Elohim; has two essences – male and female

[terraricca]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,10:53)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 28 2010,11:13) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,09:44) Elohim (God) (Source) consists of two essences: 1- “YHWH” (member of) Elohim 2- “Spirit” (member of) Elohim Spirit Elohim consists of 7 Spirits. Since “Spirit” Elohim is a member of Elohim (God), that would technically make Elohim the “owner” of the 7 Spirits as well since Spirit is Elohim's.   I just point out the intricacies to whom the 7 Spirits fall “under” (Spirit)….without avoiding the “essence”. It is true that Elohim is the source of all and therefore could attribute both actions of YHWH and Spirit to Elohim and would always be correct. In math the idea is this: YHWH and Spirit are subsets of Elohim; therefore any subset of YHWH is still a part of Elohim and any subset of Spirit is still a part of Elohim, so you can never go wrong by attributing anything to Elohim….would you? Unless you try to make Elohim a subset of YHWH or Spirit…then it is an incorrect equation. The Professor DBF the seven spirits are before the throne of Christ;To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Pierre Thanks Pierre, That is what I keep saying. There are 3 distinct and separate persons in Rev 1:4-5 Grace to you and peace, from: Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.   1-Him who is and who was and who is to come, 2-the seven Spirits who are before His throne 3-Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Thank God that they didn't use the word God here which would have really confused everything…because in Greek there is no distinction.  However, without it I can identify them: 1- YHWH (one subset of who YHWH is: who is and who was and who is to come)  other elements of YHWH:  God, Father, King, Priest, Prophet 2-Spirit (one subset of Spirit = 7 Spirits; here (generic) and Is 11:2 (specific) (Spirit of YHWH, Fear of YHWH, Power, Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, Counsel) 3-Jesus (son of God) YHWH and Spirit combined = Elohim (God) The Professor

DBF

no ,not to me ,there is only one Christ Jesus.

Pierre

[davidbfun]

Pierre,

Yes, there is only one Jesus Christ, where did you see otherwise?

The Professor

[terraricca]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,16:49)

Pierre, Yes, there is only one Jesus Christ, where did you see otherwise? The Professor

DBF

i was talking in REV1;4 it is all Christ Jesus.

Pierre

[davidbfun]

Pierre,

Here is Rev 1:4-5 in French:

4 Jean aux sept Églises qui sont en Asie: que la grâce et la paix vous soient données “de la part de” celui qui est, qui était, et qui vient, et “de la part des” sept esprits qui sont devant son trône,
5 et “de la part de” Jésus Christ, le témoin fidèle, le premier-né des morts, et le prince des rois de la terre!

Which part shows it is from Jesus? If I could highlight it I would….it is in v5.

Hope that clarifies it for you.

[terraricca]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 29 2010,07:23)

Pierre, Here is Rev 1:4-5 in French: 4 Jean aux sept Églises qui sont en Asie: que la grâce et la paix vous soient données “de la part de” celui qui est, qui était, et qui vient, et “de la part des” sept esprits qui sont devant son trône, 5 et “de la part de” Jésus Christ, le témoin fidèle, le premier-né des morts, et le prince des rois de la terre! Which part shows it is from Jesus?  If I could highlight it I would….it is in v5. Hope that clarifies it for you.

DBF

look ;Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
Rev 1:2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
Rev 1:6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
Rev 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds,

Rev 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive

Rev 3:1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars

Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God

if you take the time to read it slowly I do hope you understand.why I have said what I have said.

Pierre

[davidbfun]

Pierre,

I can understand why you believe it is Jesus….but that isn't what these verses are saying that you omitted from the midst…..

I  guess the French didn't help either?

It is a letter and the greeting is going to the 7 churches FROM 3 “entities”

Rev 1:4-5 ¶ John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace,
FROM him which is, and which was, and which is to come;
AND FROM the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
AND FROM Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.

[terraricca]

DBF

explain me this part;and which was;;

just remember everything in revelation is said for men from Christ and for Christ purpose.

Pierre

[davidbfun]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2010,22:28)

DBF explain me this part;and which was;; just remember everything in revelation is said for men from Christ and for Christ purpose. Pierre

Hi Pierre,

I'll try.

