures, they will profit you greatly. Cast the “same eternal gospel for all”, into the firey furnace where it belongs, it's non-scriptual and false teaching.
Blessings.
Blessings.
Nick………..How do you know if Chosenone is serving Christ and lifting High his words or not, Why make such statements to a brother, he may hold Jesus words much higher than you do. Nick its one thing to disagree with brothers and quite another to put into question there words as relating to there relationship with Jesus, you are in no position to do that. IMO
said in love…………..gene
GB,
CO cannot hear those words so how can CO learn from them and show them respect?
CO knows those words are for us but somehow prefers Paul's teachings to the saved.Nick…..What CO said as to Jesus being not sent to the Gentiles but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel is true Scripture backs that up. We should acknowledge that point because it is scripturally backed up. Jesus even told a women that the children's meat was not for the Dogs, (meaning gentiles), Jesus was indeed commissioned To Israel, and Paul was commissioned to the Gentiles. Jesus told the Jews that they gave tithes of mint and cummim but leave out the weightier matter of the (LAW) and went on to say this should (YOU) the Jews who are also Israelites should have done and not left the other undone, (tithing). Gentiles are not told to tithe at all .
You see that is not for everyone but was for the Isrealites only, they were under the law, not the Gentiles. We are not told we need to tithe at all but Jesus said they were. Even the first Apostles were told by Jesus to not go to the Gentiles but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus' word rings true no matter who hears them but some were directed at different people. What CO was talking about was Jesus' commission. Truth is Truth no matter who speaks it, Jesus, the Apostles or you or me or anyone else. Even God the Father Himself. Pauls teachings are as valid as Jesus' they are not in conflect with eachother. IMO
We should all try to get along brother……..gene
Gb,
There are many things specific to the Israelites that Jesus said as he answered their questions about the OT law but God sent witnesses who recorded his words for all men to learn from.Nick……I do agree we can all learn from Jesus's words, but i think CO was refferencing who Jesus was sent to specifically in His statements that all.
love to you and yours…………………gene
True GB,
But CO thinks we should not listen to the Master because of where he went.
This is even though CO says all scripture is for us.
How bizarre!But CO believes what He (Jesus) says in scripture, NH believes his own false teaching, “the one eternal gospel for all” a non-biblical heretical gospel, made by man.
How bizarre!CO,
Jesus said 'follow me'
If we cannot listen to his words even if they are for us whom should we follow?Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 28 2008,11:37) Jesus taught while under the law, explaining to the Jews the intent of the law, not to the letter of the law, as the pharisees did. In this era, those chosen of God, both Jew and Gentile, are now under “Grace”, not under the law. So how can His (Jesus) words be relevent for us today?
His (Jesus) words in Matt.15:24 make sense, and should be acknowledged.
Hi CO:This is what the Apostle Paul states:
Quote Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, , at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 [Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Quote Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Under the law the people of the Nation of Israel offered offered animal sacrifices when they sinned, and once per year on the day of atonement the high priest went before God in the Holy of holies in the temple on earth with blood for his own sins and for the sins of the Nation of Israel. This was done year after year because the blood of animals did not was away the sins, and there was remembrance of the same sins plus the new ones year after year.
Under grace, the blood of Jesus washes away our sins when we repent, and there is no more rembrance of those sins. Therein lies the difference. Neither the Jew nor us have been saved by obedience to the Works of the Law both Jew and gentile were saved by “faith” so that our salvation may be by grace (Neither the Jew nor gentile earned our salvation through perfect obedience to God's Eternal Law)
God Bless
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,09:08) Hi 94,
The older son inherited the kingdom.[Lk16]
Hi Nick:Jacob is the older son. He did strive with God and man and God changed his name to Israel.
Quote Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.Hi 942767.
Good post, the one thing I disagree with is your statement “Under grace, the blood of Jesus washes away our sins 'when we repent,'” We have been “justified” by His death and resurrection, God sees our sin no more, we don't need to “repent”. This is like saying Jesus sacifice was not complete.Acts5:31 31 This Inaugurator and Saviour, God exalts to His right hand, to give repentance to Israel and the pardon of sins.
2Cor.7:9 9 Now I am rejoicing, not that you were made sorry, but that you were made sorry to repentance. For you were made sorry according to God, that in nothing you may suffer forfeit by us.
2Tim.2:25 25 with meekness training those who are antagonizing, seeing whether God may be giving them repentance to come into a realization of the truth,
Ro.8:30 30 Now whom He designates beforehand, these He calls also, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies also.
“All is of God”, Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 01 2008,11:57) Hi 942767.
Good post, the one thing I disagree with is your statement “Under grace, the blood of Jesus washes away our sins 'when we repent,'” We have been “justified” by His death and resurrection, God sees our sin no more, we don't need to “repent”. This is like saying Jesus sacifice was not complete.Acts5:31 31 This Inaugurator and Saviour, God exalts to His right hand, to give repentance to Israel and the pardon of sins.
2Cor.7:9 9 Now I am rejoicing, not that you were made sorry, but that you were made sorry to repentance. For you were made sorry according to God, that in nothing you may suffer forfeit by us.
2Tim.2:25 25 with meekness training those who are antagonizing, seeing whether God may be giving them repentance to come into a realization of the truth,
Ro.8:30 30 Now whom He designates beforehand, these He calls also, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies also.
“All is of God”, Blessings.
Hi COIf you haven't repented, then you are not saved.
Quote Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Quote 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Jesus paid the penalty that was against all of humanity for having violated God's eternal law, and that sacrifice was a perfect sacrifice, and does not have to be offered again as the sacrifices of the OT, but to say that you can come to God through him without repenting is simply not true.
You are quoting from the Acts of the Apostles, and in the 2nd chapter there are some Jews who after they had taken part in the crucifixion of Jesus believed and asked the Apostle Peter what they should do, and he answer in verse 38.
Quote Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.
God Bless
Hi 942767.
In Ro.2:4 that you quote, Notice “it is God who leads you to repentance”. This is not of you, it is God working in you. You don't earn your justification by your own will.
The scriptures in 2Pe. and Acts2. Are to Israel, before the gospel of “grace” is taken to the Nations.Blessings.
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