Rev 1:4 FROM Him who is and who was and who is to come, and FROM the seven Spirits

This is “one” phrase (who is and who was and who is to come)referring to one person and is separated by the word FROM before Him and the word FROM referring to the person after Him.

[terraricca]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,18:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2010,22:28) DBF explain me this part;and which was;; just remember everything in revelation is said for men from Christ and for Christ purpose. Pierre Hi Pierre, I'll try.   Rev 1:4 FROM Him who is and who was and who is to come, and FROM the seven Spirits This is “one” phrase (who is and who was and who is to come)referring to one person and is separated by the word FROM before Him and the word FROM referring to the person after Him.

DBF

what you say to me does not make sense to me ,and i do not feel like going further with this ,but read what i give you again and all of revelation were it talks about God it say so.

this to me is a close subject.

Pierre

[davidbfun]

Elohim is translated as God in Gen 1:1
Spirit Elohim in Gen 1:2 is feminine, and is a part of Elohim.
YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 is masculine, and is a part of Elohim.

YHWH (Elohim) is God, the Father.
Spirit Elohim, being feminine cannot be the Father.

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 03 2010,12:22)

Elohim is translated as God in Gen 1:1 Spirit Elohim in Gen 1:2 is feminine, and is a part of Elohim. YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 is masculine, and is a part of Elohim. YHWH (Elohim) is God, the Father. Spirit Elohim, being feminine cannot be the Father.

Hi David,

EL-Shaddia means: “the breasted one” and is translated into English as “God Almighty”;
but “God The Father”(HolySpirit)'s Name is YHVH! (Click Here)

Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty,
but by my name JEHOVAH(YHVH=63) was I not known to them.

       Ex.6:3 is the first God's Name (YHVH=63) appears in singular form!

The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63; “YHVH is GOD”.
YHVH is God's Name (יהוה) translated into English; as the Hebrew lacks vowels.

GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however. Some basic
linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts. These include a lack
of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels and the basic direction
in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left). Hebrew word spacing is a modern
advent that distinguishes one word from the next, aiding both translators and multi-linguists
alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds are a concern because, correct pronunciations of
Hebrew words are at risk. This point is made because the correct pronunciation was thought
to be lost, which led only to translators’ interpretations.

GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet
lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.

      [יהוה] GOD’s Name   [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey     is pronounced  YÄ-hä-vā  &  [יה] YÄ

      The identity of יהוה=26 is “GOD”=26 spoken as YÄ-hä-vā: where ä sounds like
      that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds like the vowel in the word “hay”.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Ed,

You know the truth but keep posting otherwise.

Look up Gen 1:2 as I've asked for two months and you will see that Spirit is feminine and cannot be a Father.

I am surprised that the people here don't say anything about the blatant disregard of the Scripture.

Ruwach Elohim Gen 1:2 shows up before YHWH Elohim Gen 2:4 and is a separate person….and a part of Elohim.

You don't know who created the heavens and the earth either as it is in Gen 1:1 and it says Elohim created them. But since Ruwach Elohim (Spirit) is part of Elohim and YHWH Elohim is part of Elohim you could say any one of the three created but “technically” Gen 1:1 says Elohim.

But then again, everything was created thru Jesus.

You have also posted that the Holy Spirit is Jesus, the son (Word). Can't make up your mind? Spirit being feminine cannot be either the Father or the son.

Kerwin posted the truth and you read it and continue to try to deceive the people.

If you are honest, look up Gen 1:2 and post the parts of speech and gender; that way everyone can see that you KNOW the difference.

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 04 2010,09:02)

Ed,   You have also posted that the Holy Spirit is Jesus, the son (Word).  Can't make up your mind?

Hi DBF,

huh; I never said that, are 'you' becoming confused now?

Are you denying that “EL-Shaddia”=63 is referenced as YHVH=63?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[JustAskin]

Dbf,
You so hung up that you hung down…

Father…and show me Scripture that says 'Mother'.

Where did mother come from for mankind?

Was it not because Eve was taken out of Adam?

If Adam had taken one of the animals as companion as God had asked him then would there have been a need for Eve.

The answer is' No'. Eve came about because Adam found no animal to be a life companion.

Eve was formed from the 'Rib' of Adam. Now, here is a call for Wisdom…what is 'Rib', what is 'Adam's Rib'?

What is in Woman that is not in Man?
What is different, all things different, between Man and Woman?

Those are the things God took out of Adam and put into Eve. That is 'the Rib': The nature, the characteristics, the parts…all were in the original Adam, and all are in God as Man is his image.

So, without Eve, there is no 'Mother'. No need for 'Mother'.

So what of Male/Female, that you still hung up on all these months and that you wonder why no one goes along with you as I told you from the start?

We…we…give attributes to objects. We…call things masculine and feminine. The Greeks used human nature and fashioned a world of Gods, thus Greek heaven has both Male and Female 'gods', so also other religions.

Scriptures never once alludes to Masculine and Feminine characterd in heaven. All Angels are Male…..only for the sake of saying they are not female, not because Male means anything in heaven. Male and female only make sense to human beings because we are split apart by Adams Rib. If we are joined back together what needs is therefore for labels as the two are one whole: John (the man), joan (the woman), smith (the both of them…the one person/unit neither a male nor a female yet both male and female in one without separation, singularly then, the 'man' called Smith, the unit, the one called 'Smith')

Dbf, please drop this nonesense.

[davidbfun]

Hello JA,

I see that you think knowing God is nonsense.

The thread is short and simple and maybe someone will actually address it and disprove what the Scriptures say:

Elohim is translated as God in Gen 1:1 In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.

Elohim was talking and said, “Let US create Man in our image….” and He did:

Gen 1:27 Elohim created man in His own image, in the image of Elohim He created him; male and female He created them.  

Since we are created in God's image can ANYONE tell me what the male and female parts of Elohim are?

It seems that everyone detests what is written about a part of Elohim being female.  There doesn't seem to lack any problem for one part being male, though.

The two separate parts of Elohim are shown in Gen 1:2 Spirit Elohim and Gen 2:4 YHWH Elohim.

JA, since you think this is nonsense, why did God Himself tell us about Himself being male and female?  

Isn't this thread about “disproving” the information if you don't agree.  To me, this is the “time and place” for this subject.

[Baker]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 28 2010,07:47)

Hey Arnold (Irene or Georg?) Did you look at the other information about God?  This is the most important. Elohim is one God with two essences, male and female. This is the FOUNDATION of God.

You mean like you? You have a picture of a man, but you say you're a blond.

[Baker]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,05:24)

Hello JA, I see that you think knowing God is nonsense. The thread is short and simple and maybe someone will actually address it and disprove what the Scriptures say: Elohim is translated as God in Gen 1:1 In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Elohim was talking and said, “Let US create Man in our image….” and He did: Gen 1:27 Elohim created man in His own image, in the image of Elohim He created him; male and female He created them.   Since we are created in God's image can ANYONE tell me what the male and female parts of Elohim are? It seems that everyone detests what is written about a part of Elohim being female.  There doesn't seem to lack any problem for one part being male, though. The two separate parts of Elohim are shown in Gen 1:2 Spirit Elohim and Gen 2:4 YHWH Elohim. JA, since you think this is nonsense, why did God Himself tell us about Himself being male and female?   Isn't this thread about “disproving” the information if you don't agree.  To me, this is the “time and place” for this subject.

God said “let us”, meaning, the Father and the Son.

God created man from the dust, then he took a rib from the man and made a help meet (Gen. 2:18) which Adam called “woman”, (from man, v. 21-23).

Yes, I detest what you write about God being male and female. Is, what the Bible teaches you not good enough?
The Bible also says, “thou shalt not add or take away”.
God creates from nothing, he doesn't need a male or female body to do that.

You call yourself “the professor”, what is it that you profess?

Georg

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg……….How do you know if what it means is the Father YHWH and His Seven Spirits which compose One GOD. That go out and does all of GOD bidding through out the Whole earth. What makes you so sure it means Jesus , that is an assumption on your and All Preexistences and Trinitarians Part. IMO

peace and love to you and Irene……………………gene

[davidbfun]

Hello Georg,

I profess the truths of the Bible.

You rant on and on yet you have not rebutted either Gen 1:2 or Gen 2:4 meaning Spirit Elohim and YHWH Elohim with any Scriptures.

You don't even know “WHAT” the Spirit of God is….male or female and call learning about God blaspemous.

Name calling doesn't further learning, does it?

I've asserted some facts from the Bible:

Elohim = God and created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:1
Spirit Elohim is feminine and is part of Elohim. Gen 1:2
YHWH Elohim is masculine and is the other part of Elohim. Gen 2:4

You get angry at me because you can't disprove what I say because it is from the Bible. All you can add are OPINIONS or digress to another topic and try to change the subject or quote from somewhere else in the Bible to distract….common tactics here.

I've seen hundreds of “word” debates at hn coveing “firstborn” “preeminent” “begotten” but when I ask the people to do a simple word research for the word “Spirit” in Gen 1:2 no one knows how to. Why? Because once you find out that Spirit = noun, feminine there isn't anything to “argue” about.

What is funny is that after the people look it up and KNOW that Spirit is feminine they won't post what they found out, rather they refute that feminine doesn't mean feminine and give examples of why it doesn't.

And Gen 1:27 male and female doesn't mean male and female. So, what the people are saying is that God is lying because God is the one who said that He would create Man in His image, male and female.

bfun is my outlook on life. I love being blonde as blondes have more “fun”.

[davidbfun]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 07 2010,07:54)

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,05:24) Hello JA, I see that you think knowing God is nonsense. The thread is short and simple and maybe someone will actually address it and disprove what the Scriptures say: Elohim is translated as God in Gen 1:1 In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Elohim was talking and said, “Let US create Man in our image….” and He did: Gen 1:27 Elohim created man in His own image, in the image of Elohim He created him; male and female He created them.   Since we are created in God's image can ANYONE tell me what the male and female parts of Elohim are? It seems that everyone detests what is written about a part of Elohim being female.  There doesn't seem to lack any problem for one part being male, though. The two separate parts of Elohim are shown in Gen 1:2 Spirit Elohim and Gen 2:4 YHWH Elohim. JA, since you think this is nonsense, why did God Himself tell us about Himself being male and female?   Isn't this thread about “disproving” the information if you don't agree.  To me, this is the “time and place” for this subject. God said “let us”, meaning, the Father and the Son. God created man from the dust, then he took a rib from the man and made a help meet (Gen. 2:18) which Adam called “woman”, (from man, v. 21-23). Yes, I detest what you write about God being male and female. Is, what the Bible teaches you not good enough? The Bible also says, “thou shalt not add or take away”. God creates from nothing, he doesn't need a male or female body to do that. You call yourself “the professor”, what is it that you profess? Georg

Georg,

What you say is funny.

Let me “agree” with you for a second and say that the two talking was the Father and the Son.

Which one of them is “Female”?

Actually you are the one detracting from the Bible by denying the Spirit being female. YHWH is my obvious choice for being the male essence of Elohim.

But the quote you are mentioning applied to Revelation….

Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

Georg, I state the Bible verse and paste and copy so that the people don't have to look it up. However, since I usually use the NASB people go and see what I quoted to their specific liking KJV or others.

What I do write is from the Bible and I am sorry that YOU and OTHERS detest what is written….especially about God being male and female. I think this is what women would call being a male chauvanistic….

You take what is written, detest and deny that it was even written, why?

Elohim in the make-up of the word shows that God is feminine and masculine (plural). Gen 1:27 confirms that this observation of Elohim is true.

Gen 1:2 shows that Spirit is feminine. ALL from the Bible.

I think that ye doth protest too loudly.

YOU: The Bible also says, “thou shalt not add or take away”.

What, then, if YOU are the one taking “away” from what is written in the Bible???

Yes, the Bible is good enough for me! How about for YOU?

Yes, throughout Gen 1 Elohim created simply by SAYING. He doesn't need anything I agree. However, He gave us the Bible to give us information about Him and what He has done.

And magically and for no reason at all, God gave us specific information directly from His mouth about Himself…..Elohim is male and female.

How about using the Bible to refute what you detest? With the Bible I can then see the “truth” and change what I write….with opinions they are only that, opinions unfounded.

Georg, I “try” to respond as honestly as possible and with Scripture and stay on topic. Many times in your posts you like to jump around and not finish one topic. Here is your chance to finish one theme.

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